Ok, Chee Saw how old are you. Yes some remakes do suck ass but thats because they get rushed and have shitty budgets but if they would give them the time and respect they deserve and if you were a true gamer you would see that games are not that innovative anymore yes there are some and they get the props they deserve and qb vision dont count neither does a new targeting system. What nintendo is doing is innovation.

Game Junkie, it would seem your just another generation whore I could show you so many people that would agree when i say the super nes was the best games then were awsome and co-op was great, but i do agree the x-box 360 is awsome I know I had one and got rid of it and as far as the industry improving and besting itself I guess your intitled to your opinion but i' d like to know how cause I' ve owned everything from a commodor 64 and intellivision all the way up to the 360 and the way the industy went is just sad. I believe this gen holds alot of potential lets just hope they dont fuck it up because with this much money involved its almost a make or break situation.

Remakes suck ass!

Almost always it' s a completely different team working on the remake and almost they royally fuck it up.

Ninja Gaiden on Xbox was technically a remake but was in a sense more of a re-envisioning and the Gamecube remake of Resident Evil was created by much of the original team.

Fuck being " safe" , the industry has never been about being " safe" . Look at games like: god of war and psychonauts, hell even guitar hero, they weren' t safe, but they were amazing and the only one that didn' t sell like crazy was psychonauts.

Rubbish. There has always been an aspect of " safeness" in the industry with movie tie-ins and the like being around since the very beginning.

Until 15 or so years ago the " non-safe" games were in general put together by bedroom coders who had no funding in a time when games didn' t make a lot of money.

Now companies spend millions and have to look after their investment, making certain they make more than they spent putting it together.

It' d be nice to have more games like Psychonauts or Beyond Good & Evil but most companies aren' t prepared to take the risk.

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Unluckyone, your right about the masses and that being where the money is, I completely agree. But what I' m trying to get across is that this is a damn shame, it' s a damn shame that the industry has fallen to not only generation whores but now there' s even sequel whores and clone whores and it' s sad that people run out and buy annuel games like madden, nascar, and dont forget the latest 2 fifa games. all I can really say is thank god there are people in the industry that think the way us gamers do and by gamers I' m talking people like myself and I' m sure you can stand beside me on this unluckyone that remember the 8 and 16-bit era' s like they were yesterday. I jumped on the scene in 1987 when i was 2 playing harley davidson and pitfall on my aunts atari 2600 and ive been hooked every since so it really makes me cringe to see it wind up where it is today.

I feel the same as you. I' m sure most gamers who have been around for a while do. But we can' t go back. We need to go forward. I tend to look past all the generic Sims: Sequel #432, Generic WW2 shooter #212 and focus my attention on developers I know I can count on. Developers like Bioware, Bethesda, Irrational, etc. I' m also always on the lookout for new IP' s like Supreme Commander (spiritual successor to Total Annihilation), Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, etc. Nintendo is still entertaining as always too.

I think because of the vast number of games out there now, you have to look that little bit harder to find what you want.

ORIGINAL: Jenova_dark

Ok, Chee Saw how old are you. Yes some remakes do suck ass but thats because they get rushed and have shitty budgets but if they would give them the time and respect they deserve and if you were a true gamer you would see that games are not that innovative anymore yes there are some and they get the props they deserve and qb vision dont count neither does a new targeting system. What nintendo is doing is innovation.

I' m 30, and my first video game " console" was this...



The Magnavox Odyssey^2. We had 3 or 4 games on that. My next console was an NES. We got it the first Christmas it was out, and the two brothers who lived across the street from us got the Sega MS. I think I played both about equally. I' ve also owned the SNES, Genesis, Vectrex, Nintendo 64, Gameboy, GBA, Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, 360, and have had lots of time with the Turbographics 16 and Commodore 64.

And let me ask you; how is a remake innovative? That, in and of itself, is an oxymoron.

Now let me tell you why remakes suck. As Majik stated, yes, some different team than the original usually fucks it up, but let' s dig a little deeper, shall we. When you remake a game, you are restricting yourself creatively. There is source material that cannot be ignored as well as subject matter. As such, there is usually very little innovation and fewer " chances" being taken than with an original IP.

