all i could think of is this:


very long/huge games
High definition (duh)
Many languages (spoken)
many cut scenes (in CG if it has to be)
Demos of upcomping games from the same publisher or developer

Games collections in one disc but this time for (psone or ps2) ??

how about a MODE where there are commentaries of developers while you play,
the same thing like in DVD movies, i mean that would be cool to understand how developers thought about each sequence of the game you love...

well i can' t think/remember something else, anything you wanna share guys??

Square Enix CG cutscenes... Those will render Blu Ray obsolete in no time

Unskippable tutorials!

very long/huge games?
Oblivion is certainly the proof that a DVD9 is more then enough to cover any type of game,isnt it?
However in the future,how about a spiderman game,that also include the new spiderman movie?
Its something that can happend.

Demos,well...
Then XBL is much better,since you can dl the demo when its out,and dont have to buy the game,thus making some demos exclusive,so i dont see that as a good thing,ofc some people doesnt have internet so...nvm it might be somethin for them then...But if they can afford a freaking ps3,they should have internet O_o??

Whats great about blu-ray is that,if you think about it,some xnox games had nes titls in them,well with blu-ray you could add some ps2 games,like as a collection box,and yes,it would be possible to add in ff1-ff12 or even up to ff13 or more in a single blu-ray.

To be honest, things like BluRay are best for games like Shenmue. I would love it if Sega packed parts 1 and 2 together on one BluRay disc and included it with part 3, on it' s own BluRay disc (or 5).

Uncompressed Audio? (hmm now that I think about it - RAM wouldn' t allow to use those.

HD Cut-scenes (that' s for sure - this will take most of the space).

Cool bonus (DVD LIKE) features

Optional CG Endings.

I think there' s a need for that much space since textures (and everything else) in HD take a lot of space.

If ITagaki was that dissapointed with 360' s lack of HD-DVD - it means there' s a good use for it :)

I highly doubt that many games will come close to filling a Blu-Ray disc.

HD content may take up space, but 360' s games are DVD9 and not running in a much lower resolution to what PS3 will output.

CG will definately tak up a fair amount of space in games that use it, but the more recent trend is to use the ingame engine to render cutscenes since it' s not only quicker and more cost effective, but it also allows it to be done inhouse.

Since it' s going to be a region-free (i' ll believe it when it happens) medium for games, ...multiple audio tracks are a certainty, but unless it' s a really big game with tons of speech, i can' t see audio making a huge dent in available disc space.

Quez is right about Oblivion being a perfect example that the amunt of storage space available with DVD9 is more than enough for a massive game. I find it unlikely that there will be many games bigger/longer/whatever than Oblivion.

Textures/mapping tend to take up a decent amount of space, especially the kind used in next-gen games (that' d be bump/parallax/normal-mapping).

I don' t think that the games themselves NEED or will USE that kind of space. I think the space available will cause some developers to get very lazy with regard to compressing things. I think Sony are being childish to insist that developers use it, especially because the potential effect of developers using Blu-Ray is higher game price...

To be honest, things like BluRay are best for games like Shenmue. I would love it if Sega packed parts 1 and 2 together on one BluRay disc and included it with part 3, on it' s own BluRay disc (or 5).

That would be glorious!

Square Enix CG cutscenes... Those will render Blu Ray obsolete in no time

I have a dislike for CG, i find it very tacky. I really enjoyed Advent Chlildren, but as far as games go i think it' s daft.

The greatest cutscene ever was the entire Tanker level in MGS2!

CG videos was cool cause they looked so much better then the in-game looked like,but tbh,i rather want to stay in-game a whole game,we are in next gen.and with right dev(square-enix,bioware,mistwalker,konami and epic games) why even bother with CG videos? lets just stay in-game,that will make us stay in the game and have a better experience,and you could also forget physic or A.I in those sequence,and do something extra visual,so dont worry.

Well the extra space will allow devolpers to play around with bigger and shaper textures which would not fit in a full dvd. It complete gets rid of the worryies of devoplers about space. Nice Extras could be included in these discs like ps2 and ps1 games.

But Mainly the Devolpers are going to benifit from the Space.

I still wonder why bethsead never talked about space problems when they made their 16squaremiles big world,with over 50 hours recorded voices to each of the 1500+ npc.
Or that the world is so beautiful that you need a 7800 to play at maxium,thus telling us how demanding this next gen game actually is.

Well the extra space will allow devolpers to play around with bigger and shaper textures which would not fit in a full dvd

This gen? I don' t think so!

Shit, there' s a limit y' know on just how sharp the textures can be, ...limited by the hardware they' re being rendered on.

Blu-Ray doesn' t offer anything but comfort for games developers. I don' t doubt that games WILL eventually need larger capacity discs than DVD9, but come on, 25GB, THIS gen?!

Only a FF7 HD next-gen remake would take up that kind of space!



Oh, and just going slightly off topic, ...the Blu-Ray movie region codes (since it' s only going to be region free for games) are different to the current DVD movie region codes.

