Yeah *nods* The HDD comes with stuff pre installed. Some Music, videos abd demos. Alas, Core users dont get the HDD! I think MS should have put an 8Gb one with the Core, same as the one for the current XBox. Hopefully we get some bigger memory cars over time.

Actually thats what i said to my big brother on the phone recently why did they not include 5-8gb HDD to core,now its a risk the HDD work as a giant memory card,instead of caching files etc as it will with oblivion.
But at the same time,as my borther said,what happend if you HDD broke?! then you should just be able to send it to repair or ask for a new,while you still can be able to play games,so in that sense im glad games doesnt req hdd as the MMO does.

Makes sense. If you look at MMO stuff on PC, most have servers where all the chars etc are stored. For 360, only levels etc should be saved/cached to the HDD. So if your HDD does die, at least your characters are safe (Hopefully) Having the HDD does increase the amount of detailed worlds we will be able to have but until developers can be sure everyone has a HDD, they will have to work on the idea that the Core system is their spec. Shame, I think MS messed up a bit but, you never know, they could be just testing and may drop the Core system if it is not doing too well.

People might think im some kind of sonyfanboy(while im certainly not) its just that,when they asked J.allard about why did you not made core a package with a HDD+wirless controller and just higher the price abit,he said:that was a idea we had for the core,but did not take,and he said something more i did not remember.
But if the xbox team' s idea was as " ours" then its no wonder why some people feel abit dissapointed,because that would have made everything right,HDD could have been used to lower the few loading times(i heard there shouldn' t be many or long by developers) etc.
Also almost every of their fans wanted that idea,but they skipped it...now i just want them to rethink,because i think they do a misstake.

No ps3 doesn' t come with a HDD,but it come with blu-ray,is blu-ray something importent next gen?
No,instead of duplicate files as in this gen we can compress files,and we doesnt need to do FMV anymore becaus the technology is that far its funny how only itagaki complained while he do a Beat em up,and the rpg makers like the legender sakagchui the write of the stories+events in FF serie did not say anything,but then again his publisher is MS so...but i still think 9gb is far enough this gen.

Blu-ray is just made to make sony' s new blu-ray force itself into the market.
The best movie companies will go HD-DVD so...
Also i heard in japan one blu-ray disc cost 60 dollar ,yes one disc not a stack,expensive as hell.
And a clerk need 5 min to get it,sounds not so popular?!

So why did i mention blu-ray?!
Well take for ex shenmue,you could fit in all 3 games in a single blue-ray + a video or something that explained the game short,and it would not cost the devleoper a thing.
However...sony' s cell seems very hard to write to,its like evry core speaks 7 diffrent languages.

oh gosh i wrote to much sorry :)
Blu-ray might be good or it will be totally useless and just a marketing tool for sony' s new dvd,what do you think?!

I think the HDD will still be used. I mean, watch the PS2 HDD. It lowers loading times for games, too even if it isn' t standard. So I think that it won' t be that the HDD is " just" the big mem card, it' ll still be used by the games.

It will turn into another VHS Vs Betamax war.

Sony loves doing things like this. Blue-ray is a great piece of kit but I don' t think it will work this generation. How long did it take for DVD to become well known and used? Years. Sony thinks they will release it for the PS3 and everyone will jump on board. Remeber how much DVD readers and writers used to cost a few years back? Stick that in a PS3 + the chips they are putting in it = Too much money. Unless you can show someone what the benefit of Blue-ray is over HD-DVD, they wont be interested. DVD has taken years to become well known and everyone' s fave medium for watching top quality films.

This will drive development costs up again for the next Gen as well as prices. New PS3 + Blue-Ray disk with a game on it = Time to rob a bank.

No tv channel in sweden broadcast with HD and we have many channels,i got like 20-30.
Also HD-TV cost twice as much here in sweden as in USA,seeing how we cant buy hd-dvd or see improvements on our tv,but one sport channel might implant it in some years they say-
So basically in 2-3 years mayby some will consider going HDTV.
At the end of ps3 and xbox360 i can imagien HD TV almost be standard in europe,but now? no,so why buy hd tv? as a investment? well then we should wait untill they lower the price,which they will,i mean a DVD player costed like 4-5 times more then the best dvd today when it came.

