About J.allard and xbox360...

First of all i would like to add that im an big xbox fan,i own 28 diffrent xbox titles,bought everyone for the overpriced price of 80 dollars each.
Also next gen im going to chose as it look now xbox360+NR(but then again this gen i was only supposed to go ps2...and went ps2,gc+xbox).

Okay anyway now you know that.
I got something to complain about...
On e3,and on the comments xbox360 is supposed to be so next-gen and not like Ken kutargi said:xbox1.5...but the core package sure look 1.5,why? well just look at it.

It has no HDD,no hd-tv cables,no memory card,2controller ports,no hd-dvd,no backward compitable,no real media source to use because of no HDD.No wireless come with it and xbl wont work,unless you buy memory card(Btw this new HDD will work as an giant memory card with not real benefits).
Every parents will feel abit angry when they need to go back to the store to buy an memory card.

Anyway,i waited 7 hours in that irc channel to chatt with J.allard to find myself outbooted right when the questions started,because we where like 1600 people and it lagged like crazy,even for me with 8 mb internet.
But i read the script and it was horrible,how J.allard cant face the truth about how the fans feel about beeing lured.


I cant belive how he defended the overpriced HDD,yes J.allard it doesnt cost 100 dollar,mayby the avergae causal gamer belives in you but thats just crap,and you know it.

but then again he seems to be very lost when it comes to numbers...just take a look at this...

" The thing to remember is that while we designed a no-compromises game system, a huge percentage of our customers are not like the folks in this chat room. Recognize that more than 75 per cent of the folks on Xbox have not played Halo."

Okay so xbox sold 20 millions,and halo2 sold 7 millions,so 7 out of 20 is 25%?
k...

I think its lame when bacH claimed they went 2 controller ports because of the cost of wirless,when xbox360 not gonna have wireless as standard,when they claim premium package is for the:" hard cores" okay... i heard almost every store and people going for xbox360 is getting the big package because the little one is xbox 1.3 .


But then J.allard think velocity girl is not hardcore and might go core package...okay J.allard,but at e3 you said that you will get her with the media device and be able to make maps,wont you need a HDD then?
So basically you want Velocity girl to buy a new console+ yours that is least known for 500 dollars? (yes 400 euro=500 dollar).
No you say core package`?
But then she wont be able to use that you claimed will make her come,and then i heard from some:" well then she can just buy the seprate HDD to the core..."

That sounds good to me,but J.allard claimed the HDD cost 100 dollar,and 299 dollars+100=400 dollars,or as in europe price it would be 399+100=500 dollars.

So no,you lost velocity girl and now you aiming for what?
And overpriced xbox360 in europe?

If every xbox fan seem to be lured and J.allard just think we missunderstand how is it? how do you manage to make a missunderstanding in like 3 months?!

Ps2 sold 27 millions here,xbox sold 4,4...ahum how will you make people take a chance with something new and overpriced?
You gonna let the price down just before ps3 release? or releasing halo3 then?
That will only make some american buy xbox360,the europeans will wait for ps3.

Lower the price and include a HDD and wirless controller in core package and higher the price alittle.

We never got our HD-DVD instead you took away the HD benefit...Ms that was not nice done.

And the talk about being able to dl alot of demos and trailers,and dl content will it change now? when HDD isn' t standard?
How many will add this on?
And why do MS tak 80 dollar a year from me,when i with the 8mb host alot of games when i play :S make no sense,they use my internet and then take money from me...


I want alot of changes to make xbox360 actually manage to fight with sony' s Ps3,because as it looks now we have no chance.

Anyway as i said before im not some sonyfanboy trying to piss you people off,the games xbox360 offers like:Lost odyssey,blue dragon,gears of war,pdz,kameo,ghost recon3,Pgr3,halo3 and enchant arm for ex is games i just cant miss,im getting xbox360,but i just feel very dissapointed,and i feel that J.allad just gaved us PR answeres and never took the questions from the true fans that was angry and feelt dissapointed.

I look forward to some opinions about this.
Btw i live in Sweden.

It' s a super computer. You' re getting it for a steal. Go try and buy a computer with the same specs... oh wait, you can' t. That' s because the technology isn' t even availible for computers yet.

