Actually while i don' t support piracy at all, i have to understand the position that Abasoufiane is in. If importing games is that expensive and they' re not available where he lives like they are elsewhere, then he isn' t doing anything wrong.

Piracy is a tricky issue, and some people just seriously take the piss! But if you have no option then you have no option, i mean why should he miss out?!

Then can I as well say that since games costs more in my country compared to others thanks to our insanely high taxes, I have the right to download the games? That doesn' t make any sense. Then anyone in every country except the one with the lowest prices would have " the right" to piracy.
Hell, did I say I was rich? I' m even closer to poor than I am to average but I still manage to do things right. If you can' t afford something then you can' t. It doesn' t justify using methods that are against the law.
Stealing food, I understand, it' s necessary for your survival. But video games are fucking not. Video games is luxury. I don' t go steal cars and justify it by saying " but I can' t afford them because they cost so much in my country" . I just have to live without them. Sure, it' s not as easy as having a car, but that' s life.

No, not at all. That' s not what he' s getting at. He' s talking about accessability.

I don' t know where you live, but the UK' s RRP' s are extortionate and the same applies to Australia (is that 1 L?). Games in the US are much cheaper, but i still, like you manage to ' do things right' ...

But, the guy lives in Morocco, and doesn' t have the same kind of access to games that we do. If companies don' t open enough stores for prices to be competative and therefore games more affordable, then why shouldn' t he?!

Are you THAT narrow minded?

Not everywhere is like London or New York. Some people don' t have the options we do. While piracy is a bad thing for the games industry, the effect is has is caused more by people who DO have access to games but choose to forgo that instead choosing to buy copied games/software.

If he can' t find it in his own country, import it. If he can' t afford it, then he will have to save the money. If it takes to much time or if there are other products he wishes to buy, then prioritate. If this means he will not get everything he wants, well guess what, welcome to reality. Most of us never gets half of the things we want. Once again, Videogames aren' t necessary for your survival. Be happy if you can actually afford/have access to one at all. I know I am anyway.

Well thankyou for sharing YOUR point of view.

You are welcome.
Here' s a little tip:
If you can' t afford a new game, sell your old finished ones. That' s what I do if I can' t afford one I really want.

No, i understand what you' re saying. I agree. But what i don' t agree with is that he should have to go to additional lengths and pay more to experience the same things as we do. Making people pay more just because they don' t have the same kind of access to games as others is just stupid.

It' s not his fault that the games are priced well above the recommended retail price.

Well, whatever. Even though I' m very much against piracy I don' t take it that seriously. I don' t want to see our dear friend Abasoufiane in jail or something.
Btw, I really do think it' s too bad that he doesn' t have the same chances as us to experience these things. But I don' t know if piracy will help in the long run. If more people in his country would actually buy games instead of downloading games, the stores there would see that there is a demand and they would try to sell more games. That would increase competitivity and prices would drop which in turn would increase the gaming population creating bigger demand and the prices would drop even further. But maybe not, I don' t live there, maybe things work differently?

ginjirou try always always always to be realistic

say you don' t own a car , but oneday someone came and say hey i' ll give you any car you want for free any car however you know the car you will choose has not been stolen from the manufacturer but rather copied almost eaxctly as the original, very tempting right ??? heck you' ll be a fool if you don' t get that mercedes SLK whatever. you know that if you don' t get it somebody will anyway plus you cannot buy the ferrari at its original price anyway , THERE IS NO WAY, so what would you do??? buy it or you' ll tell him copying is bad and you' ll go away...
look even to your clothes,do you own at least a copy of wellknown brand?? take it off then , throw it burn it , and say that to all people in this world.


if you don' t go steal a car

first ) because you moral doesnn' t allow you this
2) you know that if you steal, you directly stole from somebody ownning the car, thus you are harming the person.
3) you don' t have the gut to steal anyway (i hope so)
4) when you play copy games, you don' t steal but you play a copy, technicaly it' s not stealing.
5) your ps2 or console is not even moded so you don' t have this choice, and if you try to mod it then it' ll be a lot more complicated than in my case, because for me, i can take my ps2 and bring it downtown and fix it while evrything is legal.


(that' s god of war or final fantasy 12 costing for me 2 dollar or free comparing to 80$) , that car doesn' t belong to anyone, sure the manufacturer made it but you didn' t steal it from them and you could not buy their cars anyway...

just to sum up, i don' t have a choice and i' m not going to pay 90$ for a single game... do not forget , this is another country , 90$ for me is like 150$ for you because THE COST OF LIVING HERE IS LOWER and so the INCOMES

majikdragon for the first time you blew my mind

well thanks for understanding " my case"

Well, whatever. Even though I' m very much against piracy I don' t take it that seriously. I don' t want to see our dear friend Abasoufiane in jail or something.

the whole third world should be in jail loool

I understand where you' re coming from. Ha, we don' t have to agree on everything, but i agrre with you on this!

No hard feelings dude!

