Stop dissing me if you' re not right - getting older was a part of the story.

I was right, you wasn' t and as i said zelda was called a action-rpg,not a rpg cause of the mix,and because it was not a pure " rpg" .

yes getting older was a part of the story,but also a proof that characters dev going from nothing to a hero is proven here as a rpg.
however you did not build up your character enough as in other rpgs,as thats why it was called a action rpg,and also because having quick reactions was the way to success.

You arn' t right thats the point gangsta,get it,you are clueless what makes a game a rpg,and why zelda had the name " action rpg" .
Its not more a rpg the nother games,cause it doesnt have many selection,nor the character dev as in other games.'
Which is basically cause of the story,and lack of skills/magic,even though it certianly had them.

Whatever silly

Zelda is not an RPG.

(R)ole(P)laying(Game)

U dont give Link a role in the Zelda games, you dont choose what to say to people, you just got some lines by default. Its more of an Action Adventure Platformer, than an RPG, i mean in most platformers you collect stuff to increase life and such.

Its not an RPG!!!

I repeat, its NOT and RPG!


If you think it is, you havent played real CRPG games!

You can choose some lines,and i would not call it an " Action Adventure Platformer"
The fanbase community and the reviewers has called zelda and action rpg,the fanbase of all zelda sites says it too,probably because famitsu and nintendo once said " action rpg"

anyway i agree some with IGN...

" Unique Elements: Zelda has always been a realtime, action-based RPG, and has evolved even more into an action game"

However its still an " rpg" ,but not more rpg then other games as gangsta think,he can just not accept being wrong,that is just childish.
If he doesnt know what a rpg is,then he should say so,but he bashed abo saying he was a freaking noob for not digging dq8 and now he dont know what to do ;)

Just because someone calls it an rpg doesnt make it RPG, the first Jak and Daxter is as much an RPG as Zelda if thats the case!!

To me The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time is an " adventure 3D plattformer with strong RPG elements" . And I will probably put Twilight Princess in the same cathegory unless they make some really big changes.
The 2D games are more like adventure games with strong RPG elements.
But that' s just my view.
What is an RPG? Is it enough to have a story and an upgradable main character which you play as? Cause in that case, even the Mario64 or Mario Sunshine would be RPGs.

Jak and Daxter?

You should spend more time with Zelda I guess (there isn' t even a jump button).

Zelda has some strong RPG elements and it is called Action RPG for a reason.

Shenmue is more RPG than those silly stats based PC games - it actually gives you a ROLE to PLAY in this GAME.

Classic RPG' s are stats and level ups and better sword - ok , that' s right.

But sure if you make a narrow minded statement that RPG' s are only stats and shit - then the only RPG' s are the games you' re talking about.

Check my posts if you think I said that RPG' s need only story - I think I wrote a bit more than that.

i say fable even with all the hype just because all i did for like 3 weeks was play that game

I have played Zelda, and i dont see any reason at all to even suggest its an RPG, any. really, what makes you call it an RPG? in what way does it compare to games like Baldurs Gate or Final Fantasy? other than that you can use swords and to some amount magic? Its just an Action Adventure! And a good one at that!

I think we should put Zelda in a genre of its own. It' s a Zelda game.
Starfox Adventures is a Zelda-type game.

Now I know you haven' t finished Ocarina of Time - and probably didn' t get to the point ehre the RPG elements took place.Majora' s Mask was even more RPG than action.

Ok here' s why I say what I say :

You could built up your HP (gathering heart containers for completed quests)
You were getting new skills thanks to completeing some parts of the sotry and some quests
You were getting new magic also byu following the story and some by completing quests

The NPC interaction and Quests where your typical RPG style quests.
World MAP and exploration.

Sure it' s not a classic RPG game but it sure has some elements.
It' s not an RPG - it' s an Action RPG.

SFA was a great game but didn' t have quests like zelda and many of those RPG elements.It was a pure action Adventure with no side quests.

The Zelda Genre - yes I think there' s something about games that try to follow zelda that makes them clones -the only ones who' ve actually succeded in making a game in that genre that didn' t feel like previous zeldas is NINTENDO with every new Zelda :)

VX I have to tell you that after I read your posts I decided to check planescape - when someone says something is that good I feel obligated to try it at least before I speak.

I know that PC gamers are a different breed than console ones and this game proves it to me :)

I mean I woke up somewhere and kept walking fighting with some " corpses" - at that point I asked my self " why would I care if this game has amazing story (if it has - I don' t know) or fabulous soundtrack (could have it later in the game) or some extraordinary values , IF fighting is so incredibly unplayable?"

I mean there are two guys standing next to each other ( - you just tell your guy where to go and he always confirms it saying something that just sounds stupid like " yes" ) and swing their weapons missing or not - it takes some time then one of them dies and you go " fight" another guy.

No gameplay in fighting for me and I played it a bit to see what' s next.
Why didn' t they implement fighting from diablo - it was so cool and would fit here.What fun is it to watch guys poking each other forever?Looks so lame to me.

I don' t get it really - in games like FF or DQ you play each battle with some tactics and these are a lot of fun and here you just point and wait till that poor show is over.

I read some reviews on PC sites and everyone says this game is awesome.