It' s not an over priced system, and the system is $400 not $500, at leat by US currency.

I agree that the two packages is pretty gay and goes back on what they originally stated but there isn' t much we can do. Most people will probably get the $400 because it IS worth the money. There are kids that don' t need the HD simpy because they don' t use Live. As much as I think the HD should be standard (and a lot cheaper, $100 for a 20 gig is just madness), MS doesn' t seem to think so. Either way, we aren' t really getting screwed.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Yeah 400 euro=500 dollar.
So we paying 500 dollars :S
in sweden i have to pay 550 dollars for preorders...but,im getting it before x-mas

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Maybe in Sweden but here in the US it' s 400 dollars.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Yeah 400 dollar is a great price.
And im getting the premium even though it cost 500 dollar.
because its a great package...but those things i get i hoped to be standard...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I' m getting the Premium too. the should just drop that $300 package and only sell the $400 package.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

I agree,but if they dont,plz just add a HDD and higher the cost abit...
And just be honest and dont tell us the HDD cost 100 dollars.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I feel sorry for those who buy core,and then realise they need to go back to the store and buy a memory card :S
and they dont even have a demo disc with the xbox360

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

You seem to be only looking at one side of the picture. At first I was against it but once I understood their reasoning I was more accepting of it.

What about all those casual gamers?

What about all those people who aren' t yet gamers but are looking at a way to enter the market?

Microsoft' s reasoning behind the two packages is very sound. I know quite a few people who have Xbox' s. And I' m not just talking about my friends who play games regularly. Out of the thirty or so people who I know who have them, I' d say only 3 or 4 people (including myself) use the Live service. So it makes perfect sense for Microsoft to release two packages. It' s meant to cater for the other 25 people that I know have them. As well as all those people who want to get involved but don' t want to spend too much to start off with. Microsoft may end up making more sales on the core version than on the premium one.

It saddens me to think that gamers have become too " elitist" for their own good. If someone does something that they don' t understand, they shun it. (I was like that until I took the time to understand it)

And don' t complain to me about having to pay more due to exchange rates. I live in Australia and I will most likely have to spend $AU650+ just to get the Premium system. I can deal with it, so can you. Complaining isn' t going to change a thing.

Oh yeah and console companies have always charged rediculous prices for accessories. An 8mb Xbox memory card is $AU60 here. The system link cable is like $AU15 for $1 worth of CAT5. Think back on all of the Playstations and Nintendo consoles. They never come bundled with a memory card. Why the complaining now? The stupid prices of accessories didn' t come at a suprise to me at all. We' ve been putting up with them for generations.

No n64 never came with a memory card nor psx,but then again you did not need a memory card to save on n64,i never bought one and could save.
And on psx there came a demo disc with alot of games,if xbox360 add that,when coming with no memory card then im fine with that.

And about complaining,xbox costed 700 american dollars when it came here.
We paid high prices enough,and why am i not allowed to complain? should i pretend like im happy?!
Alot of the communities over at majornelson for ex,or at other sites are angry,and i dont think a rookie like MS can afford to do this,i mean they wont win over the european market by putting 360 for 400 euro(500 dollar) and think people not gonna resist to buy it,they will think:" okay its expensive then i wait for ps3"
And even if xbox360 get a better price before ps3 and halo3 come,what does that change?what if ps3 come with MGS3,i mean people dont even gonna bother looking at xbox360 then.

They still have time to change the core system...add a hdd and just make the price abit higher.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

ORIGINAL: QuezcatoL

And about complaining,xbox costed 700 american dollars when it came here.

What?! It was $300 ameican dollars. Seriously dude, I don' t know how you are getting your currency exchange but it' s making my brain hurt. I have an uncle from Sweden so I' m gonna ask him. your numbers seem way off though.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

no its not.
Xbox costed 700 dollar when it came.
1 dollar=7,5 kronor
xbox costed 5000-5500 kronor at the release.
But then some weeks later they lower it to 580 and those who paid 700 got 2 free games.
Including me.

