It' s not about believing or disbelieving, it' s about having respect for somebody' s work. I mean, how somebody can say, " you' re a liar, it never happened, i wish you were dead" (not an actual quote), when all Adam did was put together an article based on knowledge he knew to be correct at the time of writing is beyond my comprehension.

If the information was incorrect then blame the source, don' t blame Kikizo. Ok, so perhaps certain points could have been worded better but c' mon, the article is in no way any differently written than on other sites. People seem to target Kikizo because it' s an independent website, when they should actually be supporting it as other bigger websites actually receive money from a certain console manufacture and only report the good rather than the bad, or at least attempt to soften any damage by wording things differently.

Kikizo didn' t do anything wrong. It' s important that you understand that. I look forward to the episode of Videogaiden where all of this is covered. Kikizo wouldn' t be mentioned though because such defamatory statements like those made by Big Lime on Shemue Dojo without proof actually amount to libel.

It' s not about believing or disbelieving, it' s about having respect for somebody' s work. I mean, how somebody can say, " you' re a liar, it never happened, i wish you were dead" (not an actual quote), when all Adam did was put together an article based on knowledge he knew to be correct at the time of writing is beyond my comprehension.

So his article might as well have been speculation, with no soruces?

If the information was incorrect then blame the source, don' t blame Kikizo.

But what is the source? People are shooting the messenger because there' s no source.

People seem to target Kikizo because it' s an independent website, when they should actually be supporting it as other bigger websites actually receive money from a certain console manufacture and only report the good rather than the bad, or at least attempt to soften any damage by wording things differently.

That' s a conspiracy theory at best, proof plz. In fact, I' d say Kikizo would be MORE WILLING to take money, what with the HD movies, (actual) interviews and suchforth....without charging.

Kikizo didn' t do anything wrong. It' s important that you understand that. I look forward to the episode of Videogaiden where all of this is covered. Kikizo wouldn' t be mentioned though because such defamatory statements like those made by Big Lime on Shemue Dojo without proof actually amount to libel.

The BBC wouldn' t comment on mere rumors, much like SEGA themselves. And there is " proof" as you so put it, such as how Doree mentions the " ready to port " status versus the email clearly stating " there has been no work in progress" (Not exact quotes here)

But even if that proof was there, I' d still say they' d wouldn' t. It' s not professional. And if they did, they would refer to it blindly, i.e

" Certain internet rumors have said...however, our reply..."

And Kikizo could well have done something wrong, which is what we' re talking about.

I am sorry, but this to me stands out like a sore thumb:

Since when has mainstream media automatically been more reliable or accurate than specialist publications when it comes to gaming?

Never.

Some people are blindly interpreting the fact that this show is associated with BBC Scotland in a slightly ridiculous way.

Mainstream media, whether it' s newspapers, broadcast news, lads mags or even tech-specialist magazines or shows, continually put out gaming coverage that is littered with the most rudimentary of inaccuracies, bandwagon opinions and outright nonsense.

There are people here commenting on the media and reporting scene of the games industry based on what they believe to be the way things work, without the slightest idea about what things are actually like - either from an amateur or professional perspective. Bigger does not mean better when it comes to media. Frankly - especially when you look at the supporting evidence with what we' re looking at here - it' s the opposite.

The only decent BBC investigative output I' ve ever seen on gaming was the Outrageous Fortunes documentary on Nintendo, I think 2004. What they did was fly to Kyoto and interview the execs there. They flew to the US and tracked down Arakawa and his wife (Yamauchi' s daughter). They flew to Hollywood and interviewed Kikizo' s very own Carl Johnson (also the co-founder of the Miyamotoshrine fansite). Watch it here for evidence: http://www.kikizo.com/clients/golinharris_noa/kikizo.com-bbc_outrageousfortunes_nintendo.wmv

Now it' s not like these Videogaiden chaps have done anything of the sort. What they have done is email a PR representative from Sega UK and got a reply. This is the climax of their campaign from what I can make out.

I really don' t think anything else needs to be said.

They really should have asked when we are getting another NiGHTS or Panzer game. That would have been super.

It' s quite pathetic the response I' ve been reading at the Dojo. It' s just constant abuse about Kikizo. As if this somehow makes the article a lie.

