whats the ring around snake the whole time? it annoyed me sometimes.

It' s not there all the time, it' s something to do with the camouflage system. You hold a button, the circle appears and your camouflage changes to blend in with your surroundings… taking the texture from within the radius of the circle. 10x better than the camo system on MGS3

i finaly saw the video and :

1) the graphics are very good in General but it cruely lacks of color which make it look boring, and technically, it' s not on par with cutscenes as it lacks particle effects.. we have seen as well better looking games already.


2) ANimations, this is the part that i really really wished will change but sadly they didn' t do much work about it, some subtle improvements but still looks uncanny... we' ve seen much better in that department as well.

3) some ideas are just plain stupid and break the classy metal gear, making snake spining inside a barrel to hit the enemies (strangely ) and right after snake goes throwing up is ... well stupid , i don' t like that. also , snake catching the soldier balls , WTF is that ?? and why the hell would snake' s hand go right on the statue' s dick... i' m getting sick of these japanese perverts, i don' t find this funny seriously , may be in another game, but making Snake do all these stuff make him lose its class.
the backpain is a NICE touch of humour though.

4) the AI looks marvelously dumb, but i heard they turned it down on purpose for the demo.


i will still love to play this game because even with all those disappointments , it' s metal gear after all, and i hope it' ll come to the 360.

Kojima also said in MGS2 he wanted you to get a shit in your head.
You know shen a soldier piss down from the boat,he wanted that soldier to take a dump instead.



Many things in the demonstration felt childish,liuke the barrel as you mentioned,and how some enemies cant seem to see you even though they should.

man that' s exactly the word i was looking for , some elements of MGS 4 are so childish, some others should make Gay people proud.

You and me want a more realistic game,like in that fire fight in the end,more like that.
However its hard to say you want a realistic game when you know the past of the mgs games with vampires,living hands on their own,invisble ninja and wasp boss etc.

it can be realistic even if it features vampires and what have you... you got it right ? you can live with a vampire and fantasy stuff because it' s part of the story, it' s part of that world... pulling out a barrel of nowhere, spinning inside it down the path to smash well trained soldiers like in bowling game is NOT.

I hear you man,it doesnt feel like you facing a real cool enemy when you can treat them like idiots/morons like in a cartoon movie.

exactly, it breaks the immersion, they have done much more complicated stuff, why can' t they just take some good decisions.

and right after snake goes throwing up is ... well stupid ,

Erm... you could get Snake to throw up all you wanted in MGS3. You just went into the camo viewer & spun him around. You left the menu & he ralphed.

i don' t like that. also , snake catching the soldier balls

If you' re a man, you' ve been hit in the boys before. It' s an incapacitating feeling at best. Can you suggest a better way to stun somebody in a hand to hand fight?

and why the hell would snake' s hand go right on the statue' s dick...

Because Kojima was relying on a social taboo of genitals being grodie & to cover them up to get a cheap laugh. Hell, it worked for me.

some ideas are just plain stupid and break the classy metal gear, making snake spining inside a barrel to hit the enemies

So what you' re saying is that knocking somebody over with an oil drum is far less " classy" than sneaking up behind somebody in a 3 foot high cardboard box?

Or aiming your handgun at a soldier' s nuts to get his dog tags?
Or having a soda straw and careful camera angles cover up Raiden' s naughty bits?
Or using bees as a lethal weapon?
Or using a laser mic to listen in on a soldier having diarrhea?
Or distracting your enemies with porno mags?

The series as a whole has never taken itself too seriously. There' s a subtle underlying outrageousness that makes the MGS games fun, it gives them definition as a series.

I mean, look at some of that footage that was just posted. Any normal human being would see Snake standing 3 feet off to the right of them. People have perhipheral vision, we' d notice something like that. He would have turned & shot snake twice in the chest & once in the head. End of story. But that wouldn' t be any fun. It' s far more entertaining if you sneak up to them, throw them to the ground and frisk them for items and weapons.

All of that stuff needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The game is amazing, partly so because of it' s sick & twisted sense of humor.