MS admited they had the wrong price when it came,and they wouldn' t give us the wrong price again.
Now xbox cost like 200 dollar+a game,so i was hoping for a great price for xbox360.
But now its 530 dollars for it :S
Atleast thats what the stores wnat here,and MS said the price should be 400 euro,and 400 euro=500 dollars...


And no, my numbers are not wrong.
Also the games still cost 600 kronors here,600 kronor>80 dollars.
Take away our taxes and the price would be 61 dollar,and that price would be super.
but that' s not what we pay here...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Microsoft should not change a thing in their release strategy. People will complain no matter what, so I think the fact that they' re giving people a choice eliminates SOME complaining. It' s funny that some people are actually complaining about being given a choice!! LOL

Their strategy is perfect; offer one system with all the goodies (at a VERY reasonable price, I must say) and one system that is bare bones that you can buy the accesories that you need later on.

ORIGINAL: QuezcatoL

Alot of the communities over at majornelson for ex,or at other sites are angry

Forums and blogs are full of very opinionated individuals that represent only a very small percentage of overall gamers.

,and i dont think a rookie like MS can afford to do this,

There' s nothing MS can' t afford .

And even if xbox360 get a better price before ps3 and halo3 come,what does that change?what if ps3 come with MGS3,i mean people dont even gonna bother looking at xbox360 then.

When was the last time ANY system came bundled with a game? I' m not talking little $5 demo disks either. I think I can safely predict that PS3 will not come with MGS3 (or any game, for that matter).

And if the 360 has a lower price AND Halo 3 comes out before the PS3 is launched, I guarantee it will change things drastically! (That' s not a " money back" guarantee, either!)

Sorry,it was my bad english,i never thought mgs4 was gonna come out with ps3 as in a bundle but release at the same time.
And that would counter halo3 heavily.
And when i meant afford,i meant not in a money way.
Ms cant lose money forever with their xbox and they will probably lose again if they dont fix this in europe.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

ORIGINAL: QuezcatoL


And when i meant afford,i meant not in a money way.

I know. I was just messin' with ya!

Just to make one thing clear,i adore xbox360 and getting it with the premium package(ofc) i just think this was a bad move,and that they gonna lose europe to sony again with their ps3.

Hopefully MS fix this problem before ps3 comes out...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Im pretty sure MS will drop the price-tag like they did with the Xbox. And I' m quite sure it will be prior to the release of PS3 (which is gonna come with a hefty price as well so ppl waiting for a lower price will have to wait longer if they already passed the 360).

According to a few reports, the memory cards that come as extras for the 360 act like smaller hdd. They can be used to store any informatio, not just save games. So people that have the Core kit could actually take advantage of music, downloads and also making their own content. They just wont be able to do much of it. Once the first 1Gb memory cards appear (and it wont be long) The reason behind having the HDD built in will be less and less.

For those casual gamers, the Core kit is great. Its a great piece of technology at a good price but its not the elite version which may scare new people to X-Box. Once they get into it, sure, they can buy the HDD which by then will be cheaper and they can join the rest of us.

*Content or would-be content creators will want the HDD. Thats the full kit. Plus all the early adopters that want new stuff now! (Me)

*People new to X-box that want a taste of what it can do. Thats what the Core is for. You start talking about HDTV, X_box Live, Digital Media Streaming and Anti Aliasing to a person that has no clue, you are more likely to scare them off than attract them to 360. I should know, I work in a game shop and I get this all the time.

*People new to X-box that want a taste of what it can do. Thats what the Core is for. You start talking about HDTV, X_box Live, Digital Media Streaming and Anti Aliasing to a person that has no clue, you are more likely to scare them off than attract them to 360. I should know, I work in a game shop and I get this all the time.

Yeah your right,but remember it was J.allard who said thats how you get velocitygirl over to xbox360,so she can make and upload maps for tony hawk or using media device,which will not work if she dont buy the premium package...
I doubt 64 mb will be enough for that.
I also think the core should have a HDD in it,or atleast memory card.and i also think there should be a demo dvd wich let you try the games MS is gonna publish.

