ORIGINAL: Rampage99

I don' t spend any money going out of the country. I couldn' t care less about going to Europe. What other people do is their own business not mine. I' m living more than comfortably at my house.

You mean your parents house?

Damn right.

Ive been preaching this at the beginning of the race. Don' t get me wrong I would love to see a black man in office. If you base the choice off of Americas past Obama will not be the president.

I' d say both Hillary and Obama were DOA .

ORIGINAL: mastachefbkw

Nah, I am more aware of the world than you are. You haven' t even been to europe, typical dumbass in debt on a failing economy in a drowning country that is still stupid enough to vote republican.

More like a country that is stupid enough to vote period. There is no republican and there is no democrat. There are thieves and nothing more.

No.

I don' t know how republicans do it to be honest, republican is a party mostly for those that are well off. Yet most republican voters you run into are not well off, and are complete morons.

For instance take Rampage, he is full of debt and an economical failure, you would think he would vote for the party that represents his interests, but he doesn' t.

I was speaking to a Woman that has no healthcare (her employer doesn' t provide it) and she is voting republican, WTF is wrong with people?

I understand if people like me vote republican, I am in the upper class, but it boggles the mind when people like Rampage and that woman votes for parties who' s only goal is to keep them in debt and keep them without healthcare.

The biggest mind*** you could experience is watching poor ass naturalized immigirants (mexicans) actually voting republican, are you ***ing kidding me? It' s like they want to stay in the ghetto, they don' t want to go to college, and they don' t want success. They just want to give it to people like me so I can exploit them further.

I assume it has to do with republican brain washing and branding of religion, most of latin america is catholic so I can see a naturalized mexican being stupid enough to vote for bush just because they have the same religion.

It' s amazing watching you talk out of your ass. Especially when it comes to me. You don' t know anything about me. And you can say you' re in the upper class all day while hiding behind a computer monitor and how much smarter and better you are than other people but all you come off as is some dumbass whose only source of enjoyment is telling people how great he is on the internet because he doesn' t have to prove anything. You' re just a common internet troll without a life.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you' re blocked.

I don' t know how republicans do it to be honest, republican is a party mostly for those that are well off. Yet most republican voters you run into are not well off, and are complete morons.

For instance take Rampage, he is full of debt and an economical failure, you would think he would vote for the party that represents his interests, but he doesn' t.

I was speaking to a Woman that has no healthcare (her employer doesn' t provide it) and she is voting republican, WTF is wrong with people?

I understand if people like me vote republican, I am in the upper class, but it boggles the mind when people like Rampage and that woman votes for parties who' s only goal is to keep them in debt and keep them without healthcare.

The biggest mind*** you could experience is watching poor ass naturalized immigirants (mexicans) actually voting republican, are you ***ing kidding me? It' s like they want to stay in the ghetto, they don' t want to go to college, and they don' t want success. They just want to give it to people like me so I can exploit them further.

I assume it has to do with republican brain washing and branding of religion, most of latin america is catholic so I can see a naturalized mexican being stupid enough to vote for bush just because they have the same religion.

You are one negative guy. Why must you talk trash and call people names over the net. Its not like you even know them. Rampage is probably a good guy so what if he' s middle class so am I. You need an attitude adjustment.

That' s right... since you can' t argue with his logical political standing it' s probably just best to ignore him

No, he' s an asshole, that' s why I' m ignoring him. He' s a typical internet troll.

Everybody' s an asshole. But being an asshole doesn' t stop him being right.

He' s not right. You want to know why I vote Republican? Because when broken down to a basic level Republicans are for smaller government and don' t expect the government to coddle people. Republicans expect people to work to achieve goals. They don' t feel a need to reward people that don' t put the effort in. Democrats on the other hand want the government to be bigger and to have its hands in everything. They want to actively influence people' s lives. It' s like that bullshit affirmative action. People that don' t necessarily work as hard are rewarded just as much. I think that' s crap. That' s not the role of a government, at least it shouldn' t be.

If you want a government that has a strong influence on your life that' s your opinion. I won' t say it' s wrong, I just think it' s fucking retarded. I don' t feel my tax money should be used as a charity.

And what the fuck does this have to do with buying a PS3? That' s another reason I blocked him, none of his posts pertain to anything of relevance. It' s always about how much better he is than everybody else and how people are " poor" and stupid. He' s a troll.

He' s not right. You want to know why I vote Republican? Because when broken down to a basic level Republicans are for smaller government and don' t expect the government to coddle people. Republicans expect people to work to achieve goals. They don' t feel a need to reward people that don' t put the effort in. Democrats on the other hand want the government to be bigger and to have its hands in everything. They want to actively influence people' s lives. It' s like that bullshit affirmative action. People that don' t necessarily work as hard are rewarded just as much. I think that' s crap. That' s not the role of a government, at least it shouldn' t be.