I just don' t get it and it' s not like I' ve always been a console gamer you know - I decided JRPGs are amazing having some knowledge of both types

I think it' s the presentation that pushes guys like you away - if you had realistic characters with enemies like in your games you would love JRPGs

Or maybe I' m missing something , but I don' t know any PC gamer who didn' t like FF7 after he really tried - they often said it' s the best RPG they have ever played.Reviews on PC sites where also incredible.To be honest I treated my PC loving friends with shenmue 2 on Xbox - and guess what ?

If you wanna know what they said - go play it , finish it , look in the mirror , then say what you think about it.I guarantee you that you' ll hear exactly what they said.
:)

It' s really a waste of time if you like games and didn' t experience shenmue.

Shit I got off topic SORRY :)

Well since you only played a bit in the morgue, you have no idea where the tactics comes in, it has tons more tactic than FF games, since positioning and manuvering your party members is actually important, as controlling when spellcasters should move in with touch related spells and such.

You will have a party of six before you finish the game. Also remember the game shows its age, its a great game, in style of Baldur' s Gate, but maybe you should stick to console games ;)


On the Zelda note, in Golden Axe, you collect magic, and gain extra health, is that an RPG as well?

I takes more than structure to make an rpg in my eyes!

Ofcourse - it is an RPG element.But it doesn' t make it an RPG.

I honestly don' t believe that fighting in this game needs more tactics than FF games (not to mention FF TACTICS hehe) - It' s not fun what so ever.

But yeah - I need gameplay first , than the rest so I' ll stick with consoles.

But when it comes to presentation and stuff it looked really nice.

Just a difference in RPG styles, i dislike the FF style, sooooo bring combat. just having them stand there, and i press a button... YAWN!

Does it matter if Zelda is an RPG or not? The reason for why we put games in different genres is to make it easier to understand what kind of game it is.
I mean, some people might believe that Twisted Metal is a racing game when first looking at a few screenshots or the cover. But when they see its genre they understand that " oh, this is one of those games" .
If deciding a genre for Zelda is so difficult, then it should not be given one as it just makes everything more complicated, the direct opposite of the reasons we started putting things in genres in the first place.
I don' t think there are any rules regarding which genre a game belongs to which is why it so difficult to put games such as Zelda in one. Let' s just say that to some, Zelda is a RPG, but to others it' s not. It doesn' t have to be black or white.

Just a difference in RPG styles, i dislike the FF style, sooooo bring combat. just having them stand there, and i press a button... YAWN!

Did you mean " boring" combat?
Well,i can agree with that,but limit breaks and magic is kind of cool,however i agree its not so damn fun to play...
But i doubt very much people play FF games for the fighting system...

I wouldn' t doubt that people loved it (especially since everyone' s still praising the battle and materia system of FF7that went missing in 8,9 and 10), but that' s me.

VX - What I don' t understand is why would you suffer a game like planescape until you get party members and decent weapons?Games should be fun from the start - and this game is terrible at the begining (fighting I mean).

I think you haven' t really played a JRPG.Those guys are standing and you decide what to do every turn and it actually translates (your actions) into what skills your party will develop later.You have a lot of options and fantastic spells plus summons in FF series.

I think that gameplay could be much higher in PC kind of RPG' s , but they just don' t bother - cause PC gamers haven' t seen much more than those games and don' t know how fun it could be.

Fighting bosses with all the spells / skills you have is just so cool.

But you got it right - it depends on what you like (sadly however that depends on how much you' ve seen)

Oh one more thing - be sure to check FF12 Vx - this game has lost all it' s FF combat , and is now more like KOTOR' s combat system (which isn' t good for me but who knows you might fall in love) :)

Well to me final fantasy was boring at the start, and i severly dislike the robotics in the fights.

In the BG style games, you have to make sure your spellcasters are out of range, and sure that none runs to them, because they will die if you do. No one will jump across the screen adn slash at him, without moving first!

Oh KOTOR is among my all time favorite games, and guess what KOTOR is made by the people behind Planetside and Baldur' s Gate. KOTOR style is what evolved from the style thats in ´Planetside

Maybe that' s why I don' t like that style :)

But it' s way better than BG and Planescape - it really was fun.

FF12 has that and done much better (and that' s why I think FF12 will have different audience than previous FF games).

What I don' t like in PC RPGS of that kind (even played on Xbox they feel PC) is their ROBOTIC animations and all the BETA-FEEL (KOTOR) of unpolished production.

Jade Empire changed that a bit , but I didn' t like it at all after 10 h I got bored (but those 10h were great) and I tend to finish games that I play for more than 2 h :)

Kotor 2 was even worse than KOTOR 1 when it came to bugs and BETA-feel (but it' s not Bioware)

I really don' t like bioware for their unpolished productions that otherwise have great potential.

The fights of FF or DQ games are something different entirely - it' s more like a different minigame than just fight - so I can understand why you feel sort of uncomfortable (read: YOU FUCKIN HATE IT) with it.

But you should bare in mind that games like Grandia have haracters moving all over the place and that' s actually my favourite Battle system - it made me finish G2 without good story or anything except superb battles.

JRPGS have much more changes among them than the PC ones (I mean those BG like RPGS) , so playing one shouldn' t make your opinion on all of them.

MMmm its not just the combat system, also some of the Japs style, its just so kiddy like, i like it dark, i like gritty, and i like it bloody. if the game had a good combat system, and a more dirtier feel, it would be fun.

Im looking forward to Lost Odyssey, it looks sweet, also Blue Dragon to some degree!


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