I just chatted some with my japanese friend,wtf? how did he get OB?
He must have dl it right? or do they ship english version of ob there?

look...

[01:27:30] yajika1030: Hi
[01:28:08] Don' t eat ye: Hello
[01:28:23] yajika1030: I played oblivion.
[01:28:50] yajika1030: It' s very real.
[01:29:31] Don' t eat ye: You have?
[01:29:35] yajika1030: Yes
[01:29:35] Don' t eat ye: i goty oit to my 360
[01:29:37] Don' t eat ye: itys kick ass
[01:29:39] Don' t eat ye: :P
[01:29:43] Don' t eat ye: i have everythong on maxium
[01:29:46] Don' t eat ye: looks awesome
[01:29:57] Don' t eat ye: I need to ask you something
[01:30:07] Don' t eat ye: Far East of Eden: Ziria
[01:30:12] Don' t eat ye: have you ever heard of a game called ziria?
[01:30:16] Don' t eat ye: Or anime or wtf it is?
[01:30:21] Don' t eat ye: some people claim its big in japan
[01:30:25] Don' t eat ye: and its a japanese 360 rpg game
[01:30:37] Don' t eat ye: it look horrible,but some people claim its
big in japan
[01:30:46] Don' t eat ye: and since your japanse and live in japan,you
know best :P
[01:32:14] yajika1030: I don' t know it.
[01:32:35] yajika1030: ah
[01:32:41] yajika1030: http://tengai.jp/pc/ten1/
[01:32:47] yajika1030: is it?
[01:33:57] Don' t eat ye: yes
[01:34:02] yajika1030: I heard it, but I don' t know next to nothing.
[01:34:06] Don' t eat ye: Far East of Eden: Ziria
[01:34:14] Don' t eat ye: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3hV6wvKJN0U
[01:34:21] Don' t eat ye: look at this BD video of upcoming 360 game
[01:34:27] Don' t eat ye: being made by sakaguchi-san who did FF serie
[01:34:30] Don' t eat ye: an akira
[01:34:33] Don' t eat ye: who created DBZ
[01:34:35] Don' t eat ye: look awesome!
[01:34:36] Don' t eat ye: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3hV6wvKJN0U
[01:35:19] Don' t eat ye: I palyed 20 hour in oblivion
[01:35:25] Don' t eat ye: 10 yesterday and 10 today
[01:35:30] Don' t eat ye: everyone i know plays oblivion
[01:35:33] Don' t eat ye: i play a knight :P
[01:35:37] Don' t eat ye: doing lot of sidequest
[01:35:51] Don' t eat ye: over 50 hours of recored voice dialog is in
the game
[01:35:59] Don' t eat ye: basically over 200 hours of gameplay
[01:36:05] yajika1030: I played for 2 hour:P
[01:36:42] yajika1030: Can I save the game anytime, anywhere?
[01:37:02] yajika1030: I don' t know how to save.
[01:39:10] Don' t eat ye: Yes
[01:39:15] Don' t eat ye: you got the pc version or 360?
[01:39:30] yajika1030: PC
[01:39:38] Don' t eat ye: press escape
[01:39:41] Don' t eat ye: and take " save"
[01:39:51] Don' t eat ye: what kind of pc do you have?
[01:39:57] Don' t eat ye: Its a very demanding game
[01:40:03] Don' t eat ye: the 360 playes it on maxium
[01:41:00] yajika1030: thanks, I try to save now
[01:41:07] * yajika1030 är nu Upptagen
[01:41:21] Don' t eat ye: so
[01:41:26] Don' t eat ye: i play this game with maxium graphic
[01:41:32] Don' t eat ye: and it look awesome
[01:41:36] * yajika1030 är nu Online
[01:41:39] Don' t eat ye: if you have the latest graphic card for the
pc
[01:41:44] Don' t eat ye: with pixel shader 3.0
[01:41:47] Don' t eat ye: you see it too :P
[01:42:01] yajika1030: my videocard is 6600GT
[01:42:03] Don' t eat ye: you can eye drop on people talking
[01:42:04] Don' t eat ye: ah
[01:42:07] Don' t eat ye: so basically
[01:42:10] Don' t eat ye: its like this my friend
[01:42:11] yajika1030: yeah
[01:42:28] Don' t eat ye: if you got 6800 or above
[01:42:36] Don' t eat ye: the pc and 360 shows the same
[01:42:44] Don' t eat ye: but with 6600 you can have it on high
[01:42:51] Don' t eat ye: but not with maxium
[01:43:03] Don' t eat ye: so
[01:43:14] Don' t eat ye: there is even a place where they create
magazine
[01:43:18] Don' t eat ye: for news in the world
[01:43:19] Don' t eat ye: :P
[01:43:27] Don' t eat ye: so you can find books and papers abou whats
going on
[01:43:34] Don' t eat ye: and you can listen to people talk about
diffrent things
[01:43:38] Don' t eat ye: they have over 50 hours of talk
[01:43:42] Don' t eat ye: for all 1500 npc
[01:43:54] Don' t eat ye: every npc talk and is voice recorded
[01:44:03] Don' t eat ye: and they dont say the same thing
[01:45:28] yajika1030: k
[01:45:35] Don' t eat ye: whta class are you playing?
[01:45:40] Don' t eat ye: im creating a knight
[01:45:42] Don' t eat ye: of some sort
[01:46:24] yajika1030: I' m playing tutriol now
[01:46:27] Don' t eat ye: k