Seeing the trailers for mGS4 on the next-gen ps3 seein him in pain almost looking to die,and being old and tired,lots of people expect a more serious realistic title.

perhaps that was just me.

I' ll admit I did too, but I wasn' t hoping for one, I was dreading one. Think about what Metal Gear Solid would be like if they took out all the laughable bits...

You' d call it Splinter Cell.

Remember back when Sons of Liberty was announced? They didn' t show any of the goofy ridiculous stuff that was loaded into the original. It was more of a hardware showcase than a plot primer. It' s also true for the 4 trailer.

look the cardbox was funny in meteal gear solid 1, it' s something totaly new and the game was revolutionary back at the time, the cardbox was just a fun part that' s all... In metal gear 2 and 3, they left the cardbox because it belongs to the culture of metal gear, it became a classic and it remionds you the old day, i love developers when they do those kind of things, like when leaving those old tunes in many games or some outdated sound effects.

IN MGS4, the barrel thing is new to the series, it' s not even funny AT ALL, so what' s the point, just to put an idea into the gameplay, can' t he do better than this ??

and now you' re defending even the hand on ball part and worse the hand on dick , come on man !! do you see sam fisher do so? do you see leon do so? do you see dante kick his brother in the nut ?? ... i don' t know man , but for me this is not the elegant classy way.

i didn' t comment on the soldiers that didn' t notice snake on the roof, it' s not because i didn' t notice, but because i new it' s " part" of the game, part of make it fun but THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT.

This is the game that will save the PS3. If Sony loses exclusivity on it, it will be the greatest mistake of their gaming division.

As for my impressions of the game, from what I can tell it looks like MGS4 will be the first game to truely show us the difference that extra storage space for games BluRay makes. The game has huge variety in content and evironments, and lets not forget loads of high quality HD cinematics. To the extent that we' ll probably never see in a third person shooter for 360.

This ***ing game is the reason to own a PS3.

wow... this is the first black & white game I' ve seen since Atari' s " Stunt Cycle."


Actually I think this looks fantastic. I really like the humorous elements. Other games are so boring and portentous with their cheesy " dark and gritty" seriousness. I can appreciate the fact that there are still game designers who remember these things are supposed to be fun.

Hey guys, is Twin Snakes a complete port of the original? I still have to start the Metal Gear Solid series.

Hey guys, is Twin Snakes a complete port of the original? I still have to start the Metal Gear Solid series.

Yeah it is, with some additions and twists, people who played the first dislike twin snakes though. I loved it, and can clearly recommend it

ORIGINAL: Marink

Hey guys, is Twin Snakes a complete port of the original? I still have to start the Metal Gear Solid series.

Please man, no matter what you do, STAY THE FUK AWAY FROM THAT PIECE OF SHIT, play te original PS game, its much much better, if you are interested in MGS4 and you want to get into the storyline i would suggest getting the PS MGS, then MGS 2 Substance, you may not like the game but please trust me, it gets real good at the end, and skip MGS3 Snake Eater and buy MGS3 Subsistance instead, that way you get the original MG ad the super awesome MG: Solid Snake.

Please man, no matter what you do, STAY THE FUK AWAY FROM THAT PIECE OF SHIT, play te original PS game, its much much better, if you are interested in MGS4 and you want to get into the storyline i would suggest getting the PS MGS, then MGS 2 Substance, you may not like the game but please trust me, it gets real good at the end, and skip MGS3 Snake Eater and buy MGS3 Subsistance instead, that way you get the original MG ad the super awesome MG: Solid Snake

Like i said Marink, Twin Snakes is hated but people who loved the first game, but its a better start than the PS game, since its awefully dated to play now!

Id go with twin snakes, there arent any bugs, the art direction is a bit different though!

How confusing, lol (OMG! I said lol on an internet forum! That' s not like me...).

I guess I' ll go with Twin Snakes if it has a few extras. I' ve already bought Snake Eater (I kinda wish I didn' t now) a while ago with Pro Evo 4 because it was a good deal (in Woolworths), but I just haven' t played it yet because I want the others (of course). Thanks anyway.