The Blu-Ray one will be...


1 - United States, Canada, Mexico, South America, Japan and East Asia (excluding China)
2 - Europe and Africa
3 - China, Russia, India, Pakistan and all other countries

Which means that anybody with a Japanese machine in the US will still be able to play US Blu-Ray movies.

Erm, ...i can' t think of any African movies i would watch...

This gen? I don' t think so!

Shit, there' s a limit y' know on just how sharp the textures can be, ...limited by the hardware they' re being rendered on.

Blu-Ray doesn' t offer anything but comfort for games developers. I don' t doubt that games WILL eventually need larger capacity discs than DVD9, but come on, 25GB, THIS gen?!

Only a FF7 HD next-gen remake would take up that kind of space!

With dual layer they reach 50 gb :O
Its very bizzare.

I, personally, enjoy CG cut scenes. Warcraft III had SWEET cut scenes. I also like the CG movies that go along with the Team Ninja games. It does cost the developer a LOT to produce them, but I think it' s worth it if it' s done well.

As far as Blu-ray goes, I think it' s main advantage would be textures and audio. That' s one of the things about Oblivion that someone was complaining about. Low res textures in the distance. I think it' s probably a combination of storage space AND ram, but I don' t really know, ' cause I' m dumb.

The audio side would be sweet! How many hours of speech could you include with all that space!?

Also, could you imagine the jiggle physics that could be stored on one of those discs!! Aaahh! I can (and am!)

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I think the space available will cause some developers to get very lazy with regard to compressing things.

Kind of like Neo Geo.

I dont think its a storage problem about those low texture,that you see if you look at something 100-200 m from you,and is on a mountain,cause if you look at the pc version,which was made before the 360,you realise that beath,if they dev a game with that high pc req,and a dvd player req,they also know that some extra gb wasn' t a problem for their consumers.
And once again,you never heard them complain about storage problem,thus i belive they hade gigs left to fill up.

...i have always found the CG sequences in Final Fantasy to be my single most favourite moments...

...and have always wanted them to be able to code the whole game to that kind of stunning level....
...don' t think i have ever seen anyone else do CG just as well also......

...hey.... ..wasn' t FF' s famous CG sequences the reason that FF:The Spirits Within got made?...

Well...ff9 CG for ex was amazing or ff8 for that matter,but you have to realise that we played on a PSX,and this was like a toy story movie in quality,but...now with next gen,we can make BD into a cartoon movie :P in terms of quality O_o or atleast " cartoonish" to a true statement.

With dual layer they reach 50 gb :O

I know, but it' s been confirmed that dual layered discs won' t come until much later, ...and the cost of producing them is higher too and so they would unlikely be used for games development anyhow!

It does cost the developer a LOT to produce them,

They' re hardly ever done inhouse, ...usually tendered to CG studios.

Low res textures in the distance

It IS a 1st gen title though, and there ARE more important things than hi-res mountainsides (the ONLY low-res textures i' ve seen).

You should note that the draw distances in GHost Recon are also large and there are NO lo-res textures to be found. Same applies to Far Cry Predator with it' s draw distance of 2KM!!!

The audio side would be sweet! How many hours of speech could you include with all that space!?

A damn lot! But speech heavy games generally aren' t the very best, ...i mean look at Snake Eater!

Also, could you imagine the jiggle physics that could be stored on one of those discs!! Aaahh! I can (and am!)

Breasticles!

Well...ff9 CG for ex was amazing or ff8 for that matter,but you have to realise that we played on a PSX,and this was like a toy story movie in quality,but...now with next gen,we can make BD into a cartoon movie :P in terms of quality O_o or atleast " cartoonish" to a true statement.

...does that mean that FFXIII for the PS3 (?) could look like FFX' s CG sequences in game?... ...really??.... .

...that would RULE!!!....

...has a new PS3 Final Fantasy been confirmed yet?....

Well,when having the best dev,and 1080p,well,prob :P
I dont know,might take them 1-2 ff before they do something that resemblse that.

Which means that anybody with a Japanese machine in the US will still be able to play US Blu-Ray movies.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Too friggin sweet! Has this been finalized yet or is it still in the works?

Erm, ...i can' t think of any African movies i would watch...

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As far as CG goes, I like Namco CG way more than Square' s stuff for the simple reason that, from what I' ve seen, Namco' s CG characters tend to be better animated, at least to me. Square is great when it comes to creating awesome looking environments and cool looking character designs, but in motion, their characters tend to be CG representatives of the negative side effects of Botox. Their expressions barely ever seem to change to reflect different situations :p

Hell, look at Namco' s Ridge Racer gal, Reiko. Whenever you see her she' s usually winking, smiling, and walking around looking like a runway model who' s just loving life... Square' s characters ' almost' always look as if they just received some devastating news and are suffering from depression :p.

***runs for his life from Square fans!!***



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COME ON, CHEER UP! Everything' s going to be alright!!


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JUST LOVIN LIFE!