If you want a government that has a strong influence on your life that' s your opinion. I won' t say it' s wrong, I just think it' s fucking retarded. I don' t feel my tax money should be used as a charity.

I get both ways of life. Denmark would be the most extreme democrat you could imagine running things.

With higher taxes you arent offering charity, but unsurering safety. In denmark the health care system is free, need a kidney, here you go, heart surgery, kemotherapy, even janitors and factory workers deserve to live.

School, in denmark you dont have to pay to go to school, hell we even get money for it. an average 18 year old would get 300$ a month for attending college, the amoutn changes to more if they live alone and when your over 20.

By unsurering welfare you affectively lower crime, people dont have to steal to get by even when unemployed, sometimes its not peoples own fault they are unempled (though at times it is ofcourse)

There are lots of benefits for higher taxes anda big goverment.

Im undecided at whats best.

I couldn' t care less about giving an opinion on this useless politic debate (specially when I don' t know enough about the US to make an informed, correct opinion) but I just have to say this...

If they need a specialist they come to America for it. The only good thing about national healthcare is it makes routine doctor visits possible for poor people. But in the end, who cares about them anyway?

You are an idiot. Hopefully life hits you hard enough that maybe you' ll see things differently, but that' s doubtful it seems, judging by moronic and selfish statements like this

Ok, carry on.

I don' t spend any money going out of the country. I couldn' t care less about going to Europe. What other people do is their own business not mine. I' m living more than comfortably at my house.

Why? Is pretty and full of culture! The world is waiting for you Ramp

Well VX the biggest argument against a big government is that it has too much power and that if said power was to be used for " evil" then it wouldn' t be very good. Now with a smaller central government the power gets distributed to the local governments(which also allows for more effective governing) and the central government can never take over(become a monarchy, dictatorship, or any of those other nasty government types). Now this same philosophy is why I am against communism, we would all love to be rich and have everybody be the same and everybody be happy, but if that power was to fall to someone who uses for their own gains then it wouldn' t be effective.


On the healtcare issue, I think what dan was trying to say is that we have some of the best doctors because they get paid a lot to become really good and if we have a national healthcare that pays more basic rates and doctors have less control over how much they make they might not be inclined to do what they do so well. Now I am not saying that all doctors are this self serving and that they won' t getting paid very much, but as an overall the medical field is very capitalist in america and so taking the capitalistness(probably not a word) out of may hurt it.

Healthcare much like many other things needs to have a balance between the two sides, with competition/work/money and reward on one side and charity/socialism/benefits on the other.

I work for the NHS in the UK, so I can see the value of allowing everyone access to such an essential service, but imo thats all it should be, the basics. Once you' ve got an equal and evenly distributed baseline to work from, you should then expect to pay more/work harder to get that extra less necessary medical care.

The UK gets it wrong in that it goes too far towards the socialist side, the government can' t possibly expect people to give up life' s comforts through rising taxation, in order to pay for everything the NHS needs. Our healthcare is still badly underfunded and understaffed and disorganised. Don' t get me wrong, its a good system that works for the most part, and I' m gladly working for it, but it could be a lot better with some element of privatisation.

The US on the other hand goes too far the other way imo. Sure highly sought after doctors get paid shit-loads, but I couldn' t be a doctor there earning a bucket load (money in buckets?) knowing that essential healthcare was not in place for everyone that needs it.

So I dont blame anyone for expecting people to work to survive, everyone' s got to do something to keep the world moving, and should be rewarded more for doing more. But at the same time, not everyone is as bright, or strong, or good-looking, or talented, or have the same opportunities, to have the their basic needs - and there needs to be some kind of socialist system in place to keep everyone alive.

ORIGINAL: Torr

On the healtcare issue, I think what dan was trying to say is that we have some of the best doctors because they get paid a lot to become really good and if we have a national healthcare that pays more basic rates and doctors have less control over how much they make they might not be inclined to do what they do so well. Now I am not saying that all doctors are this self serving and that they won' t getting paid very much, but as an overall the medical field is very capitalist in america and so taking the capitalistness(probably not a word) out of may hurt it.

Rubbish. You either do your job properly or you find yourself without it.

The way it' s set up right now - only the people with money are getting the best healthcare. Everybody should be getting the same level of treatment.

We have had free healthcare - paid for through taxes for 60 years. It covers everything from dentistry to long-term chronic illnesses. Treatment is free, save for small charges for prescriptions if you' re gainfully employed. If you' re unemployed, elderly, a child or on a low income then prescriptions are free too.

The USA is the only western first world nation that doesn' t have national healthcare. It' s pathetic. And the reason is because it' s big business for pharmaceutical companies. If you think otherwise then you' re fucking clown.

