My point is that the overall theme and feel of Dragon Ball and Naruto is very child like.

Sorry if not very good at explaining what I mean to say.

I also don' t intend to insult you or Dragon Ball or Naruto.

I' m, just saying that it IS a childrens show, and very obviously so.

Everything is written so that children will go " Whoa!" or *Sniff or " Yeah, kick his ass!" or " Gelp!" or wathever.

I also hate the censor of the West and think that it' s just ruining the shows.

That is all!

ORIGINAL: ginjirou
South park has lots of profanity but it' s more than that. If you watch South Park because of the profanity then you' re an idiot. I guess young people watch it because of that, but adults with higher standards are not.

No it' s not more than than that, south park = profanity + innapropriate subjects. That' s it.

Are you implying south park would be as funny without profanity or inappropriateness?

If you are, you' re a complete fucking idiot.

Clearly Naruto with its violence can' t be aimed for children,with an censur yes,but without? no.

Alot of stand up comedians wouldn' t be 1/10th as funny if they didn' t use profanity and offensive subjects, it doesn' t mean they suck, it' s just that the profanity and offensiveness is what makes them fun to listen to, you take that away and there' s no point.

No it' s not more than than that, south park = profanity + innapropriate subjects. That' s it.

Are you implying south park would be as funny without profanity or inappropriateness?

But they skillfully mix the profanity with sarcasm, politics, criticism and situations from everyday life and uses the shock of the profanity to make us laugh. That' s what makes adults interested.

Dragon Ball has none of the above mentioned qualities. It' s just plain profanity (if even that) mixed with violence. It has NO VALUE whatsoever for an adult.

Just accept it, you like a childrens show. Nothing bad with that. But don' t act like Toriyama is some kind of genius who creates quality content for all ages.

Accept it?

Um, I never said I didn' t like Dragon Ball or that I didn' t like childrens shows, retard.

I can only speak for my school but everyone talked about south park for its profanity and its cursed words,nothing like that has been shown before,and nobody could belive TV would broadcast it.

I can see you like Dragon Ball and I was getting the impression you were arguing that it' s a good series for adults. I don' t agreee and as such I presented arguments that explains why DBZ is a kids show. I want you to accept that Dragon Ball simply isn' t aimed at anything else than kids and that there are no quality content in the series that would motivate why adults would like it.

can only speak for my school but everyone talked about south park for its profanity and its cursed words,nothing like that has been shown before,and nobody could belive TV would broadcast it.

yes, young people liked it for its profanity, absolutely.
But the adults who like it can see more than just the profanity. It' s the way they' ve used the profanity in combination with other things.

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

Alot of stand up comedians wouldn' t be 1/10th as funny if they didn' t use profanity and offensive subjects, it doesn' t mean they suck, it' s just that the profanity and offensiveness is what makes them fun to listen to, you take that away and there' s no point.

No it' s not more than than that, south park = profanity + innapropriate subjects. That' s it.

Are you implying south park would be as funny without profanity or inappropriateness?

But they skillfully mix the profanity with sarcasm, politics, criticism and situations from everyday life and uses the shock of the profanity to make us laugh. That' s what makes adults interested.

Ok, and what is your point? Are you even paying attention or just mumbling stupid shit?

The point is this - if you took profanity and inappropriateness out of south park, it' s not the same show anymore. Period.

What makes you interested or not is irrelevant to what we' re talking about, we' re talking about shows that have so much taken away from them they are not even recognizable in their censored form.

" Dragon Ball Z was marketed to appeal to a wide range of viewers from all ages, and contains crude humor and occasional excesses of violence (which includes cartoon blood), which are commonly seen as inappropriate for younger audiences by American standards. When it was marketed in the US, the distribution company FUNimation alongside with Saban decided to initially focus exclusively on the young children' s market, because the anime market was still small compared to the much larger children' s cartoon market.

The show started in the US in 1996 on Cartoon Network. Beginning with the Saiyan Saga, severe restrictions were put in place for a cable program. In 1997, the show was moved to the network' s new Toonami block, but was cancelled in 1998, after completing the Namek Saga. In 1999 however, the show was brought back and FUNimation cut their partnership with Saban. From the Ginyu Saga onwards, FUNimation dubbed the show themselves with their own in-house voice actors and also cut some of their previous restrictions, such as the inclusion of blood. The series ended its US run in 2003. Altogether, the show was rated TV-Y7 for fantasy violence. The FUNimation dub became very popular and it also greatly helped expand the anime market in the US."

It' s not the same thing as with Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball had NOTHING but the violence and the profanity.
If South Park would lose the other qualities such as politics and the other things I mentioned, then the profanity would be boring and childish and no mature person above the age of 18 would ever watch it and say it' s good. Because it wouldn' t be good without the other things.

