If you like I' ll get a count on them if ya want

Might take some time but I could do it if you really want it.

When did gamers become so narrow minded?

What annoys me are people saying the Wii is not for the ' hardcore' - like you' re some sort of lesser gamer if you enjoy the Wii or something?. I' ve owned all sorts of systems over the years and consider myself a passionate gamer. Right now I' m playing more Wii than 360 and I' m not inclined to buy a PS3 as of yet.

The Wii offers something new. If you' re like me and have been playing games for so long that you' re starting to feel a bit jaded then the Wii is a godsend. Sure, the graphics don' t stack up against the 360 or PS3 but I can live with them because I' m getting gameplay that is not available on the other consoles and I' m getting gameplay that isn' t just recycled from the previous 2 gens with the only real difference being enhanced visuals. I' ve got a stack of 360 games that I' ve barely touched because the feeling of ' been there, done that' comes over pretty quickly once you' ve gotten over the souped up visuals.

Wii will open up gaming to new markets - kinda like the PS1 did when it first came out. The PS1 was the first system that the term ' casual gamer' was invented for by the way and I find it kinda ironic that this generation of gamers that were brought on board with the PS1 now consider themselves to be ' the hardcore' and are trying to stamp their own rules on things like they are the gaurdians of gaming or something.

People were wrong back then when they knocked the PS1 - they were being over protective of their beloved hobby and I see the exact same thing happening again now with the Wii.

Control methods have always evolved and they always will. I' ve long held the belief that the interaction between the player and the game has been far too robotic and limited - analogue controls were a step forward but the wii controls challenge the boundaries again.

I like a game with stunning graphics as much as the next man but better control is just as worthy. Ideally I' d like to have both, but hey, it' s all progress.

*sigh*...So wii is a great console because it has a new controller? The fact that it' s not capable of the same quality as the PS3 or 360 doesn' t matter? The fact that it has no games at all doesn' t matter? When I buy a console, I don' t want a promiss that it will have some good games, I want to see the games first. You like to talk about Metroid. How will that game be different from the ones on GameCube, besides the controller?

Honestly, the Wii has no quality titles except for Zelda right now but 360 didn' t have shit a while ago either. Titles are coming, just like they did for the 360.
If you demand HD graphics then the Wii is obviously not for you. But if you enjoy the gameplay the it offers then it' s undoubtedly a good console.
Many people seem to like the possibilities offered by the Wii-mote so if the games finally come then everything will be fine.
If you don' t like the controller and think it' s just a gimmick or something then fine. But I don' t think the Wii sells millions because people like gimmicks.

It' s not just about the graphics.

Another thing, why even bring up Zelda TP? You don' t need a Wii to play TP, the same game is on GC.

When Metroid Prime 3 is released you anti-Wiiners will shut up!

I could care less about metroid prime games, i would rather play the old metroid games any day.

Don' t really like shooters. Metroid is the only game that I ever enjoyed playing. The Wii remote is actually perfect for shooters and increases the fun level of playing it.

That' s what will be better than the GC ones.

And last time I checked games were about having fun and good gameplay and not how well it looks and what technical nifty stunts they pull to make it work. All that matters is that it works and works well.

I' ll play my good old Sonic the hedgehog on my Wii any day before I even think of touching Halo, Gears of War and anything like that. Why?? Simple it' s just fun to play.

And that' s why the Wii is doing better than the ps3 and 360. It brings fun back to games. Once they get the hang of doing stuff with the wii-mote a lot of good games will be coming out.

Wii related topic give me a fucking headache.

Nintendo has held back supplies so that they slightly overshoot their predicted earnings for the quarter. Now that the new fiscal year has started we' ll see more consoles on shelves.

We can' t tell whether the demand far outweighs supply because the supply has been carefully managed to look like they couldn' t make them fast enough.

As a sidenote, 360 had a kickass christmas DESPITE Microsoft drastically reducing their monthly manufacturing output so as to let stores deplete the stock they have ahead of the new Elite SKU and 65nm models.

PS2 didn' t start selling well until 18 months after it' s release when they dropped the price. It' ll be the same for PS3 and to a lesser extent 360.

But what really matters is getting games into sales charts and selling >1M copies in a 3 month period, ...something every big 360 game has done. Until Wii has 3rd party (or non-first party Nintendo developed) games that sell millions, publishers still won' t look at it as a serious contender and it' ll keep receiving PS2 ports because they' re quick and cheap to develop.

EA are not important anymore.

RE: the Wii hate? i' m not understanding this atall?? Hate on the 3rd developers yes, not Nintendo.

And that' s why the Wii is doing better than the ps3 and 360. It brings fun back to games. Once they get the hang of doing stuff with the wii-mote a lot of good games will be coming out.

Agreed.

I found my Wii Purchase a really good one. I own Wii Sports, Excite truck, Wario Ware, TTP and soon looking forward to Paper Mario (GC port or not, it looks like one of the most fun, original games ive ever seen)

Wii' s a great Lil console and ive had plenty enjoyment out of it so far. The virtual console alone, is turing into one serious game' s collection.

Like the DS it' s a Great Console with fresh, original concepts. it' s owning Japan and being ' a force to be rekkoned with' overseas.

