720p vs. 1080i

Yawn.

Notice how he still avoids the argument, because he doesn' t have one.

ORIGINAL: Evil Man

Yawn.

Notice how he still avoids the argument, because he doesn' t have one.

What i notice is your inability to show [prove] that you know what you' re talking about. You talk around subjects making claims that are apparantly based on little or no hard fact. Take your discussion [not argument] with me about which next gen console is technically superior in terms of graphical output. You have repeatedly stated that anybody claiming thet Xbox 360 is a more advanced games machine is a " retard" and yet you have failed when asked.. to provide a detailed comparative analysis of the 2 systems showing exactly what you mean.

If by chance you' re not claiming that PS3' s components are superior when viewed as gaming architecture and are simply saying that the console is superordinate - then i would agree with you. But from my understanding that' s not what you mean, and since you found a need to oppose my standing on the topic in the ' Videogames' section of the forums i naturally assume that you are talking about the unit as a games console.

And you are wrong!

The simple fact of the matter is that the components found in both machines are set in stone. Their performance traits are factual and comparisons can be done as long as you take into account the architectural differences. Hell, the graphics card in my new laptop performs better than RSX!

What does thais have to do with the discussion at hand?! The fact that you dance around the details and say that Joe is wrong without proving it. If you could, i' m sure you would have done already. My guess is that you are simply incapable and have looked everywhere you can think of for information you can use to combat his argument and have so far come up empty handed.



EDIT: i managed to spell " naturally" wrong...

Notice how he still avoids the argument, because he doesn' t have one.

*Yawn*

I' d expect no less from an admitted gay pussy fag.

Notice how he recycles old material from me, the guy has no argument, as I said earlier - he doesn' t know what he' s talking about.

Majik - PS3 is better than X360 because X360 is trash, it has no good games, period.

What does thais have to do with the discussion at hand?! The fact that you dance around the details and say that Joe is wrong without proving it.

Um, read any thread regarding HDTVs and you will see your proof.

Actually I already explained. If you missed it:

He claims an upscale from 1280x720 to 1366x768 is utterly unnaceptable to him, and as such he labels 768p TVs (which 99% of 720p TVs actually are) as garbage. That is the sole reason he has for disliking it.

Yet, he reccomends 1080i TVs despite the fact that most console videogame material within the next 5 years will be made at 1280x720, progressive. Do you not find it hypocritical that he absolutely cannot stand the minor upscale from 720 to 768, but is perfectly fine with an upscale from 1280x720 to 1920x1080, and is also perfectly ok with losing progressive scan in the process?

Actually, I can' t really call him a hypocrite, that would be giving him too much credit, hypocrisy is done on purpose, I doubt he even has the mental capacity to be a hypocrite, this guy is just an idiot - he has no idea what he' s talking about and that is why it' s so easy to find loops in his logic, as my above example shows.

Majik - PS3 is better than X360 because X360 is trash, it has no good games, period

If that' s what you' re basing it on then i have no choice but to accept your argument as that' s a simple matter of taste and preference. However, you might not say the same in 6 months when 360 is well into it' s 2nd generation of titles.

Reading this post (which yes, i did miss) ...

you make assinine statements about how a 1368x768 TV upscaling a 720p image by 3% (I' m counting overscan in its favor) makes it " trash" . That' s something only a noob that doesn' t know what he' s talking about would say, you can' t even acknowledge that for someone who wants to hook up their PCs to an LCD they want that resolution in the first place. Instead of saying something informative like " well, I prefer native 720p, but 768p only upscales the image by 3% making it almost impossible for the human eye to detect a difference, and it' s also a better native resolution for PCs" but no you just call it trash - because you dont know what you' re talking about.

I for instance use my 768p LCD for PC -AND- TV/Consoles, they are both equally important to me to have hooked up, if I had a 720p TV I wont have the best rez for PCs, and if I get a 768p I wont have the best rez for PCs - having to choose between the two I go for 768 because I cannot detect a difference in the 3% upscale, and I like to have a good rez for content coming off my PC. You' d never hear me say " oh 720p TVs are garbage because I dont have one and 768p suites my needs better" .

I can see what you' re getting at.

What if you had a native 1080p display, which i think Joe does?! Wouldn' t 1080i be preferable then?

I wish I had a 1080p display. I have a 1080i CRT... reason being CRTs put out the highest quality picture, no lag/blur/whathaveyou. Since I do more than just play 720p videogames on the TV, it helps to have other resolutions available that aren' t scaled down as well. It is also multiscan in a limited sense in that it runs 480p at 480p instead of upconverting it to something else. My next display will definitely be 1080p, but I want to wait for the technology to catch up. LCD/DLP/Plasma/XRD simply aren' t good enough right now. SED holds a lot of promise, though.

PROTIP: Evil Man hates CRTs, but I don' t think anybody really cares. I do find his posts hilarious so I hope he doesn' t stop with the rantings. You gotta look at his posts like you are in a zoo and he is a monkey jumping all around flinging poo for our entertainment. If you do this, his posts are very amusing and make it fun to read the forums. Entice him to keep doing so, please.