I remember first day i bought Playstation,it did not come with memory card,but it came with a demo disc that included all genre,great thing made by sony.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Yeah *nods* The HDD comes with stuff pre installed. Some Music, videos abd demos. Alas, Core users dont get the HDD! I think MS should have put an 8Gb one with the Core, same as the one for the current XBox. Hopefully we get some bigger memory cars over time.

Yeah *nods* The HDD comes with stuff pre installed. Some Music, videos abd demos. Alas, Core users dont get the HDD! I think MS should have put an 8Gb one with the Core, same as the one for the current XBox. Hopefully we get some bigger memory cars over time.

Actually thats what i said to my big brother on the phone recently why did they not include 5-8gb HDD to core,now its a risk the HDD work as a giant memory card,instead of caching files etc as it will with oblivion.
But at the same time,as my borther said,what happend if you HDD broke?! then you should just be able to send it to repair or ask for a new,while you still can be able to play games,so in that sense im glad games doesnt req hdd as the MMO does.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Makes sense. If you look at MMO stuff on PC, most have servers where all the chars etc are stored. For 360, only levels etc should be saved/cached to the HDD. So if your HDD does die, at least your characters are safe (Hopefully) Having the HDD does increase the amount of detailed worlds we will be able to have but until developers can be sure everyone has a HDD, they will have to work on the idea that the Core system is their spec. Shame, I think MS messed up a bit but, you never know, they could be just testing and may drop the Core system if it is not doing too well.

People might think im some kind of sonyfanboy(while im certainly not) its just that,when they asked J.allard about why did you not made core a package with a HDD+wirless controller and just higher the price abit,he said:that was a idea we had for the core,but did not take,and he said something more i did not remember.
But if the xbox team' s idea was as " ours" then its no wonder why some people feel abit dissapointed,because that would have made everything right,HDD could have been used to lower the few loading times(i heard there shouldn' t be many or long by developers) etc.
Also almost every of their fans wanted that idea,but they skipped it...now i just want them to rethink,because i think they do a misstake.

No ps3 doesn' t come with a HDD,but it come with blu-ray,is blu-ray something importent next gen?
No,instead of duplicate files as in this gen we can compress files,and we doesnt need to do FMV anymore becaus the technology is that far its funny how only itagaki complained while he do a Beat em up,and the rpg makers like the legender sakagchui the write of the stories+events in FF serie did not say anything,but then again his publisher is MS so...but i still think 9gb is far enough this gen.

Blu-ray is just made to make sony' s new blu-ray force itself into the market.
The best movie companies will go HD-DVD so...
Also i heard in japan one blu-ray disc cost 60 dollar ,yes one disc not a stack,expensive as hell.
And a clerk need 5 min to get it,sounds not so popular?!

So why did i mention blu-ray?!
Well take for ex shenmue,you could fit in all 3 games in a single blue-ray + a video or something that explained the game short,and it would not cost the devleoper a thing.
However...sony' s cell seems very hard to write to,its like evry core speaks 7 diffrent languages.

oh gosh i wrote to much sorry :)
Blu-ray might be good or it will be totally useless and just a marketing tool for sony' s new dvd,what do you think?!

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I think the HDD will still be used. I mean, watch the PS2 HDD. It lowers loading times for games, too even if it isn' t standard. So I think that it won' t be that the HDD is " just" the big mem card, it' ll still be used by the games.

It will turn into another VHS Vs Betamax war.

Sony loves doing things like this. Blue-ray is a great piece of kit but I don' t think it will work this generation. How long did it take for DVD to become well known and used? Years. Sony thinks they will release it for the PS3 and everyone will jump on board. Remeber how much DVD readers and writers used to cost a few years back? Stick that in a PS3 + the chips they are putting in it = Too much money. Unless you can show someone what the benefit of Blue-ray is over HD-DVD, they wont be interested. DVD has taken years to become well known and everyone' s fave medium for watching top quality films.

This will drive development costs up again for the next Gen as well as prices. New PS3 + Blue-Ray disk with a game on it = Time to rob a bank.