Wow i can play xbox360/Ps3 with 720-1080 p. wow lets buy a new overpriced tv which no channels here support.
And im sure the HD broadcast in rest of europe might not be so big(i could be wrong though,we just went digital from analog broadcast here).


" EDIT" would be nice with a Kikizo article about what they thought about blu-ray and HD-DVD an their importens for future gaming etc.

HDTV prices are still expensive in the UK. Until it gets to a good price, many people just wont be able to join in the Hi-Def world. MS did say that even on a normal TV 360 would look great, so that is not too bad.

Yup, would be a great idea. Looking at this post will give them some idea of what a few of us are thinking.

HDTV prices are still expensive in the UK. Until it gets to a good price, many people just wont be able to join in the Hi-Def world. MS did say that even on a normal TV 360 would look great, so that is not too bad.

Correct me if im wrong,but last year the best high end pc with best graphic card could only run Unreal engine 3.0 in like 3 fps at max?
And yes the game will look amazing without high resolution,i mean just look at ninja gaiden,not many games i have on my pc(p4 3ghz 1024 ram ati radoen 9800 xt 256mb) who can show that graphic,it also doesn look like a game with low res,but then again a TV can show better graphic in low res,there is something in a tv that make it float better,while low res on pc look just awful.
Also we get world best 3d card,with freaking 512 mb and 46 piplines :S
Its just bizzare how good graphic the xbox360 will render.

" EDIT"
Forgot to add that Gears of war runs at unreal engine 3.0 and on the latest video from g4tv it looked as it run at 30-60 fps i couldn' t tell but i look very smoth and nice :)

As PC users will remind us (Heck, I am one) Given time the PC will match anything that the graphics power or the 360 or even PS3 will/may deliver. But we are talking about $300 - $400 for a console, not $300 - $400 on the graphics card, then another $300+ for a new CPU, more RAM and a bigger HDD.

For $400 the 360 will give people amazing, Hi-Def graphics, online play and amazing sound + great multimedia abilities Try that now on a PC and your looking at way over $1000 and then you may get issues with newer games. At least we know that a 360 game a year from now will work.

PC' s are only just sorting Dual CPU' s. Yes, yes they have been around for ages but this is the first real version of Windows that could multi-thread correctly. 360 have 3 CPU' s with 2 Cores in each. That means that as developers get used to the 360, the power gets better and better.

Oh yeah, Gears of War looks amazing. Did you see the g4TV interview on GoW? If not, check it out. Some great ingame action footage. Killzone Who?

" Napoleon lose Waterloo, Hitler lose Berlin battle,Bill Gates lose Next-gen war" (C) OmegaRed

ShellShock: Nam ' 67 for PC avg rating 51.6%
ShellShock: Nam ' 67 for PlayStation 2 avg rating 61.1%

Shellshock is a fps based in the vietnam war

Their other game was killzone which came to ps2 and have a avg rating at 72.6%

It was a fps that was like in the future and feelt and was based on the idea of like ww2 in the future,and the mutants(bad guys) reminds of the germans in ww2 in the game.

Was the video pre-rendered at e3?
I mean the killzone video?
Probably,but even if it was real it would not make a lot of diffrence,i mean guerilla has made now 2 medicore fps and people think their next will be the best fps ever made,did the fans never learn after the hype about the killzone game?
Sony even called it:" the halo killer" which it certainly wasn' t.

Not sure Mr Gates will like being put in the same phrase as Hitler. As soon as someone wins the next-gen, its all over and the following next-gen is unveiled at e3. So the whole ' Who wins the next-gen battle' is a bit pointless. People should just buy whatever console gives then the fun they are after be it Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft or Gizmondo.

