Isn' t the Wii just a GameCube with a new controller? Sure seems like it.

Isnt the 360 an xbox with better graphics? Isnt the PS3 a playstation with six-axis controlls?
You can' t honestly say nothing happened in the Gamecube-->Wii progression.... oh- youre serious? All those channels, virtual console, unique controller, improved graphics, improved alltogether performance! unless all that falls under the category of a " different controller" i' d say you were mistaken

I wasn' t talking about the games, because we all know Nintendo will save its shitty hardware with a few brilliant games. However if you take away Nintendo' s games (which will always exist regardless) as well as multiplatform games you aren' t left with much. Nintendo is notorious for making really stupid decisions with console design. The result is that game developers shy away from Nintendo. Look at the success Sony has achieved with the PS1 and PS2. It isn' t a matter of Sony making all the right moves it was a matter of Nintendo making all the wrong moves.

That' s why we' re seeing such a shake up this gen, Sony is still making dumb decisions while Nintendo is saving itself by giving grabbing the price advantage while MS seems to be doing much better then with Xbox (although they have a lot of problems with the 360).

Taking everything into consideration I' m left with the distinct feeling that you get what you pay for, and if you want to experience unadaltered gaming the only safe platform is PC. I just can' t believe it took me 10 years to finally admit that.


" Isnt the 360 an xbox with better graphics? Isnt the PS3 a playstation with six-axis controlls?
You can' t honestly say nothing happened in the Gamecube-->Wii progression.... oh- youre serious? All those channels, virtual console, unique controller, improved graphics, improved alltogether performance! unless all that falls under the category of a " different controller" i' d say you were mistaken"

Wii is literally an overclocked Gamecube, Wii has the same GPU and CPU with different RAM configuration over GC, even when Wii is the cheapest out of the three it' s still overpriced for what you actually get. Look at consoles as stipped down PC' s because that' s what they are. No one in their right mind would replace their computer with one that has the same components only clocked higher. PS3 and the 360 has completely new chips, you know, it' s a step up, not a side step. Wii has 88mb of RAM while the other two have 512mb. That alone will make a huge difference with what is possible in games. I feel like Nintendo is trying to con people who don' t know anything about computer hardware.

I like the idea of the Wiimote, but without the proccessing power to make compelling games it' s a moot point. Maybe the consoles haven' t been around long enough for some of you guys to understand the extent of how much more capable the PS3/360 is over Wii. So look at it this way. How would you have felt if instead of GameCube Nintendo released a slightly stronger N64 with the Nunchucks?

Don' t get me wrong I' m interested in the Wii, when it drops in price and they have a black model I' ll pick it up but at $280cnd+15% tax it feels like a rip off.

They are not dumb decisions, they are just sacrifices made to attract a " different breed of gamers" had it made the desicions of microsoft and sony, where would the variety lie?

The price advantage only lies in the fact that nintendo doesent need expensive hardware to be great, it simply is. Its marketing success lies in its unique appeal and design aka more people are interested or curious about a " fun" system rather than a " beefy" system with hardware added beyond the point of necesity

if you want to experience unadaltered gaming the only safe platform is PC. I just can' t believe it took me 10 years to finally admit that

I agree, PC is a " play it safe" platform but while playing it safe you can miss great things I admit i was taking a gamble by getting a Wii but it was a good desicion

What the fuck, are you Reggie Fils-Amie or whatever? Get the italian plumber dick out of your ass for a minute and have a real opinion instead of using marketing lines.

And yes dumbass, GC was used in MLG. Super Smash Bros sure wasnt played on a PC in the tournament dumbfuck.

Hve to say it was the worst console ive ever owned, bought it for £40 with Resident Evil 4.

Bought around another 10 games, mario,zelda and other ' ' big hitters' ' all sucked complete monkey balls.

F-Zero was funish but not as good as the snes version for me.

I think my worst console purchase had to be the original Xbox..


Whereas the Xbox 360 remains one of my best purchases..