No tv channel in sweden broadcast with HD and we have many channels,i got like 20-30.
Also HD-TV cost twice as much here in sweden as in USA,seeing how we cant buy hd-dvd or see improvements on our tv,but one sport channel might implant it in some years they say-
So basically in 2-3 years mayby some will consider going HDTV.
At the end of ps3 and xbox360 i can imagien HD TV almost be standard in europe,but now? no,so why buy hd tv? as a investment? well then we should wait untill they lower the price,which they will,i mean a DVD player costed like 4-5 times more then the best dvd today when it came.

Wow i can play xbox360/Ps3 with 720-1080 p. wow lets buy a new overpriced tv which no channels here support.
And im sure the HD broadcast in rest of europe might not be so big(i could be wrong though,we just went digital from analog broadcast here).


" EDIT" would be nice with a Kikizo article about what they thought about blu-ray and HD-DVD an their importens for future gaming etc.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

HDTV prices are still expensive in the UK. Until it gets to a good price, many people just wont be able to join in the Hi-Def world. MS did say that even on a normal TV 360 would look great, so that is not too bad.

Yup, would be a great idea. Looking at this post will give them some idea of what a few of us are thinking.

HDTV prices are still expensive in the UK. Until it gets to a good price, many people just wont be able to join in the Hi-Def world. MS did say that even on a normal TV 360 would look great, so that is not too bad.

Correct me if im wrong,but last year the best high end pc with best graphic card could only run Unreal engine 3.0 in like 3 fps at max?
And yes the game will look amazing without high resolution,i mean just look at ninja gaiden,not many games i have on my pc(p4 3ghz 1024 ram ati radoen 9800 xt 256mb) who can show that graphic,it also doesn look like a game with low res,but then again a TV can show better graphic in low res,there is something in a tv that make it float better,while low res on pc look just awful.
Also we get world best 3d card,with freaking 512 mb and 46 piplines :S
Its just bizzare how good graphic the xbox360 will render.

" EDIT"
Forgot to add that Gears of war runs at unreal engine 3.0 and on the latest video from g4tv it looked as it run at 30-60 fps i couldn' t tell but i look very smoth and nice :)

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

As PC users will remind us (Heck, I am one) Given time the PC will match anything that the graphics power or the 360 or even PS3 will/may deliver. But we are talking about $300 - $400 for a console, not $300 - $400 on the graphics card, then another $300+ for a new CPU, more RAM and a bigger HDD.

For $400 the 360 will give people amazing, Hi-Def graphics, online play and amazing sound + great multimedia abilities Try that now on a PC and your looking at way over $1000 and then you may get issues with newer games. At least we know that a 360 game a year from now will work.

PC' s are only just sorting Dual CPU' s. Yes, yes they have been around for ages but this is the first real version of Windows that could multi-thread correctly. 360 have 3 CPU' s with 2 Cores in each. That means that as developers get used to the 360, the power gets better and better.

Oh yeah, Gears of War looks amazing. Did you see the g4TV interview on GoW? If not, check it out. Some great ingame action footage. Killzone Who?

" Napoleon lose Waterloo, Hitler lose Berlin battle,Bill Gates lose Next-gen war" (C) OmegaRed

ShellShock: Nam ' 67 for PC avg rating 51.6%
ShellShock: Nam ' 67 for PlayStation 2 avg rating 61.1%

Shellshock is a fps based in the vietnam war

Their other game was killzone which came to ps2 and have a avg rating at 72.6%

It was a fps that was like in the future and feelt and was based on the idea of like ww2 in the future,and the mutants(bad guys) reminds of the germans in ww2 in the game.

Was the video pre-rendered at e3?
I mean the killzone video?
Probably,but even if it was real it would not make a lot of diffrence,i mean guerilla has made now 2 medicore fps and people think their next will be the best fps ever made,did the fans never learn after the hype about the killzone game?
Sony even called it:" the halo killer" which it certainly wasn' t.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Not sure Mr Gates will like being put in the same phrase as Hitler. As soon as someone wins the next-gen, its all over and the following next-gen is unveiled at e3. So the whole ' Who wins the next-gen battle' is a bit pointless. People should just buy whatever console gives then the fun they are after be it Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft or Gizmondo.