Now that this kind of stuff can be achieved using the imgame engine...





...it kind of makes CG a bit pointless!

CG will always surpass realtime - PSX had great CG but next gen made that realtime , so PS2 , Xbox (ninja Gaiden , Doa) improved on CG and it looked even better , now next gen is getting at it again and CG will also improve dramatically (especially on PS3 where HD 1080p movies are possible thanks to blue ray).

I love CG movies - I do however realize that for some games it' s much better to stay hooked with no jumps and stuff.

The thing is - most of the FF games now have such seemles transitions between CG and realtime that it' s just amazing.It started with FF8.

As long as consoles aren' t the ultimate power of the universe , there will be a demand for cool CG movies.

PSX had great CG but next gen made that realtime

you mean some few CG' s, cus there are a lot cg' s on PSX that even xbox360 didn' t came close to them ( final fantasy 8,9 , chrono cross ...)

But the level of visual detail that' s now possible, renders CG pointless. CG is extremely expensive to produce and takes much more time than using an ingame engine to render a cutscene.

CG will always have a place in movies and no doubt we' ll see more features like Advent Children, but in games it isn' t needed now. It' s polularity, starting on Playstation proper was mostly down to game openings. You' d watch the opening just to watch the CG (Resident Evil 2 for example), ...CG was mostly used to add production value and make the game more impressive.

CG now simply isn' t as impressive as it used to be. Sure Advent Children was great but most other CG in games isn' t at the kind of level Square produce and generally the animation isn' t right or as reaslistic as it should be and that just detracts from the experience.

I think CG in games is retarded. The Final Fantasy games always look nice and it' s used well, but most other devs don' t get the transitions right.

I think that with CG the artists can make a different artistic approach to the cut-scenes. Using the games engine doesn' t give the artists the same freedom since they pretty much have to follow the limitations of the graphic engine and the hardware specs.

Hardware specs yes, but next-gen consoles should be able to do tons of amazing stuff. Ingame cutscenes can have a shitloads of post processing effects added to them which allows as much creative freedom as the artists require.

CG is usually done externally so they can only follow the brief given to them by the development team.

The cutscenes in Need For Speed: Most Wanted are fantastic and absolutely gorgeous, and they' re not even CG.

you mean some few CG' s, cus there are a lot cg' s on PSX that even xbox360 didn' t came close to them ( final fantasy 8,9 , chrono cross ...)

360 can do much more than any - ANY PSX FMV (CG) made by anyone .

in games it isn' t needed now

That' s what people are saying every new generation - wait till you see Square doing CG movies for PS3 in HD 1080p and then tell me what you think :)

Seriously - CG move forward just as much as realtime , so it will look 10 times better than most realtime animations until we reach the point where realtime can' t get more realistic.

MGS is the only series that managed to have realtime cut-scenes that look amazing and I wouldn' t want them to be CG.

Most games looke terribly artificial (animations , transitions between animations) and CG is a perfect cure for this.

I wonder if animals in Oblivion spining around 360 degrees (hilarious) are a special treat for 360 version :)

That' s what people are saying every new generation - wait till you see Square doing CG movies for PS3 in HD 1080p and then tell me what you think :)

Which is relevant only for people who have HDMI enabled HDTV' s that can display 1080p. Sony have already fucked a shitload of early HDTV adopters so the amount of people that will be watching movies in 1080p via their PS3 will be significantly lower than you think.

Do you have a HDMI enabled HDTV i wonder?

MGS is the only series that managed to have realtime cut-scenes that look amazing and I wouldn' t want them to be CG.

What about games like Resident Evil 4?