Idiot. Go to sleep, I' m tired of arguing with a kid.

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

I can see you like Dragon Ball and I was getting the impression you were arguing that it' s a good series for adults. I don' t agreee and as such I presented arguments that explains why DBZ is a kids show. I want you to accept that Dragon Ball simply isn' t aimed at anything else than kids and that there are no quality content in the series that would motivate why adults would like it.

When did I say it was for adults?

Dragon Ball is like 15 years old, obviously I watched it when I was a kid, unless you think I' m 40 years old or something.

I don' t watch any cartoons nowadays because they don' t appeal to me.

That doesn' t change the fact that even as a kid the reason I liked it was because I liked seeing people' s torsos been ripped out and I enjoyed the bad assness of the show, when translated to English the show was " pussified" if you will and I couldn' t stand watching it in English.

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

It' s not the same thing as with Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball had NOTHING but the violence and the profanity.
If South Park would lose the other qualities such as politics and the other things I mentioned, then the profanity would be boring and childish and no mature person above the age of 18 would ever watch it and say it' s good. Because it wouldn' t be good without the other things.

Idiot. Go to sleep, I' m tired of arguing with a kid.

Yes, but it' s not one thing or another.

If it lost the politics or the way it parodies things going in real life it would suck. If it lost the profanity it would also suck.

BECAUSE IT WOULDNT BE SOUTH PARK ANYMORE.

You are a fucking moron.

You can love it all you want. It doesn' t make it any good.
The thing is, I got the impression that you still today, as an adult, think it' s good.

But if not then I understand that you liked it when you were young.

It doesnt matter if you disliked it Ginjrou or Evil liked it.

It' s still one of the most popular manga/anime if not " the" ever made.

you can' t take that away from Akira.

Clearly Naruto with its violence can' t be aimed for children,with an censur yes,but without? no.

Oh, but n Japan it is. Don' t underestimate the Japanese. I also wouldn' t find anything to obscene in Naruto, to show a kid of 10 or 12. They sell Naruto toys for children in Japan, similar like they did with turtles when I was a youth. Also, Naruto is sold in the children section of DVD' s in Japan, seperated from adults anime (again Not Porn!).

There wa also a girl that I met in a pub, whom came into the subject of western and japanese comics. She said she really liked Spiderman and such, and asked if I knew of any Japanese cartoons. I told her Naruto had become quite popular in the west and then told me something I already knew, Naruto is the most popular childrens anime a.t.m.

Not Young YOUNG children, like 4 year olds, but I believe it is safe to say that Naruto is aimed at children around the age of Naruto himself, or more specifically 12 years old.


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AKIRA ROCKS!

Still didn' t like the drawing style, but AKIRA ROCKS!

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

You can love it all you want. It doesn' t make it any good.
The thing is, I got the impression that you still today, as an adult, think it' s good.

But if not then I understand that you liked it when you were young.

I still think its good in the same way I think all the stuff I watched as a kid was good.

Stuff doesn' t get bad just because you outgrow it.

When I was a kid I used to like Mario, Yoshi, Kirby, Pokemon, Donkey Kong and tons of other kiddy Nintendo shit, just because I don' t like it anymore doesn' t change the fact that those games were excellent.

Yes, but it' s not one thing or another.

If it lost the politics or the way it parodies things going in real life it would suck. If it lost the profanity it would also suck.

BECAUSE IT WOULDNT BE SOUTH PARK ANYMORE.

You are a ***ing moron.

My point isn' t " one thing or another" . My point is that Dragon Ball has nothing but profanity which by itself offers no value for adult audiences demanding some quality in their entertainment.

South Park, while it wouldn' t be the same without it' s profanity, does have some other qualities and those qualities are what makes the show good. It has a point beyond making teenage boysfelling bad words are cool.

That' s the difference. That' s why Dragon Ball Z isn' t appreciated by any sane adult.

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

Yes, but it' s not one thing or another.

If it lost the politics or the way it parodies things going in real life it would suck. If it lost the profanity it would also suck.

BECAUSE IT WOULDNT BE SOUTH PARK ANYMORE.

You are a ***ing moron.

My point isn' t " one thing or another" . My point is that Dragon Ball has nothing but profanity which by itself offers no value for adults audiences demanding some quality in their entertainment.

South Park, while it wouldn' t be the same without it' s profanity, does have some other qualities and those qualities are what makes the show good. It has a point beyond making teenage boysfelling bad words are cool.

That' s the difference. That' s why Dragon Ball Z isn' t appreciated by any sane adult.

Ok and who here is arguing that Dragon Ball is for adults?

Answer: No One.

Conclusion: You have no point.

I never said they where bad. I even said I kinda like Naruto. However I fear I cannot get as into it, or love it as much as I would' ve done, had I been half as many years as I am now... Oh, sweet age