Secondly, we all have fond memories. Yes we all had that great feeling deep down inside the first time we saw an emotional cut scene in Final Fantasy! We all had that anxiety rushing through our bodies when we first beat Mother Brain and had to escape before the time ran out! How can you remake that? You can' t. You can' t redo a " first time" . All you can do is move forward, and look for the next " first time" . Your first " double kill" in Halo. Your first house purchase in Fable. These are the things to look forward to. Not something that' s in the past. There will be many such things in the future, trust me.

Innovation is rare. It always has been. There' s just a lot more games now to choose from.

When you look back on the old days, you remember the good games. There was a lot of crap back then too.

The seeming lack of innovation we see now is more the fault of the consumer than the industry providers. Innovative and new franchises get created all the time, and they get largely ignored.

Take Psychonauts for example. Look at how much trouble the developers have to go through just to try to get backward compatability on 360. Everyone who played the game loved it, but it simply didn' t sell as well any established franchise, so MS, just like any responsible company, is passing it over for more popular stuff.

You guys all made great points and I loved the comment about first times, sorry for sounding like an ass Chee Saw. And I completely agree but look at movies like War of the Worlds, Freaky Friday, Longest Yard, The Omen, and The Exorcist, they were remade for a new generation that didn' t get the chance to have that first time. And if they put that time behind like Tecmo did Ninja Gaiden Or Capcom did the first Resident Evil (which added a couple of new first times). Then they would make that money.

I' d love to think that some of my favorite old franchises could be remade, and be awesome again. I guess I' m just kind of cynical nowadays because of all the crap remakes. I mean, Tomonobu Itagaki said that Ninja Gaiden wasn' t even Ninja Gaiden. Tecmo just wanted him to use that name, but it wasn' t a remake, or anything. It was fresh and new. I think that' s what needs to happen. For instance, Prey could' ve easily been renamed " Xenophobe" like the old NES game, and people would' ve said " WOW. What a remake!" But it was an original idea that was not hampered by restrictions of an older title.

Personally, I' d like to see Actraiser and Kid Icarus remade and made better than ever, but you know what? If they announced that either of these titles WAS being remade, I' d shed a tear.

I' ve heard rumors of a new kid icarus title for the wii I dont know how true it is but it would be great! I myself would love to see Crystalis for the nes redone I think with newer technologies it would sine like mr. Cleans dome. What games would the rest of you guys like to see and what are your problems with the industy?

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I completely agree but look at movies like War of the Worlds, Freaky Friday, Longest Yard, The Omen, and The Exorcist, they were remade for a new generation that didn' t get the chance to have that first time.

Jenova, we all have the chance to see these movies for the first time, if we want to look them up. I don' t know about Freaky Friday and Longest yard, but the rest of these remakes don' t live up to the originals. Neither did new Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Hills Have Eyes, Assault on Precinct 13, King Kong, blah de blah de blah.....

I think it' s the same for video games. On the other hand, I think making the same characters with different storylines (say like Batman Begins) can work really well, for both movies and computer games. New Super Mario Bros is a great example.

I would love, love, LOVE to see Super Dodge Ball damnit!

There are countless titles I would love to see remade/updated....

Guerrilla Wars, Punch-Out!!, Chrono Trigger (Square keeps shutting down fan-remakes), Mega Man 2 (mainly soundtrack, do a little pseudo-3D effect), just to name a few.

I love ignoring my current- and next-gen systems for days, weeks, or even months and returning to my NES, SNES, Genesis, and Atari. It' s not simply " gaming nostalgia" calling me, it' s the fact that these games truly are good, well-done games. Does that mean that if a game like those (2D Side-Scrollers, Top-Down RPGs) were to be made today, that it would be a classic? Not necessarily.

It just seems as though some companies (not the industry as a whole) have lost their footing when it comes to making good, fun games. Sometimes I want to mindlessly run around on a killing spree, or collect the cool power-up in the middle of a level, or defeat one of eight robot bosses with their own weakness!

I love where gaming is going, but I also love where it has been. It seems as though the Major Three are realising this as well with their emulated titles and the likes. Microsoft is steadily balancing both the new and the old, and I strongly hope Nintendo and Sony can follow suit. I love playing Mega Man after a strong MP battle in LOTR BMFEII!