Did you see his " Grumble grumble" post?!

Funniest thing i ever saw!

PROTIP: Evil Man hates CRTs, but I don' t think anybody really cares. I do find his posts hilarious so I hope he doesn' t stop with the rantings. You gotta look at his posts like you are in a zoo and he is a monkey jumping all around flinging poo for our entertainment. If you do this, his posts are very amusing and make it fun to read the forums. Entice him to keep doing so, please.

Lol

He proves his ignorance again - " 1080i" CRTs that display 480p " natively" are not actually 1080i TVs, a real 1080i TV displays 480p as 540p, obviously the garbage he owns is not a true 1080i TV.

I don' t see how a guy that doesnt even own a real 1080i can even go about reccomending them, lol.

I don' t see how a guy that doesnt even own a real 1080i can even go about reccomending them, lol.

You don' t need to own something to be knowledgeable about it. You keep preaching about the PS3 and it doesn' t even exist yet. We' ve all reccomended something we don' t actually own, that doesn' t mean we' re wrong.

PS3 is the only option for gamers, not the same things as TVs. There are hundreds of different viable variations for TVs, for consoles, Wii or 360 are simply not viable, therfore PS3 doesn' t need reccomendation, it' s simply the only logical choice.

The 540p is overscanned. Do some research on the Sony 34XBR960.

I disagree, a tv is still a tv, there are only so many specs we can look at before there is a clear winner. Speding too much money on an LCD is not very bright as LCDs are shit, they just are. I don' t even care about 1080p because with ghosting and bad black levels CRTs are still better even at a 1080i. And with LED LCDs and SED TVs coming out no one will argue that everything else is shit compared to these two as they don' t make comprimises, they just kickass.

PS3 compared to the other two consoles is subjective. Even if you are completely convinced that PS3 is the best on the sole grounds that 360 has no games, there are people that are enjoying the 360 and some of its games very much. So obviously you can' t speak for everyone. Infact if I were to make a list of the 20 games I most look foward to they would mostly be coming out on 360 or PC, only a few on PS3 and Wii.n

There' s many specs, resolution, interlaced or progressive scan, projection, DLP, LCD, CRT, manufacturer quality, etc.

For consoles theres only 3, Wii is last generation so it' s not an option - you might as well buy a PS2. X360 has no good games, whats the point of a console with no good games? PS3 is the only option.

Specs for televisions are all quantitative, the higher the number the better the TV (except response rate, which you want to be lower) ,its not rocket science.

Consoles on the other hand have hundreds of unique games which are judged based on qualitative measures. Even the criteria itself on how we judge games is opinion based, as we don' t like the same things. You can' t prove that the ps3 is better then 360 any more then I can prove that 360 is better then ps3, because all of our premises for our arguments would be opinion based therefore rendered invalid.

The PS3 doesn' t have any good games, either. In fact it has no games at all! At least not until it is released. Until then any comparisons are based on speculation. Some speculations may be correct. We' ll see.

ORIGINAL: Joe Redifer

The 540p is overscanned. Do some research on the Sony 34XBR960.

Nay.

It is not really native, it' s native the same way a 480 TV displays " 240p" natively, and it doesn' t compare to an actual 480p TV, any EDTV blows the shit out of the 480p a 1080i TV produces.

ANY EDTV? I just want to clarify your " any" before I respond.

It is not really native, it' s native the same way a 480 TV displays " 240p" natively, and it doesn' t compare to an actual 480p TV, any EDTV blows the shit out of the 480p a 1080i TV produces.

90% of old 480i TV' s display 240p natively just like a tru 240p arcade monitor. Same goes for most 1080i TV' s doing 480p. The reason is that the sync rates for 240p and 480i, likewise for 480p and 1080i are very close, so it' s easy to produce a tube with limited scan frequency to handle both perfectly at a cheaper cost.

You could produce a 240p to 1080i native set very easily and without a huge increase in cost. 720p on the other hand is a very different beast, as the sync rates are not close to that of 480p or 1080i requiring a full multi-sync scanning tube to produce each resolution natively without any quality loss at each one. And the larger the size with more resolutions the harder it is to maintain brightness and image fidelity with regards to geometry.

Did you know that a Toshiba 32ZP a 480i/480p set is actually multi-sync to a certain degree in the fact that it can handle a 768p signal natively along with 480i/p although 768p is not officially supported. Meaning that many CRT' s that are ED can have the capacity to scan at higher frequencies but have been modified internally as not to do so.

480p and 1080i is as easy to achieve on a set as 240p and 480i are on an SDTV.

ORIGINAL: Joe Redifer

ANY EDTV? I just want to clarify your " any" before I respond.

Any EDTV I' ve ever used.

They show the best 480p I' ve seen in TVs. If I were to rate it,

1080p LCD @ 480p = 1/10
720p @ 480p = 3/10
1080i CRT @ 480p = 6/10
EDTV @ 480p = 10/10

Evil man you are the biggest nub known to mankind.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

" Hur hur you' re teh nub"

Loco, stfu, seriously. You' re retarded.

Anyway.

Hey everybody, I know, let' s get into a resolution fight!