Wii has 88mb of RAM

Seriously? Wow... How did I miss that one.

Seriously? Wow... How did I miss that one.

Yeah and that info was hard to come by, Nintendo wanted to keep the specs secret but a developer must have leaked this information. To put things into perspective:

PS2 has 32mb,
GameCube has 40mb (+3mb of embeded),
Xbox has 64mb,
Wii has 88mb
PS3 and 360 has 512mb

If this looks like a shocking difference, there is even a greater gap with the CPUs and GPUs of Wii Vs. PS3 or 360.

What the fuck, are you Reggie Fils-Amie or whatever? Get the italian plumber dick out of your ass for a minute and have a real opinion instead of using marketing lines.

And yes dumbass, GC was used in MLG. Super Smash Bros sure wasnt played on a PC in the tournament dumbfuck.

Wow your not very smart. i had a gamecube since it came out, and liked it so much i bought a replacement for when it broke. These are all my own opinions im not getting paid to say any of this, or whatever you think. Its also all true

I know SSBM was used in MLG i saw that show on MTV too, but in comparison to other consoles, the GC was a very small blip on the MLG radar, which is what i meant when i said that (stupid ppl... aye)

Wii has 88mb
PS3 and 360 has 512mb

So what? what are you going to do with a rediculously big harddrive? let me know when you fill it up COMEPLETELY with USEFUL things (wont hear back from him) and another thing.... uh... yea.... memory cards exist! oh yea instead of being forced to pay for tons of RAM you can just buy the amount you need and save money...... weird......

Another " dumb desicion" by nintendo, or a good idea to save your money for important things. my opinion still stands. You cant rag on nintendo untill you actually think about why they would do that

ORIGINAL: A_Wiiner

Wii has 88mb
PS3 and 360 has 512mb

So what? what are you going to do with a rediculously big harddrive? let me know when you fill it up COMEPLETELY with USEFUL things (wont hear back from him) and another thing.... uh... yea.... memory cards exist! oh yea instead of being forced to pay for tons of RAM you can just buy the amount you need and save money...... weird......

Another " dumb desicion" by nintendo, or a good idea to save your money for important things. my opinion still stands. You cant rag on nintendo untill you actually think about why they would do that

Erm, RAM is different to a Hard drive or memory card. It is volatile memory, meaning when you power down the system, all of the data stored on there is lost. HDD' s/Memory Cards are non volatile.

RAM is not used for saving games or downloading programs. In a very basic sense, RAM is a place used to store data that programs need while running. From RAM, the data can be accessed, manipulated, processed, etc by the GPU/CPU/other parts of the system. For games, this involves many different things. One good example is textures. The more RAM you have, the larger more detailed textures you can have and hence you can end up with better visuals.

The bigger the work area, the more stuff you can do.

A_Wiiner

..lol ..you should be a kikizo wiiner just your name man :D

So what? what are you going to do with a rediculously big harddrive? let me know when you fill it up COMEPLETELY with USEFUL things (wont hear back from him) and another thing.... uh... yea.... memory cards exist! oh yea instead of being forced to pay for tons of RAM you can just buy the amount you need and save money...... weird......

Another " dumb desicion" by nintendo, or a good idea to save your money for important things. my opinion still stands. You cant rag on nintendo untill you actually think about why they would do that

LOL, well UnluckyOne pretty much explained the difference between RAM and a HDD. Just incase you might still be confused I' ll put it in very simple terms. Everything you see and everything you are doing at any given time has to fit in the RAM. That' s what it' s doing when it' s loading, data is being moved from the disc or HDD to the RAM. Levels, characters, sound effects, music, A.I., game engine...everything has to fit in the RAM unless it is being streamed from the disc.

RAM happens to be expensive so they wouldn' t put more then needed in relation to the CPU and GPU. In other words the RAM placed in a console is relatively proportional to everything else. As such, when looking at consoles, RAM is actually a very good indicator of approximately what a console is capable of.