Well Done Nintendo for ' doing your own thing and making it work' , i have soo much more respect for Nintendo now.

I can' t see how people are enjoying the Wii RIGHT NOW though. I mean, what games are you enjoying exactly?
Virtual Console? Meh, emulation on PC' s have been around forever.

How is Excite Truck?

I haven' t been able to play it much at all, but i heard it gets repetitive.

But then i heard that from the same person who told me MotorStorm got boring very quickly because of the lack of modes, ...something i' ve never understood because it has more in common with the SSX games than other racing games and nobody slates SSX for it' s limited modes...

looking forward to Paper Mario (GC port or not, it looks like one of the most fun, original games ive ever seen)

I dunno. I really liked the first two, but this one seems totally different from them and im not sure if i like that. I dont like the butterfly thing that changes the camera angles to where you can get past certain things, it just seems odd. It appears like the only companion you get is the butterfly thing, unlike the other games where you get a character such as a koopa or a goomba that have special abilities.

Personally I am not sold on the Wii.

Firstly, and I have made this clear before, I' m not much of a Nintendo game fan. Well made, AAA or not I just don' t enjoy them for whatever reason.
TP was pretty good but way too long, i got board and gave it up, never liked mario games, though mario kart was always fun.... anyway yuo get the idea, i hope.

For me the Wii, like the DS is unexplainable. I don' t really get it.

The DS most games that use the stylus would not lose anything from it' s exclusion, much like the second screen. Very gimmicky and often makes the game worse than conventional controls IMO.
Some example of ' good' games that use the Stylus like... warioware? I thought are drastically over priced for what is a basic set of minigames. It' s not the kind of experience i' m looking for, especially for the money they ask.


As for the Wii, and more on topic

There is a severe lack of games on the platform. I have not seen a single game that makes me want to play it. I have done the motion control on motorstorm, and while decent doesn' t change things much, just attracts casual/non gamers.
When i first heard of the wii I thought there was some potential, but now I fail to see any. They just become samey like on a standard controller, and there is nothing revolutionary about it.

Visually nothing has impressed me yet. And I really believe the machine over-priced in a £ to Feature sense. I consider it like nintendo said, they are not competing with sony/MS anymore. Like they gave up to do something they they could make money out of, a toy, more than a video game system.

I just wonder when all the fuss will wear off this....

**Just to add I am sure I' ll start getting flammed as a fanboy for X console by people who love the Wii, but thought i' d add my thoughts to this discussion. But do you think if nintendo win they will ever compete hardware wise again or their next system will be ps3/360 power levels?**

I' m a huuuuuge Nintendo fan but I' m still not buying one.
I' ll stick with me ol' Gamecube a while longer.

I can' t see how people are enjoying the Wii RIGHT NOW though. I mean, what games are you enjoying exactly?
Virtual Console? Meh, emulation on PC' s have been around forever.

Me and the missus are just coming to the end of Twilight Princess having spent close to 60 hours with it so far (that' s the most time I' ve spent on a single game in years). It' s going to be one of those games that I' ll be sad to finish and it' s the first game that I' ve managed to get the missus really interested in since OOT on the N64.

Bought Godfather a couple of days ago so that' s waiting in the wings for when the TP saga is finally over. I' ve only played a few hours on it - the graphics are poor (they actually look worse than any GC game I' ve played) but the use of the dual motion control is inspired in places and the quality voice acting makes for an engaging story. The missus hates all the violence so this is gonna be one just for me.

The rest of my Wii games - Wario, Wii Sports and Wii Play really only come into play when we' ve got friends around for beers and laughs. It comes into it' s own here for me ' cos the girlies can enjoy playing it too. No more of the ladies whinging about the boys playing PES6

As for the Virtual Console, well it doesn' t appeal to me either personally. So far it' s all home consoles that I already own along with a lot of the games. I feel a bit cheated having to pay for them all over again just for the convenience of getting them all on one system. I much prefer XBLA which has a good mix of new games and proper Arcade conversions.

I always saw the potential lie in the fact that it would be cheap to buy and cheap to develop for since there was none of this HD malarky and architecture that everyone was familiar with. Then the motion sensing would come into its own with games that had all their development money and time on gameplay.

But that...hasnt quite happened. The machine isnt cheap for what it is, and there just arent enough 3rd party games yet with interesting takes on the whole thing. So not getting one yet.

Well it may not have the games but the Wii is still selling extremely well

The problem Nintendo has is the fashion of waving a stick around could become just that; a fad. If some additional top-rate games don' t follow up on the success of TP and such then next xmas when lined up against both 360 and ps3 it is going to look really dated, and when the pressie buyers look at it, they are not going to choose a wii for their little darlings.

Personally I am not sold on the Wii.

When it first came out i was spending atleast 2 hours of my day calling stores that sold them. Now im very happy that i didnt buy one. I couldnt wait to play TP, a new mario, Super Paper Mario, and SSBB. But TP was nothing but a gamecube game with a wiimote, the new mario game isnt coming out anytime soon just like SSBB, and iv completely lost interest in the new paper mario because they changed so much crap in it

But TP was nothing but a gamecube game with a wiimote

TP may still only be a Gamecube title but it is sill an amazing game, one of the finest games I have played in a long time.