Sony have come back to Microsoft' s Ozymandias comments about PS3 having longer loading times because of Sonys decision to use a 2 x Blu-Ray drive rather than a 12 x DVD drive. They aren' t however disputing it, they' re agreeing.

Mark Deloura, FORMER Sony Relations Manager (now working for Ubisoft) and stringent Sony defender had this to say...

" Admittedly, Blu-Ray looks dicey from several non-capacity angles. Blu-Ray movies require a 1.5x Blu-Ray drive, or 54Mbits/second. Sony announced that PS3 uses a 2x BD drive, which is 72Mbits/second or 9MB/second. The Xbox 360 uses a 12x DVD, which should give it about 16MB/second. That is significantly faster for games and will result in shorter load times. And that 12x DVD drive should be a whole lot cheaper."

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This whole thing started last week with Insomniac announcing that their PS3 title Resistance: Fall of Man would use up 22 GB, and Kaz Hirai saying that Microsoft will end up putting games on multiple discs due to DVD9' s size constraints.

One or two of us here have had this debate before and came to the exact same conclusion but it' s nice to hear our thoughts from months ago echoed publically by these guys.

Take a look at Ozymandias and Mark DeLoura' s blogs and read the respective posts for yourselves.

Ozymandias

Mark DeLoura' s



So Blu-Ray was the right decision in terms of capacity but the drawback is that the games will have longer loading times.

But ps3 has a HDD.
Which will probably equalize everything.

I can' t wait to get my hands on a PS3 just to see how bad/good it is. Long loading times because of Blu-ray, short loading times because of the HDD. Damnit! Make up your minds!

The HDD won' t make that much of a difference. The data still has to be read by the drive and transfered to the HDD and that can only be done at a maximum of 9MB/s.

Well the HDD never gaved us better loading times on the xbox.
However in games like Oblivion without the Cache,it would have been a bit annoying in some parts.

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Well the HDD never gaved us better loading times on the xbox.
However in games like Oblivion without the Cache,it would have been a bit annoying in some parts.

It definatey makes a difference in Oblivion and especially in CoD2 (which from the second the disc starts spinning to gameplay is around 15 seconds)

Some developers havent managed to figure it out properly yet but they will.

The HDD won' t make that much of a difference. The data still has to be read by the drive and transfered to the HDD and that can only be done at a maximum of 9MB/s.

It can be done in the background - many japanese developers use amazing techniques to transfer data while we' re playing - I' m pretty sure loading times won' t be an issue with PS3 - it should be better than with 360 (great devs , HDD)

Well the HDD never gaved us better loading times on the xbox.

How can you tell? did you remove your HDD and tried playing games?

I played my games entirely of Hdd and loadtimes were blazing fast.

If the devolpers are willing, they can easily avoid this loading problem.

yep , and they can do it on both systems easily , but 360 devs aren' t as skilled and some japanese veterans (that also help EU and US studios making games for PS systems)

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yep , and they can do it on both systems easily , but 360 devs aren' t as skilled and some japanese veterans (that also help EU and US studios making games for PS systems)

You' re dreaming. Even Kojima admitted that western developers had pulled ahead in terms of know how.

Maybe what you' re saying would have been the case if both systems weren' t basically made up of PC architecture. Japanese developers don' t even have any experience with HDD' s. It' ll take ages before they figure it out properly.

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yep , and they can do it on both systems easily , but 360 devs aren' t as skilled and some japanese veterans (that also help EU and US studios making games for PS systems)

Hmmmm again I think you might be a bit mistaken with that but we' ll see how the ' ' japanese veterans' ' compare this gen.

You' re dreaming. Even Kojima admitted that western developers had pulled ahead in terms of know how.

I' m not dreaming man , I' ve seen games from both and I just now.

Dragon Quest VIII - this games is as hard for PS2 to run as Oblivion is for 360 yet it has no loadings.It' s so smooth it' s crazy.

Japanese developers don' t even have any experience with HDD' s. It' ll take ages before they figure it out properly.

Every devkit since god knows when is equiped with HDD and Itagaki was one of the people who made Xbox loadtimes much faster using hdd cache.

Trust me - Japanese people are not the ones who lack technology skills - most of the new technologies come from them.

Saying that they can' t handle HDD is stupid.They make games without loading screens with DVD drive alone - and I' m sure they could do it with blue ray , adding HDD gives them a lot of options.

Hmmmm again I think you might be a bit mistaken with that but we' ll see how the ' ' japanese veterans' ' compare this gen.

I' m not talking about visuals here - I' m talking about shortening loadtimes.

Well shit, color me silly! I had no idea Sony had grabed all of the planet' s good developers for themselves! Was this done sometime between the lying and the bad decisions? But I suppose you are right; what the hell do Cliffy B. or Bioware now about making games anyway?

Gangsta,360 hasn' t hard time running Oblivion.

However it plays in Maxium graphic with HDR+AA which pc version doesnt support since Nvidia graphic cards can' t handle that,even the best out there.

Yes there is some lagg in OB,but then again its a huge world,and i never feelt like the 360 work its ass off for OB.

Heck even the best pc' s out there has problem running it properly.
I know even a nightmare scenarios people having dual sli 7800 gts and it laggs for them.

WTF?
2 rsx and still laggs.

Then its opitimizng problem

And how can i say that?
because if you have that power and still lagg problems,then it can hardly be the CPU since it run as good as lower spec (360).

But ps3 has a HDD.
Which will probably equalize everything.

Sure, if you don' t mind waiting for it to load the first time. It should be interesting how they' re going to allocate HDD memory. It' d be nice if they' d give us the option as to how much memory we want to allocate for cache and how much we' ll be using for music/movie/demo capabilities. Y' know a little bar that you move left or right, I don' t see why something like that wouldn' t work. I mean I know they' re probably going to have a minimum allocation already set, but it' d be nice if we could bump it up a little more.

But I suppose you are right; what the hell do Cliffy B. or Bioware now about making games anyway?

They sure can' t make short loadtimes.

However it plays in Maxium graphic with HDR+AA which pc version doesnt support since Nvidia graphic cards can' t handle that,even the best out there.

Not after new patches.And you should check IGN' s head to head video (they show side by side) how high end PC version walks all over the 360 game.

I don' t care about visuals that much - but you have to live with it.What you say is BS - it doesn' t look better on PC , that difference is huge.

...the Japanese-made Ninja Gaiden had some pretty long loading times... ....in fact if you played a different game between NG sessions, sometimes loads took most of 5 minutes to load!....

....Halo 2 was pretty atrocious in this respect also, but when you take into account how amazing the visuals were for both games, the huge sized levels and the amazing AI, the longer loading screens became pretty forgettable....

....this argument is irrelevant.....

5 min?

come on.
Took at most like 30 sec.

And each map was big.

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5 min?

come on.
Took at most like 30 sec.

And each map was big.

He means the very first load.