Furthermore, you have no reason to be confrontational with what I said. I wasn' t even talking about Nintendo as a platform. I was talking about the physical hardware. Something you clearly know very little about. I love Nintendo, infact I was raised by Nintendo. That' s why I hate to see them make such a disgraceful effort.


PS. your user name doesn' t sound like " A_winner" , it sounds like " A_weiner" .

ORIGINAL: A_Wiiner

You can' t honestly say nothing happened in the Gamecube-->Wii progression.... oh- youre serious? All those channels, virtual console, unique controller, improved graphics, improved alltogether performance! unless all that falls under the category of a " different controller" i' d say you were mistaken

Channels and VC mean nothing to me. All I care about are the games... the REAL games, not the 1990' s games that I already own. I haven' t really seen any " improved" graphics. What game shows visuals that the Gamecube itself couldn' t do?

The Xbox360 is a little bit more than just better graphics. Although I admit they did break the custom soundtrack feature into an unusable mess on the 360. Basically my point is that they could have released the Wii Remote for the Gamecube and the games would look the same as Wii games do today.

C' mon people, let' s just turn are attention to the real assbags of the industry, Sony. They may be going down like the hindenburg, but c' mon don' t detract your flames to Nintendo or Microsoft' s consoles, all about the PS3.

To add to all this, I still hold by Gamecube being the best console of last generation, the games were great. PS2 was a worthy...but shitty buy. Xbox was only worth it for Halo. And if you toss Dreamcast into the fray...well, then it beats Gamecube :P.

C' mon people, let' s just turn are attention to the real assbags of the industry, Sony. They may be going down like the hindenburg, but c' mon don' t detract your flames to Nintendo or Microsoft' s consoles, all about the PS3.

To add to all this, I still hold by Gamecube being the best console of last generation, the games were great. PS2 was a worthy...but shitty buy. Xbox was only worth it for Halo. And if you toss Dreamcast into the fray...well, then it beats Gamecube :P

I can' t tell if you are joking, so I will hold my response until I find out. You should make it clear though, because this could be the start of a huge rebuttal from a lot of people on this forum.

A_Wiiner... just read the avatar

So what? what are you going to do with a rediculously big harddrive? let me know when you fill it up COMEPLETELY with USEFUL things (wont hear back from him) and another thing.... uh... yea.... memory cards exist! oh yea instead of being forced to pay for tons of RAM you can just buy the amount you need and save money...... weird......

Another " dumb desicion" by nintendo, or a good idea to save your money for important things. my opinion still stands. You cant rag on nintendo untill you actually think about why they would do that

Umm... what exactly are you gonna do when you run out of money constantly buying memory cards? Um yeah actually that is a pretty dumb decision on nintendos behalf. When you think about it, (quote from AVP) Id rather have space on my HD and not need it, than need it and not have it

I can' t tell if you are joking, so I will hold my response until I find out. You should make it clear though, because this could be the start of a huge rebuttal from a lot of people on this forum.

Since Evil Man has more or less stopped posting I think it' s fair to say that Avarice is now the most entertaining forum member here. Or at least close to the top.

Umm... what exactly are you gonna do when you run out of money constantly buying memory cards? Um yeah actually that is a pretty dumb decision on nintendos behalf. When you think about it, (quote from AVP) Id rather have space on my HD and not need it, than need it and not have it

Indeed. I mean, I used to think my 80gig HD on my comp would be big enough. However, in the last 2 months I' ve downloaded that much, and now I have over 600gigs in HD' s hooked up to the comp. Besides that, on my ps3, I' ve filled up a lot with HD movie trailers, demo' s, pictures, music etc. It is never a bad thing to have a lot of storage space, regardless of what product it is on.

Another quote much like yours is one in D12' s first album - For all of you who don' t like rap, or D12, ignore this -

That' s why I' m heated, you never know who starts creepin
waking you up with AKs while you lie sleeping
I' d rather pack the heat and not need it
rather than need one and not have it
I' m married to this Glock-matic

edit: I should add that it was over 3 years ago when I though an 80gig HD would be enough.