Its not like sony or ms will leave the buisness just because they come in the 2nd spot in next gen fight,the gaming industry has more money then the music industry.
There is to much money involved to not be in the fight about the console gamers.
I love the fact we have 3 diffrent companies fighting for us,it really make the competion force them to make us greater games and price.
And remember sony came in as rookies vs nintendo and manage to sell 100 millions psx,anything can happend.
If you dont win that gen,try something new next gen and hope for the best,and suddenly you can be the leader.
Even bad sales can help us O_o Sakaguchi was drafted because of the lack of japanese RPG' s and now they come to europe,its damn crazy and i love it.

The team behind chrono trigger make blue dragon,and FF creator+nubuo make lost odyssey it will be an awesome RPG that will be rememberd for long time,trust me.

Hopefully sakaguchi and mistwalker doesnt leave the buisness after those two games,i dont want sakagcuhi to be a fisherman or making movies as he dreamt about :) i want him to make magic as he did with chrono trigger + FF serie.
But im even more intrested on how the music will be in Blue dragon+ lost odyssey,seeing how nobuo does it.

For you who doesnt know who nubuo is,he made the music for ex in every FF game.
I dont care that the sound got bad score in american websites(okay it got 7-8 but it deserves 9 if you ask me),its truly amazing music,just listen to ff7 or ff5-f6 or even ff10 and enjoy.
Opps almost forgot his good damn work in CT frogs theme>all,its even better then cids theme in FF7.

Not sure Mr Gates will like being put in the same phrase as Hitler. As soon as someone wins the next-gen, its all over and the following next-gen is unveiled at e3. So the whole ' Who wins the next-gen battle' is a bit pointless. People should just buy whatever console gives then the fun they are after be it Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft or Gizmondo.

He-he... Go to loking russian game forums " Bill Gates-enemy number 1" , SonyboysVS M$ VS Nintendoboys

ORIGINAL: OmegaRed

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The last thing we need here is a flame war. Don' t bring fanboy antics to this forum. they aren' t welcome.

The last thing we need here is a flame war. Don' t bring fanboy antics to this forum. they aren' t welcome.

Okey boss, no ploblem (C) ganster, Max Payne 1 level(7)^_____^

I never understood the fanboy wars,its not like someone gonna force you to buy a console you doesnt like.
I mean do the fanboys get angry because people doesnt share their thoughts?
I mean none of the console are gonna be perfect next gen.
The best idea would to buy them all ^^
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And the talk that Nintendo is just in the buisness for the gamers and not for the money like MS and SONy are is just complete crap,i cant understand how some people think that.
Every company is after money.
If nintendo was nr1 you would have seen the same arrogante attitude as Ken has vs the consoles,like calling xbox360 for xbox 1,5 and that ms will leave the buisness soon.
Or that Nintendo is for kiddies,and nintendo make 3rdparties lose money by making games for them.

Nintendo or MS would not act better if they was in nr1 spot,for ex J.allard has said his dream is that ken leave the buisness forever.
Ken is the guy who made gaming mainstream with his PSX he deserve a lot of respect even though in his later years he been very arrogant and angry,but thats because the asian electronic side for sony has been losing money and he was involved.
No,trust me,ms would act very hostile with comments vs sony if they was leading too.
And that doesnt make MS bad guys,its just how it is in the buisness,and when companies are fighting about huge amount of money.
But back about some dumb fiasko moves Ken made,for ex by ps2 he made 40 gb HDD or the dvd software program that really made things bad for them who upgraded it.
He even made sure some games wasn' t allowed to be released for ps2 because the graphic he thought was to far from xbox.


To sum it up,people with enough money will almost everytime go all three consoles.
And none of the companies are:" the good guys" its all about making money.

To my Vladivostok very popylary Dreamcast, PS2. Xbox...no...

Well PSX was such a great console,and xbox sold 4,4 millions in europe while ps2 27,so i can understand why the fansupport is at sony' s site and favourite ps3,they feel it a " safe card" while xbox360 stands for something new.