yeah i see where you are coming from but get this this is optional if you want to see movies but if they make games for it then everyone has to get it and it will piss some people off about having to soend more money for it. So in a way i understand why they are doing that it' s just to make the movies in HD just like the games already are suposed to be (not the current ones seeing how they only use a portion of the power and are rushed, also Perfect dark zero even skipped going gold they just put it out which was a big gamble)

Ah, I see. Now that' s punishment for rushing the 360. If they would have waited and released at the same time as PS3 or Rev they probably would have gotten the HD-drive in the package. But they probably knew they wouldn' t stand a chance against PS3

yeah honestly i think you are right the Rev and the PS3 would have probably crushed the 360 in Japan. In the US and EU it might have a chance but i read they rushed it to give them some lee-way (how ever you spell that).

...leeway..

...if 360 games only use ordinary DVD' s and PS3 games will be using the mega capacity Blue-Ray, what does that say about the detail going into 360 games verses PS3 games?

...does this mean that PS3 is going to be more powerful than 360 by quite a large margin? ...if they are similarly specd, why are all 360 games on ordinary DVD??

..... or will MS just prefer to relese the odd game on multiple DVD' s.... cheaper perhaps?.....

You' re forgetting about compression here guys. Compression technology gets better every year. Take Nintendo for example. I' m absolutely blown away that they can fit amazing looking games that rival Xbox games graphically - and their Mini discs max out at around 1GB.

You can bet that Microsoft (and Nintendo for the Rev) have excellent strategies to fit large amounts of data onto a dual layer DVD. Personally I still think that it' s a year or so too early for next generation disc formats so I don' t disagree with Microsoft' s or Nintendo' s decisions. Not only are they saving us a lot of money (and the inevitable bugs and glitches that come with new tech), they are also probably able to fit close to a single layer HD-DVD worth of data on a dual layer DVD using compression techniques.

As I' ve said before, I doubt Blu-Ray will ever find its feet in the consumer market. Toshiba' s HD-DVD requires very little modification to existing equipment and in the long run it will be cheaper for manufacturers and the end user. Hence the number of major movie production companies supporting HD-DVD is much greater than Blu-Ray' s.

HD-DVD has also gotten a lot more support from publishing execs for movies, simply because of the name. The Disk cannot hold as much as Blu-Ray (which can go to 4 layers equaling 100GB) but is cheaper and more versatile in that its a stem from current technology.

Consumers like the HD prefix as it conveys the improvement over DVD where as Blu-Ray, well it sounds like some space age science fiction energy which doesn' t really appeal to anyone. I have a strong feeling that Blu-Ray will end up with the same proprietary fate as Sony' s " we' re the only ones using these so nyerr" other products. (Mini-Disc, BetaMax, Sony Memory Stick, etc)

either you pay abit extra for a hd dvd/blu ray or you gonna have to swap disc in some rare games...

yeah i was thinking that right now DVD' s are really cheap and it all depends on their compression utility plus they can leave out some stuff and just download them like a service pack on the 360 or something. I read and knwo that Nintendo has one of the best compression utilities around look hat they can fit on the DS cards and the GC minidisk like RE4. Plus i read that some companies might pull suport for the PS3 because it is very complex and expensive to create games which doesn' t allow small companies to make them. Like Nintendo is independant friendly the games are easy and cheap to make (brain training for example). THe PS3 cell architechture and their supposed graphical power which is supposed to be similar to 2 sli-ed 7800' s and programming on blu ray i read is difficult which might deter people away.

i am just amazed $1800 for what? is it made out of gold? How is the Blu-Ray player that much more powerful if the HD-DVD movie is pretty much the same damn thing like same resolution what more can they possible add to fill the space. and HD-DVD already has the name recognition most people who are not tech savy have no clue what Blu-ray is and what it means but they know what HD-DVD is and means, plus being only $400-500 compared to $1800 i don' t see how Sony will win despite being on the PS3 and how expensive will that be not only being a Blu-ray player but also a super computer with a expensive cell chip and a $1000 graphics chip(s). Even is they do sell it for $500 which right now seems like a big bargin compared to $1800 if it is released along side the Rev (approx $150-200) who do you think the masses and non-hardcore gamers will choose especially if the Rev will play the new Zelda and every other GC game people wanna play but just never got a GC and right now Nostalgia is popular (with all those old compilation games) being able to download 20 years of fun old games. Also by then the X360 will have it' s big games like HOPEFULLY the mistwalker games wil be awesome and i hope. Also the infamous Halo 3 and gears of war and the new game Black (i think it is by the makers of Burnout series which is getting big buzz).

I can' t see the PS3 being the must have thing and the clear winner like everyone thinks (outside of the sony fanboys, no matter what you say to them it already is).

Blue Ray is better than HD-DVD in that it can hold more, but HD-DVD holds enough for a movie so it isn' t really a big deal.
HD-DVD is a lot cheaper than Blue Ray.
Looks like more movies are coming out on HD-DVD than Blue Ray.
Eventually I' ll end up getting a drive for my computer.

Looks to me like HD-DVD will win. Sony didn' t learn their lesson with betamax. I really like having better technology but sometimes it isn' t worth the price. I' ll probably end up getting an HD-DVD drive.

yeah i feel the same way but here is a cliche for you.

Size does not matter it' s how you use it

but exactly what you said most powerful does not really matter to most, cheaper is what drives people to buy it look at the gameboy the old black and white one went up against nice looking beautiful colored handhelds like the Gamegear, the lynx, and the turbo express which i loved it played every game from the console itself and it looked better then the actual TVs and had a TV tuner but the GB mangled it because the turbo express was more expensive.

