Imagine Grand Theft Auto using an improved version of the Dead or Alive 4 graphic engine!!! Does that NOT make your mouth water??

No.

gta4 will be in europe, or maybe London to be excat, since all games before hand followed the route of the ps1 games citys, vice city, san adreas etc. London is the only one they havent done yet.

The graphics shown in Table Tennis for the 360 are easily possible on a larger GTA type scale on the 360. There will not only be minimal to zero downgrades there will also be more graphical bells and whistles than those shown in Table Tennis.

Fact is that was rockstars first 360 title it will take money more attempts to truly max out the potential on this console and after Table Tennis we can be pretty much assured that they have a better understanding of how to utilize the 360 far beyond what they did on Table Tennis.

There' s very little actually going on in Table Tennis. You only have 2 functional characters to worry about, 1 NPC' s AI, minimal animations outside of the player characters and CPU opponent, no worries about draw distance or realistic (read ' natural' ) lighting or whether effects.

The game, like FNR3 is a graphical showcase. GTAiV will NOT use the same kind of detailed character models during gameplay. Like Mass Effect, cutscenes will feature much more highly detailed characters than you' ll see walking about in the street (whatever) when you' re actually playing it. Right now, even with XNA and DX10 it' s virtually impossible to recreate that kind of detail on such a massive scale.

San Andreas was huge but suffered because of it' s size. It has framerate issues, long loading times and tons of bugs and glitches. Creating something on that kind of scale (or even Vice City) using the same kind of high quality character models used in R* TT would kill 360 and PS3 alike. The game will have to have enough NPC' s walking about and enough traffic to be a convincing city, along with AI (although basic) for them all, animation cycles, realistic physics and advanced lighting, wich is a lot for the processors to worry about before it starts calculating user inputs!

It' s more realistic to expect character models akin to Oblivion.

All we know for sure is that the graphic we seen in Table Tennis is created by their Graphic engine.

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All we know for sure is that the graphic we seen in Table Tennis is created by their Graphic engine.

I' m sorry QuezcatoL, but you confuse me!

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It' s more realistic to expect character models akin to Oblivion.

True. That' s a good thing, right? I mean, I don' t need hyper-realistic NPCs in a free-roaming environment. I like the way Oblivion does faces. It' s so refreshing to play an RPG where the NPCs don' t all look the same.

What i meant was...

What we saw in Table Tennis was all made with their new graphic engine named " RAGE" ,that they also use in GTA4.

That' s positive...right?

In some real time cutscenes or place they might add that cool sweat on main characters.

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What i meant was...

What we saw in Table Tennis was all made with their new graphic engine named " RAGE" ,that they also use in GTA4.

That' s positive...right?

In some real time cutscenes or place they might add that cool sweat on main characters.

Yeah, but just as in the MGS series, the cutscenes will look better than the gameplay.

Table Tennis looks awesome, and Fight Night Round 3 is one of my favourite games on 360 so far, but to have those kind of models in a huge evnironment like those in GTA games would require more processing power than any of the consoles offer.

The RAGE engine will obviously be scalable and so like N3 where the cutscenes look f**king amazing, the gameplay will be dumbed down visually because of the amount of stuff that will be going on at any given point.

It' ll no doubt look good, but i don' t have very high hopes for the game itself. Like Terry said, it' d be better if it was set in something like a prison (they are setting Bully in a school afterall), and then, in confined spaces with less NPC' s and a much shorter draw distance, there' d be a better chance of the game looking as good as TT.

Hong Kong,would love a asian main character or some white honkey going to honk kong making bad things there :P

Hopefully the next GTA will feature a similar create-a-player as Oblivion hell they used the same thing in Top Spin 2. And since 2k games is a subsidery of Take-Two Interactive...meh probably not. However, since Saints Row is allowing for fully custom players I hope GTA does similar. Chickapoo88 was angry when a female custom character was ousted from Saints Row.

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gta4 will be in europe, or maybe London to be excat, since all games before hand followed the route of the ps1 games citys, vice city, san adreas etc. London is the only one they havent done yet.

Wow, I didn' t know that. London would be cool! The ps2 games took on the look and feel of various movies. Vice city had kind of a Miami Vice/Scarface feel to it and San Andreas was Boyz in the Hood all the way. They should make the fourth one mimic the Guy Ritchie movies. Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch! That would be cool!

Maybe Jason Statham could voice one of the characters! Yeah! Or that guy who played Bricktop! Sweet!

Maybe Rockstar should take a leaf out of Shenmue' s books....

THEY should include an Arcade that you can go and play Table tennis all-day,
if you were running from the law, you could always break off into the table tennis
arcade and play 1 on 1... If you lose, you go to jail.. I f you win, he gives you
all his weapons, his wife, family and all his cop vehicles (helicopter, car, hummer
etc), and all his personal vehicles too. That would make the game so much fun.
You should also be able to break into houses and steal someone' s cat, then hold
a gun to it point blank and hold it as a hostage.

THAT WOULD ROCK!!!!!

possibley you are a cop this time and you chase down criminals but end becoming one yourself at the end, set in london, and the new gameplay would be all the policeing dutys, with real time work hours just like shenmue.

Anyone see The Getaway for ps3? that looks fantatsic while still being quite large.

yeah gataway is a sweet game

Also remember this,dont you guys think GTA4 has a much bigger budget and team then Table Tennis had?

I think they had a timeline and a budget that was just enough to fit this off spin with a Table Tennis game.

not to mention that the ps3 is much more powerfull than the 360 so I think GTA4 on ps3 will look BETTER than table tennis.

Perhaps you can demonstrate on what a ps3 does that proofs its much more powerful.

Anyone see The Getaway for ps3? that looks fantatsic while still being quite large.

Getaway looks great. It' s being developed by one of Sony' s internal studio' s so i expect it to look better than 3rd party PS3 games.

Hopefully it' ll look as good as in the trailers!

(note that the caracters in the Getaway tech demo' s are relatively low poly but have very hard shadows and highlights applied to them from what looks to be some snazzy lighting)

I' d much rather play a well done Getaway than a GTA game any day of the week!

R*' s Table Tennis is AWESOME (i picked it up today) and not only do the characters clothes move freely and realisticaly but they also sweat and the sweat comes through your clothes after a while. It' s well worth it' s asking price!

Yes,we need to play again in Table Tennis