Maybe this brought something good. You two united
My example with the car was to show the illogic of the right to steal if you have no money. But I see now that comparing it with piracy is somewhat difficult.
Stealing doesn' t necessary mean taking property from someone. If you download a game the company that publishes that game looses money. The more people who download games, the more money they will loose. Regardless of weither you physically steal the money or if you take it from them by simply never handing them the money, it' s still like stealing. And when companies have less money they cannot create big budget games or expand and so forth. Also, if one starts to download games the next will think " hell if he doesn' t pay then why should I?" . It all ends with the company leaving the industry. Maybe a little far fetched but I' m trying to explain my point of view here.
Btw, when you buy a game, you don' t pay for the disc, you pay for the information written on that disc. So since you download that same content without paying, I would consider it the same as stealing an object.
But OK, I' ll have no further objections if you download games since it does seem a little problematic to buy them.

one more little argument ginjirou,

following your initial thought then borowing from a friend or renting a game is not allowed at all, isn' t that what sony tries to do with their newest technology? anyone remember ?? they say they " might" implement it in ps3 although that would mean " sony dead" ... silly of course.

i thank god for piracy because without it i can' t be the gamer i am today. see ginjirou it' s good to buy original games and if i have the choice i sure will, you can afford them more than i can although you can' t afford all good games, my point is, buy the games taht you can afford and play pirated games that you would " rent " or " borrow from a friend" only...


that would be fair in my opinion, and eeeevrybody is happy + only developers that release crap games that won' t survive , isn' t it the case today ????

i have a huge library of ps2 , xboxand pc games, i' ll pick a game, snowblind, suppose i am in united state, that agme i will not buy anyway anyhow although i can afford it of course why wouldn' t i? because at the same time there are other fps that are 100 times better.... still he got some 8/10 reviews and i want to have a look at it, but paying 60 bucks to have a look at a game is not good for my wallet, so i' ll download it and try it , while keeping my money for other important games (AA and AAA titles if i' m average) , and if i' m poor i' ll keep the money only for AAA, and if i' m in morocco i' ll download evrything

i hate companies like sony when they say ps2 has sold in europe X numbers. taht' s not europe that' s PAL territories because we import ps2 from europe and same for other PAL territories.

I wonder how much the PS3 will sell for in Morocco, if it does go for $500 in the US. What would that mean for you? Would you still buy it, even though copied games won' t be around for ages?

If Ps3 is 500$ then that would be ok for me altough not favorable.
Now or later my younger brother would get itif he can.
I have never bought a Sony console before,
would have but my bro or friend gets it
And I get the other stuff and play each other' s console.

Hopefully Sony will take a big risk (lol) and release it at the same price as the 360.

I will definately buy a Revolution simply because it will be low priced like the Dreamcast and, IMO, like the DC, be more than worth it.

I buy systems for a few games that I like not alot which couldn' t and wouldn' t buy.

I really will not pay more than $49.99 for any game. Which I see as the biggest problem in the next generation bar the Rev.

If the PS3 games cost more than the 360 that is a huge problem for me.
You buy games more than once.
I can be happy with the Rev
plus I still got my older systems.

for first, the primium pack xbox360 cost now 650$!!!
that' s right and if pirates find out how to make a chip , the price will go even higher !! that was teh case with psone, ps2, xbox and DC. ps2 cost now 220$ here, it' s cool i think because it' s moded... do you know that in morcco if you want to buy a ps2 or xbox , they will give it a moded console for your price, because they know that when you ask for a ps2, you imply that it' s moded as well... same for all other consoles (recently gamecube!!!)

about ps3, i think i' ll buy this console even if the games are expensive, i think i' ll manage it just like i did the old days, buying a very good game then another friend buy another one and we just exchange games between us, i' ll buy MGS4 while He buys Resident evil 5 and another one will buy euuuh i don' t know... that' s the oold way, specialy in the n64 era , man i had to buy zelda ocarina of time for 90$!!

so although i looove this futur tech but it worries me so much, specialy ps3 with the blueray, even if they manage to mod the ps3, the games will be hard to copy because the blueray RW or whatever will be scare and expensive in the first upcomong years, but if blueray go mainstream like dvd' s right now that' s something else i hope so...

if xbox360 will eb the first to get moded which is likely to be, (they are really close right now), then i' ll go with microsoft , glad they used regular DVD' s.

If you think Shenmue was technically more advanced than GTA3 I beg you to reconsider. In design and looks, Shenmue appeared to be visually´better but GTA has a lot more things going on in large areas without major slowdowns.

You' re wrong - those fantastic graphics and outstanding story that GTA can' t even come close to are not the only thing Shen was.

Random MAgic Weather system , Day & Night and time overall implemented into story - great fighting engine , training your moves , QTE , Arcade games , Mini Games like work at harbour (I loved it) and soundtrack.

GTA' s trademark is grass popping up in front of you while you experience slowdown :)

my point was, outrun isn' t a major racing game to compare it to GT4 or forza

Well I didn' t if you read carefully you' d see that I mentioned it among other racers proving that X has much more of them.Outrun 2 is as arcade as it gets.You' re telling me it' s not a racing game?

nintendo didn' t lie of course but they fooled us

Nintendo fooled you? I think you fooled yourself with your lack of knowledge - yours and those from that magazine.

from england , the probability of him having a moded xbox, ps2, psone, PC games, and play DC copies is very low..

I' m from Poland and most of you have no idea where that is , and I could' ve easily experience all that piracy you brag about.
I should' ve asked you that long ago - HOW OLD ARE YOU ?

Shenmue story consists of 6 chapters - chapter 1 is the first game , chapter 3,4,5 (I think) are Shenmue 2.Chapter 2 is what happened on the ship to HongKong and it never saw any release.

I heard Yu Suzuki talking about how he' d like to make the rest of the story a CG movie (like Advent children for instance) , then tehere' s kikizo interview with some insider that is unnoficial but very interesting - it says that All Shenmue games are going to be released on one of the next gen systems.And it is still undecided which.

He called revo a toy , X360 a PC and PS3 a supercomputer.He clearly believes PS3 to be the strongest system.

Funny how the 3 of us are the only ones who deal with that problem and how guys from US can' t even imagine this.That' s how Europe sux.Those bastards wouldn' t have believed even after seeing this:)

For instance do some of you realize that in eastern Europe middle class people cannot afford a PS2 while anyone who has any job in US can just go and buy it after saving for say a week or two?
Cool huh?
:)

N64 games price was the main reason (after I got the Saturn) that I didn' t even attempt to get it and the only game I wanted was Zelda.