Most games looke terribly artificial (animations , transitions between animations) and CG is a perfect cure for this

I think what Dra6onboy was getting at is the fact that most transition between CG and realtime are terrible, and although their are a few titles that do a good job of it he' s right. CG in games if just getting old and its not as impressive as it used to be and for that reason along with others its being used much less.

I wonder if animals in Oblivion spining around 360 degrees (hilarious) are a special treat for 360 version :)

That wouldn' t be a complaint about the game would it? Do you have a 360 and a copy of Oblivion?

The answer to your qusetion would be a no, it' s also there in the PC version of the game. Its not like it matters though, its a great game and i cant think of a game off the top of my head that has gotten it perfect. Can you?

The cutscenes in Need For Speed: Most Wanted are fantastic and absolutely gorgeous, and they' re not even CG.

They are excellent yes but there are too few of them. The story should have had more depth and there should have been moree cutscenes throughtout the bulk of the game. Hopefully theyll do that next time.

Sulphur_Genius

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That' s what people are saying every new generation - wait till you see Square doing CG movies for PS3 in HD 1080p and then tell me what you think :)


Which is relevant only for people who have HDMI enabled HDTV' s that can display 1080p. Sony have already fucked a shitload of early HDTV adopters so the amount of people that will be watching movies in 1080p via their PS3 will be significantly lower than you think.

.....surely Square' s CG in a PS3 Final Fantasy will look super-awesome with or without HD?....

.....surely Square' s CG in a PS3 Final Fantasy will look super-awesome with or without HD?....

Granted, but then what was his point?

Cgi Films look great without a Uber Fantastic Hdtv, And same with games too if the devolpers work on them, not blameing the consumer becuase he dosent have an hdtv. It should look just as good on sdt, Shrek still looks good on your regular old tv. So will next gen/current gen games.

The difference between an in game cut-scene and a CG cut-scene is clearly demonstrated in Final Fantasy X. There isn' t even a comparison! They have Yuna doing her spirit dance (or whatever it' s called) in both, and the CG version is unbelievable! It' s more like beautiful art, rather than just a plot device.

It' s also evident if you watch the opening to Oblivion (in game) and compare it to the cut-scene in Warcraft III where there' s a similar scene (doing a fly by of the city in CG). Yeah, Oblivion looks awesome, but Warcraft III is head and shoulders above!

I like CG, and I hope it stays around for a long time. Hell, half the fun of playing Team Ninja games comes from unlocking the cool CG movies!

Quentin Tarantino hates CG...

360 can do much more than any - ANY PSX FMV (CG) made by anyone .

have you played final fantasy 9??

no no what about namco CG' s, Tekken 3 or Ridge Racer 4 the openening remember ??

are u sure 360 can do those ?? i don' t think so ... really ... some CG' s had a lot and lot of things going on at the same time, mighty more impressive than killzone 2 video and if you really think that xbox360 can do all psx CG' s or let' s say just most of them, then PS3 doing the same quality video of killzone 2 is " very very" possible ... but that' s a dream , wake up..


and i agree with some people here, CG' s is defintly not impressive as before and it is not as needed as before, i guess it is needed only in stuff where there is a lot of things going on at the same time, some big explosions in enormous cities with a million of people , sure that will be very hard to render in real time.. that' s where CG is handy...

there are games that use the 3d engine to render their cut scenes in an exceelnt way, Konami and Capcom are the best i guess.. i' m sur i forgot some few others ...

Yes,it can,did you know geeforce 3 could render the whole Final Fantasy movie?
So these xeno beast with 512mb 48 pipelines can' t render the ff9 cg? ofc it can,at what fps i dont know,however graphic like that is possible.

I think it should be more of an option to have blue ray when they are needed
Yeah demos on the disk with alot of extra features .
Some devs could make good use of it .

As for CG look a ff7-9 there was a big jump in cg quality and most people don' t make it seamless.

and everything can' t be done

As for 360 being able to do all CG/FMV from Playstaion one I disagree
from what future games i see coming out That quality has yet to be seen

There are details that you won' t see in realtime cutscenes not saying it is neccesary
but if they want to do a good job on it let have at it

quez of course xbox360 can render FF9' s CG, but when i say it can' t it means witha reasonable FPS obviously

FF7 tech demo prove me right,i won you guys lost,kiss my feets,KISS THEM!!!

As far as i' m aware, these are all running realtime on 360 hardware. While not exactly of todays CG quality (i' m thinking Advent Children), they are damn close to any CG on Playstation, ...some are even superior.

Nobody can contest that games are rapidly approaching the kind of visual quality that makes CG pointless to use, especially considering how expensive it it.

























As for PS3, well is may be a scripted cutscene with tons of post processing effects added, but this is still realtime and in no way CG...