Its not made of gold,nor was the cd' s who costed 30 dollar each....
Its all about mass producing,and only a few ex out today.
Its like saying a ferrari is worth its many millions...wait untill massproducing starts happends,and when sony really care about selling their product,and you will get a normal product cost.
I dare you to remember 1800 dollar and see how long that price last...

ORIGINAL: Bishonen

....not only is HD-DVD cheaper, it will also play in your current Mac/PC... ...useful when you consider that almost everyone uses a ' High Definition' LCD screen as standard....

100% FALSE! HD-DVD is based on a completely different laser technology (blue-violet lasers, as opposed to red lasers). No standard (red laser) dvd drive will be able to read HD-DVDs. The pits are too small for the laser to pick up.

As far as what everybody else is spouting out in this thread, I don' t know where you guys get your information. You people must have crystal balls or something, because I don' t recall ANY information being given as to the prices on the PS3 or the Revolution. The speculation that has been thrown around in this thread as if it were actual fact is just appalling (as well as the grammer and punctuation, but I digress).

Back on topic. HD-DVD is perfect for movies. You can fit a full length high def movie on one. What else do you need? Don' t get me wrong; I LOVE the bestest of the best as far as technology is concerned, but Blu-Ray for movies is overkill (unless you' re talking about LOTR. I don' t think a four hour HD movie would fit on an HD-DVD, but I could be wrong.) As for video games on these " super discs" , I don' t think it' s THAT necessary. I know a couple of people will disagree with me here (and BOY, will they!), but I' ve been really impressed thus far with the games for the 360. Will there be a need for higher capacity in the future? Definitely. Will the need occur before the NEXT next generation? I guess only time will tell.

" As far as what everybody else is spouting out in this thread, I don' t know where you guys get your information. You people must have crystal balls or something, because I don' t recall ANY information being given as to the prices on the PS3 or the Revolution. The speculation that has been thrown around in this thread as if it were actual fact is just appalling (as well as the grammer and punctuation, but I digress)." - Chee Saw



Most of the pricing information comes from respected industry analysts, who base their assumptions on the technology included and how much it would have to sell for in order to be profitable.

Sony are still saying spring, but they have PS3 on display in a case at CES, with the controller awol and ' conceptual design' printed next to the console. So they don' t have a final controller (which is a good thing because the thing at E3 was terrible), they are still looking at the console design, Blu-Ray drives cost loads and they have yet to release pricing info for the console other than saying it' ll be " ..expensive.." .

While nothing has been confrimed, i expect a price similar to the original Playstation launch price in the UK of around £400 (708.196 USD).

ORIGINAL: Bishonen

....not only is HD-DVD cheaper, it will also play in your current Mac/PC... ...useful when you consider that almost everyone uses a ' High Definition' LCD screen as standard....


Chee Saw
100% FALSE! HD-DVD is based on a completely different laser technology (blue-violet lasers, as opposed to red lasers). No standard (red laser) dvd drive will be able to read HD-DVDs. The pits are too small for the laser to pick up.

...forgive me Mr. Saw...

...i should of known that you PC girls would be incapable of matching a Graphics, Video and Style powerhouse that is Apple...



...that' s the DVD Player on my stunningly awesome 2Ghz Dual PowerMac G5... .....I' m currently considering getting " Island Girls 3" to see just how good HD is...

....10 points if anyone can guess what film i had running in the background...

ORIGINAL: Bishonen

ORIGINAL: Bishonen

....not only is HD-DVD cheaper, it will also play in your current Mac/PC... ...useful when you consider that almost everyone uses a ' High Definition' LCD screen as standard....


Chee Saw
100% FALSE! HD-DVD is based on a completely different laser technology (blue-violet lasers, as opposed to red lasers). No standard (red laser) dvd drive will be able to read HD-DVDs. The pits are too small for the laser to pick up.

...forgive me Mr. Saw...

...i should of known that you PC girls would be incapable of matching a Graphics, Video and Style powerhouse that is Apple...



...that' s the DVD Player on my stunningly awesome 2Ghz Dual PowerMac G5... .....I' m currently considering getting " Island Girls 3" to see just how good HD is...

....10 points if anyone can guess what film i had running in the background...

Final Fantasy; The Spirits Within!!!

to majik good job
I didn' t even notice it until you mentioned it.

to chee saw we are just speculating what the price is by reading what other sites are saying.

Hey bishonen what is island girls 3? sounds like a porn

And will blue ray not play plain dvds ?
And is there no way for it to support HD-DVD discs.
just asking

I don' t think people will want to spend the money on the either disc if they can get it on plain dvds at least at first
Dvds took a while to get mainstream

the price is a key point

not sure about all Blu-Ray players playing normal DVDs but i read that Samsung will release a multi-format player which will play normal DVDs, HD-DVDs, and Blu-ray. I am worried about the price but Samsung is a smart company they know it won' t sell if it' s too high like one Shown at CES for $1800 so we will have to wait and see. I was told at work that the HD-DVD players should arrive at work in the next couple weeks (i work at Best Buy).

Didn' t some guy at Nintendo recently said officially that the Rev price would be below 299$ or something?

Majikdra6on Final Fantasy; The Spirits Within!!!

....7 points, ' cause i just realised you could see a bit of the logo!..

Phoenixxx1974 Hey bishonen what is island girls 3?

Oohhh baby!

...just don' t tell your mom....

hehe i was right it is porn in high def haha.