Its not like sony or ms will leave the buisness just because they come in the 2nd spot in next gen fight,the gaming industry has more money then the music industry.
There is to much money involved to not be in the fight about the console gamers.
I love the fact we have 3 diffrent companies fighting for us,it really make the competion force them to make us greater games and price.
And remember sony came in as rookies vs nintendo and manage to sell 100 millions psx,anything can happend.
If you dont win that gen,try something new next gen and hope for the best,and suddenly you can be the leader.
Even bad sales can help us O_o Sakaguchi was drafted because of the lack of japanese RPG' s and now they come to europe,its damn crazy and i love it.

The team behind chrono trigger make blue dragon,and FF creator+nubuo make lost odyssey it will be an awesome RPG that will be rememberd for long time,trust me.

Hopefully sakaguchi and mistwalker doesnt leave the buisness after those two games,i dont want sakagcuhi to be a fisherman or making movies as he dreamt about :) i want him to make magic as he did with chrono trigger + FF serie.
But im even more intrested on how the music will be in Blue dragon+ lost odyssey,seeing how nobuo does it.

For you who doesnt know who nubuo is,he made the music for ex in every FF game.
I dont care that the sound got bad score in american websites(okay it got 7-8 but it deserves 9 if you ask me),its truly amazing music,just listen to ff7 or ff5-f6 or even ff10 and enjoy.
Opps almost forgot his good damn work in CT frogs theme>all,its even better then cids theme in FF7.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Not sure Mr Gates will like being put in the same phrase as Hitler. As soon as someone wins the next-gen, its all over and the following next-gen is unveiled at e3. So the whole ' Who wins the next-gen battle' is a bit pointless. People should just buy whatever console gives then the fun they are after be it Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft or Gizmondo.

He-he... Go to loking russian game forums " Bill Gates-enemy number 1" , SonyboysVS M$ VS Nintendoboys

ORIGINAL: OmegaRed

He-he... Go to loking russian game forums " Bill Gates-enemy number 1" , SonyboysVS M$ VS Nintendoboys

The last thing we need here is a flame war. Don' t bring fanboy antics to this forum. they aren' t welcome.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

The last thing we need here is a flame war. Don' t bring fanboy antics to this forum. they aren' t welcome.

Okey boss, no ploblem (C) ganster, Max Payne 1 level(7)^_____^

I never understood the fanboy wars,its not like someone gonna force you to buy a console you doesnt like.
I mean do the fanboys get angry because people doesnt share their thoughts?
I mean none of the console are gonna be perfect next gen.
The best idea would to buy them all ^^
Need to start saving right now
And the talk that Nintendo is just in the buisness for the gamers and not for the money like MS and SONy are is just complete crap,i cant understand how some people think that.
Every company is after money.
If nintendo was nr1 you would have seen the same arrogante attitude as Ken has vs the consoles,like calling xbox360 for xbox 1,5 and that ms will leave the buisness soon.
Or that Nintendo is for kiddies,and nintendo make 3rdparties lose money by making games for them.

Nintendo or MS would not act better if they was in nr1 spot,for ex J.allard has said his dream is that ken leave the buisness forever.
Ken is the guy who made gaming mainstream with his PSX he deserve a lot of respect even though in his later years he been very arrogant and angry,but thats because the asian electronic side for sony has been losing money and he was involved.
No,trust me,ms would act very hostile with comments vs sony if they was leading too.
And that doesnt make MS bad guys,its just how it is in the buisness,and when companies are fighting about huge amount of money.
But back about some dumb fiasko moves Ken made,for ex by ps2 he made 40 gb HDD or the dvd software program that really made things bad for them who upgraded it.
He even made sure some games wasn' t allowed to be released for ps2 because the graphic he thought was to far from xbox.


To sum it up,people with enough money will almost everytime go all three consoles.
And none of the companies are:" the good guys" its all about making money.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

To my Vladivostok very popylary Dreamcast, PS2. Xbox...no...

Well PSX was such a great console,and xbox sold 4,4 millions in europe while ps2 27,so i can understand why the fansupport is at sony' s site and favourite ps3,they feel it a " safe card" while xbox360 stands for something new.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.