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ORIGINAL: Terry Bogard

I always have to give them credit for the way they whore their games out to every gaming platform on the market, making sure noone misses out..




I guess that' s true NOW....since there' s no Sega console out there....

unfortunatly when dreamcast was out many of my friends wouldn´t buy it because there was no fifa game in it....i know...that´s no reason to not owning a game console that has games like shenmue, skies or arcadia, jet set radio, etc....but that was the reality for those guys.

I guess that' s true NOW....since there' s no Sega console out there....

Hehe... Spot on.

Wasn' t it because EA didn' t like the fact that Sega had their own sports
development with Visual Concepts?

ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on

Up until recently (God of War and SotC), Sony' s first party games have sucked compared to the Nintendo and Microsoft heavyweights.

Hey! They have other good titles too.
Maybe not as good as God of War or SotC but Nintendo/Microsoft have some bad moments too (Mario Sunshine).

Ico, God of War, SotC, Ape Escape, Buzz, EyeToy, Ratchet and Clank, Singstar, Socom U.S. Navy seals, Ever Quest, GranTurismo, Naughty Dog titles, Key of Heaven (Kingdom of paradise), Syphon Filter, Talkman, Wipeout Pure, ATV offroad fury, LocoRoco and Twisted Metal are all pretty much 1st party titles. And pretty good ones too.

Compared to Sony' s 1st party titles Microsoft sucks.
Nintendo is better than Sony though.

Ico, God of War, SotC, Ape Escape, Buzz, EyeToy, Ratchet and Clank, Singstar, Socom U.S. Navy seals, Ever Quest, GranTurismo, Naughty Dog titles, Key of Heaven (Kingdom of paradise), Syphon Filter, Talkman, Wipeout Pure, ATV offroad fury, LocoRoco and Twisted Metal are all pretty much 1st party titles. And pretty good ones too.

The Ape Escape, Eye Toy, Singstar, Syphon Filter, ATV and Twisted Metal games are all BAD.

Syphon Filter went way down hill after the 2nd game (the first two i loved). It, like Twisted Metal (again, i loved the first two) is a series that has refused to grow up (read evolve with the rest of the industry).

Ape Escape COULD be enjoyable but the series is marred by bad controls.

Eye Toy and Singstar are rubbish. While i understand and see the importance of Eye Toy and believe that it could be truly awesome this generation if done right, the games so far have been awful. I' m not going to comment on Singstar.



GranTurismo is undoubtedly a popular series and has undeniable build quality, but again it' s being left behind. I despise the series but i see why people love it. Games like GTR and the Proect Gothem series walk all over GT as far as i' m concerned. With the sheer amount of amazing looking next gen driving games (TDU for example), Sony need to go all out on GT, add car damage and realistic physics and make the game more fun (if only by adding a non-sim mode).

The Ratchet and Clank games have been 1up' d by the Jak & Daxter series at every turn. I don' t like them but again i see why people do. Both Super Mario Sunshine and Conker: Live & Reloaded are far superior in every aspect.

Ever Quest? Lets' s see Sony make that work on PlayStation 3. Sony' s PlayStation userbase won' t go for it.

The Ico/SotC, God of War, Socom U.S. Navy seals and Wipeout games are the Sony heavyweights. These are the games that need next gen updates early in PS3' s life.

God of War is Sony' s Ninja Gaiden. It needs to be MUCH harder though and they need to open up the game world so that even if they only do a GoW trilogy they can continue the series through another character.

The SoCom games if done right could rival the Clancy range. Unfortunately, so far they' ve been only average. I' m REALLY looking forward to their next-gen incarnation though as the series has massive potential.

Wipeout Fusion was dire, but Pure was a god send. I want a PS3 version of Pure at launch. That would sell me and it would show me that Sony are serious about PS3 being a games machine. 2097 is still the best console entry in the series and that' s what Sony need to go back to, just like they have done with Pure. They DO NOT need to make it work with the stupid motion sensing controller as they' d have to change the games mechanic to make it work properly.

Lastly, the ICO/SotC games could, somewhere down the line be bigger than Zelda. I don' t want a 3rd game, instead i want PS3 remakes of both PS2 titles.