VX, while I see how that sounds ideal and all in terms of health care I have to ask how the tax brackets work in your country. Here in the US the more you make the larger percentage of your salary is taxed. I see that as being quite unfair. The reasoning behind it is apparently the more money you make the less you really need. How is it the government' s right to decide that? As you make more money and rise the in the class standings you are basically being punished for it by having to pay more and more. It' s their money, they earned it, and I don' t see why the government is taking that from them. I' m all for the idea of a flat tax. I think everyone should have a fixed percentage of their income taxed, not this varied crap we have.

That brings up my tax money being used as charity. People can get away with getting paid unemployment for a long ass time here. The system is frequently abused. Also, here in the US it seems like a majority of the people you see on the streets, at least with my experience doing random volunteer work at soup kitchens and such, most people have the ability to work but would rather live off charity and unemployment. I mean really? How hard is it to get a job at a fast food place or Wal Mart? Yet my tax money funds that stuff.

Interesting but true, I was listening to the radio while down in Fort Lauderdale and a guy was being interviewed that went undercover as a homeless person to find out just how bad it was for the homeless there since Fort Lauderdale and Miami is a fairly rich area. What the guy found was shocking. The homeless people were on weekends making up to a thousand dollars a day collecting money on key street corners and such. They also had multiple children on purpose to get more money off unemployment and used the children to collect hand outs because people are more likely to give children cash rather than adults. How f*cked up is that? I mean you literally see homeless people walking around with iPods down there and people don' t catch on. If they have an iPod they have to have a computer to charge it and get songs on there. All the while my tax money is still going to them. I have nothing against personal charity, but I don' t feel it should be the role of the government to support that kind of crap.

I come from a family where my grandparents on both sides of my family came from fairly poor backgrounds. My grandparents on my mom side were in poverty in Poland before coming over to the US as children. My Grandfather who had absolutely nothing when he came to this country died with a worth of several million, and you' d never have guessed it by meeting him. He busted his ass doing manual labor and saved all he could while making investments and trying to support a family of 8. The only thing he ever did was manual labor his entire life and he died a millionaire. My grandfather on my dad' s side didn' t die with quite as much money but he also supported a family of 7 and was quite wealthy by the time he passed. They started at the very bottom and worked their way up without handouts. Having this background I' m very grounded in the idea that hard work pays off in the end and that' s how it should be. I don' t think the government should have a part in that.

ORIGINAL: Nitro

Rubbish. You either do your job properly or you find yourself without it.

That' s a very, very flawed argument. It' s also a core reason why Communism while at it' s purest form is quite ideal, will never work. Why should someone put the time and effort into becoming a doctor if they aren' t going to have anything extra to show for it? If pay for doctors in this country drops because of a fully covered health care system there' s going to be a lot less incentive to go into that field. 8 years minimum of schooling to get a job doing extremely complicated stuff and only earn a wage that some guy in another field doing much easier work is making... why? The world isn' t perfect and shouldn' t be treated as such.

I suppose you' ve seen the worst side to socialism Rampage, but there are equally disturbing realities to capitalism too. Abuse goes both ways.

f pay for doctors in this country drops because of a fully covered health care system there' s going to be a lot less incentive to go into that field. 8 years minimum of schooling to get a job doing extremely complicated stuff and only earn a wage that some guy in another field doing much easier work is making... why? The world isn' t perfect and shouldn' t be treated as such.

Depends what kinda doctor you wanna be. I think its worth it, sure I' d rather earn more than I do, but meh I dont need all that much tbh, I' ve got the life I want.

ORIGINAL: Rampage99

ORIGINAL: Nitro

Rubbish. You either do your job properly or you find yourself without it.

That' s a very, very flawed argument. It' s also a core reason why Communism while at it' s purest form is quite ideal, will never work. Why should someone put the time and effort into becoming a doctor if they aren' t going to have anything extra to show for it? If pay for doctors in this country drops because of a fully covered health care system there' s going to be a lot less incentive to go into that field. 8 years minimum of schooling to get a job doing extremely complicated stuff and only earn a wage that some guy in another field doing much easier work is making... why? The world isn' t perfect and shouldn' t be treated as such.

Again, America is the only western first world country without universal healthcare. It works everywhere else.

God save America.

He' s not right. You want to know why I vote Republican? Because when broken down to a basic level Republicans are for smaller government and don' t expect the government to coddle people.

If you think Republicans represent traditional conservatism you' re living in a fucking dream world. They pissed away hundreds of billions in an illegal war. They spend more than the democrates would have except the spending didn' t benefit Americans. Bush basically stole money from social security to kill half a million Iraqis for no reason at all. The current republican party needs to be lynched.

My philosophy is that there is no supreme system. Every country in every year is different, and thus demands different strategies for optimal success. In most cases we need to change governments just to fix the fuck ups from the last guys.

America is the richest country in the world. It' s pretty disgusting that they don' t have basic things like health care. Americans have fucked themselves.

It' s about the balance of power. I don' t like a big government making useless laws and effectively taking a giant shit on our freedom but at the same time I don' t want to a small government to step aside and let big corporations take advantage of citizens. The ideal is to keep the balance of power with the people.