Awwww, bummer. I thought Bizarre Creations would at least, out of goodwill, make their first Xbox 360 game run at 60fps. So that i could at least enjoy THAT, while they beefed up the graphics in preparation for their ' more photorealistic than reality' PGR4 that runs at 30 fps.

But i guess they just couldn' t help themselves. Well it isn' t surprising. I mean Metropolis Street Racer for the DreamCast was 30fps anyway. PG2 was 30fps too. I guess it' s part of their philosophy. I' m sure Microsoft just forced them to make PGR1 60fps.

I' m still keeping my eye on PGR3 though. To see if the motion blur really does make a difference.

And my hopes are up for Test Drive Unlimited too.

Curious though, how could those HD videos of PGR3 be running at 60fps then? I guess now they can' t be used as an accurate gauge of a game' s real framerate. They were probably just 60fps because they were encoded with fields.

I' m pretty sure that Gotham 1 was 30fps. I have it, or at least I think I do. I' ll have to check as I' m not 100% sure. All I know is that DoA4 is the only Xbox360 game that runs at 60fps. Itagaki took some of the crack cocaine he smokes from his bloodstream and injected it into the game to make it run faster. :)

I think Call of Duty 2 is also 60fps! that' s one of the recent facts that got me excited about the 360. Teamxbox' preview said that not only do the graphics look noticeably better than the pc version, but it runs at 60fps too. Which is really a big thing because i think the last console first-person-shooter that was 60fps was the first Medal of Honor on the PS2.

Hmmm, or perhaps this is all some marketing ploy? that maybe, MS is gonna pull a shocker on the whole industry right before release when they say, " We' re just kidiiiing!! all the launch games are 60fps!!" hehe. (okay time for me to wake up from this dream). :P

Maybe Itagaki doesn' t allow his programmers to eat until the game meets his standards for the day. Hehe. I hope they don' t silently conspire to kill him in his sleep. :P

Who said the game runs at 30 fps?

Who said the game runs at 30 fps?

The master of framerate himself. The framerate guru. The framerate shaman. The framerate extraordinaire affecionado critic, Adam Doree. It' s on the latest preview of Gotham 3 on this site. XO3 impressions.

Uhh.. who really cares?

60fps, 30fps. As long as its fun it' s fine by me. It' s not like it' ll be a slideshow when you play it.

Did he not mean it was 30 fps when he tried it?
They will probably higher it when they optimize the game.
I mean gears of war running at 30 fps now,but they know that they can higher it later in devl.

it' s not like it' s Wipeout or f zero x, i use fraps to see the framerates in some of my pc games, 30fps is enough for adventure games , and even fps (single player), for cars well i don' t think it would be a problem as well don' t be greedy graphics are awesome and i think we can easily understand developers for this first round

All that power available to them and Bizarre Creations is only able to muster 30 frames per second... Watch Namco show them how to do it when they have Ridge Racer 6 running past a steady 60 frames per second. They' ll probably supercharge that sucker with a steady 90 frames per second :p

having more then 60 fps doesnt help if your tv doesnt support more then 60 hz :P
and most european tv' s are pal at 50 hz.

Nevermind that. I just heard from an unreliable source that Ridge Racer 6 is gonna be running at 180 frames per second! Awesome!

the eye cannot detect the difference when it' s above 60FPS, so make it more but that will reduce the quality of the game

Did he not mean it was 30 fps when he tried it?

Well the XO3 impression was posted just last week. And accdg. to it, with just about a month left before launch, that' s about it. I don' t think that a month' s time is enough if you' re trying to suddenly make a 30fps game 60fps.


Interesting note: if the screenshots of Test Drive Unlimited are any indication of what the final game will look like, then i think that somehow (even though PGR3 has drastically more detail because of buildings, crowds, etc.) TDU seems to be more photoreal than PGR3. But then of course, my eternal question again would be, would that be running at 30 or 60? hehe.

But thus far, i think Ridge Racer 6 is still behind in terms of graphics. They will have to beef up the graphics if they want to compete with PGR3 and TDU. As far as i' m concerned, Ridge Racer 6' s graphics as of now isn' t that much of a leap from current gen games like Burnout Revenge.

Well... its not like there is just a choice of 30 or 60 fps,they can fix it to 40 fps or little more...

45. Final demand. Non-negotiable. :P

TV' s in homes today use the standard 60Hz (Hertz) refresh rate. This equates to 60/2 which equals 30 Frames Per Second

Got this from an fps site. This doesn' t make sense to me though, cause if this is the case anything over 30 fps is a waste on a regular tV, and i can definetly tell the dif when seeing 60 fps vs. 30fps.

Pretty neat article, but long, all about how many fps the human eye can detect.

FPS and the human eye

Well I know a TV displays at 30fps. But because a TV projects fields, what you see in each frame is 2 fields (the previous frame, as well as the next frame), and the overall effect on our eyes is that of 60fps.

It doesnt matter what they say.
Ghost recon is for ex 30 fps,and you can feel it.
I can tell the diffrence between 30 and 60 fps anytime.

All I know is that the video for PGR3 looked SWEET! I' m positive that Bizarre knows what they' re doing and will turn out an excellent game. As you guys have stated, most current gen games run at 30fps, and there are MANY excellent offerings. While it is true that we hope that the advanced technologies of the next gen will result in " bigger, stronger, and faster" games, I think the effort of the developers should be focused on what they feel is important to the gameplay, as opposed to just doing things because they can.

The confusing term is " frames" when talking about TVs. The point is that there are 60 different moments in time on a standard TV. You can have 60 different pages of text per second on a standard TV and have them all show up and readable (if you stepped through them one at a time).

Ridge Racer 6 is running at 180fps just out of spite for Gotham 3 or 4 or whatever it' s called. Sure, you can' t see 180fps unless you have a monitor that runs at 180Hz, but Namco put them in there just because. The human eye can see over 60Hz (60 screen updates per second). Ever notice how much smoother your CRT monitor looks when set at 80Hz or higher? Get used to that and put it back on 60Hz. Flicker hell!