Compared to Sony' s 1st party titles Microsoft sucks.

You' re serious? Microsoft have some seriously cool first party games and IP' s.

Conker
Crimzon Skies
Fable
Forza Motorsport
Halo
MechAssault
Project Gotham
RalliSport Challenge
Kameo
Perfect Dark
Age of Empires
Mechwarrior
Killer Instinct
Banjoe
Black & White

Sony' s problem is that it' s first party titles are often overshadowed by their third party games. The way i see it, both Microsoft and Nintendo especially have the better first party franchises.

Wasn' t it because EA didn' t like the fact that Sega had their own sports
development with Visual Concepts?

Actually, one supposed reason was because EA still had a bug up their ass over what happened with the Saturn. Their games were miserable failures on the Saturn, costing them a bit of money, so rather than rush to jump on the Dreamcast gravy train they decided to sit it out and wait for the PS2..

I don' t remember if Bernie Stolar was another reason EA stayed away but the entire industry knows for damn sure Stolar is the reason why Working Designs initially stayed away.


Going back to the subject of " GTA" , If I know Sony well enough I don' t think the PS3 is going to get the same exact game as the Xbox 360. I think the PS3 is going to get something along the lines of a Grand Theft Auto 4.5 or something like that with exclusive content. They' re not going to want a hand me down, they' re likely going to want to be able to say, " Hey, we have the definitive version of Grand Theft Auto 4 with additional content that can only be experienced on the PlayStation 3" .

IF SONY NEVER CARED FOR GTA OR NEVER THOUGHT IT SOLD THEIR CONSOLE;WHY MAKE A CONTRACT WITH ROCKSTAR ONLY LET THEIR GAMES COME TO Ps2.

WTF?!

The Ape Escape, Eye Toy, Singstar, Syphon Filter, ATV and Twisted Metal games are all BAD.

I was going to make a long post here but why care. We simply like different games. The Sony games I mentioned are all great fun IMO. Really worth buying.
Of the mentioned MS games I only like Halo, Age of Empires, and the RARE games. But the only good Rare games mentioned are the ones who was on Nintendo' s consoles. Kameo is nice but PDZ... even you hate it.
Halo is overestimated and there are RTS games that are much more fun than Age of Empires. Black and White sucks IMO.

PDZ... even you hate it.

I loathe it.

Halo is overestimated and there are RTS games that are much more fun than Age of Empires. Black and White sucks IMO.

Halo kicks ass. The online specifically is amazing!

Black & White was great, but the 2nd game was a let down. Lionhead also have BC and Fable though!

Please-no more halo is overhyped,we have diffrent taste...
I love HALO and Halo2.

Ok. But don' t get me wrong, I love the Halo games too. They' re really fun to play but they just don' t reach my elite group. I' d rate it 8/10.

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

Ok. But don' t get me wrong, I love the Halo games too. They' re really fun to play but they just don' t reach my elite group. I' d rate it 8/10.

Erm... are The Ape Escape, Eye Toy, Singstar, Syphon Filter, ATV and Twisted Metal games all in your " elite" group?

Nope, I never said they were.
But they are proof that Sony is a good 1st party developer, and imo, better than Microsoft.
Ape Escape and Twisted Metal comes very close to belong to my elite group.
Ico, God of War (I hate that you can' t write GoW since it looks like Gears of War) and SotC are Sony' s top class games. Gran Turismo would definitely be there if I liked simulators. But now I don' t.
I honestly don' t remember what games they made for the PS1 more than the ones I mentioned so there might be more gems there. But I doubt it.
It' s to bad that Sony doesn' t makes their titles more polished because that' s what keeps them from becoming true AAA titles. Twisted Metal, Socom, Ape Escape and the others really has potential.
But just for the record, sometimes I' ve got pretty twisted taste when it comes to videogames .

I have a belly button!

Come to think of it, I do to!
You think we are related?

Do you have Jewish blood?!

I can' t find any gold around my neck no matter how much I look so I guess not.
But maybe I' m irish? I should check if any of my relatives might be a lepricon or whatever you called it.