Reading Big Limes first post in that thread actually shows he has nothing to do with Videogaiden whatsoever.

The BBC show VideoGaiden is reporting on their website that in the coming weeks they are going to begin an aggressive campaign to demand Shenmue 3 from Sega. They seem to be communicating the idea that because they' re part of BBC, a major force in the media, they will be able to get real answers from Sega about Shenmue 3.

They' re asking for support from all fans in their attempt to get some concrete info on the game' s status. Check out their website HERE for the few details they' ve given us as of now.

Interesting no?! Can you say zero credibility???

Bearing in mind the fact that Shenmue and it' s sequel were financial flops and certainly didn' t have impressive sales figures

Correct me if I' m wrong, but I was under the impression that the first Shenmue sold over a million, while the second one sold far less due to the bad timing of the DC demise and the subsequent Xbox exclusivity in the west.

Due to the insane cost of development, I can understand it being regarded as a financial failure but the sales figures of the first one were significant.

No, both shenmues sold like garbage.

Nobody wants to play that crap.

It sold better than the entire PS3 console.

I think everyone here is failing to understand one important thing. Next-gen Sonic The Hedgehog for the Xbox 360 does NOT suck, it' s a good game! That' s all I' ve got to say... Thank You!

The original Shenmue sold more than a million copies WORLDWIDE

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all Adam did was put together an article based on knowledge he knew to be correct at the time of writing is beyond my comprehension. If the information was incorrect then blame the source, don' t blame Kikizo.

No - if this were the case then sure, blame Kikizo. It is my job to ensure the authenticity of any information we are confident enough to publish. And once again this is a source of the highest, most direct credibility. We weren' t conned either. If there was any doubt, I would not have published it.

You guys would be amazed at the amount of stuff we (and sites like us) actually DO NOT publish because it would either be commercial suicide, or because a source is not watertight. It' s a good thing that there are still sites around that are interested in investigative scoops rather than regurgitated or PR-fed dross, IMO.

Rab from Videogaiden named his sources at Sega with the following post he made at the Shenmue Dojo forums.
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" Guys, I understand the anger. But please, the truth is that doing a campaign about Shenmue III is going to have zero effect on TV ratings in the UK - the reason being that Shenmue and Shenmue II sold very poorly in the UK, and is hardly going to be a a big PR exploit for our show.

Also, at the BBC we name our sources. In our case, our information came from Ben Andac, who is a senior games consultant at Sega Europe. He' s the guy who " watches trends" and pitches possible projects to the company. Seiki Saito at Sega Japan also confirmed that he wanted it to be clear that fans don' t misunderstand and think that Shenmue III is in the works at Sega. Believe me, neither man is " just a PR guy." Both are deeply involved in the future of Sega.

Sorry, folks. I understand the frustration, but please don' t turn on the show because of all of this. We were only trying to clear up the mess." ~Rab Florence~
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Sega' s future doesn' t look too bright if those two are deeply involved.....

Adam got pwnd.

1. Perhaps they should have named their source in the first place to save the confusion.

2. I don' t need to name our source to prove that neither Ben nor Saito-san are as deeply involved in what has occurred with Shenmue to date as who we spoke to, because AM2 development bosses Ishikawa and Osaki have both commented on record in past about actual Shenmue III plans (regardless of its status today).

3. Nobody in any role at Sega Europe is qualified to talk absolutely about what AM2 is or has been up to on their own. Furthermore, Google suggests that Ben is very new at SoE, judging by IdleThumbs news reports in his name as recently as May 2006. This means the statement' s real weight is with Saito-san.

4. Saito-san, I am pretty sure (not 100%), works in a department at SOJ called IBPD, which acts as a communication channel between SOJ and overseas offices in production and communications etc. So actually that' s quite PR-like. Our source was neither of these guys but someone a lot closer to Shenmue, if you catch my drift. Regardless, the bottom line is this information comes through PR channels. I have already mentioned in a previous post why, regarding Shenmue, this is something worth paying attention to.

4. There are plenty of cases where the BBC cannot name sources, but only in cases where actual investigative journalism has been conducted as these are circumstances where often good info only comes with certain conditions. Tune into any news broadcast to see anonymous sources giving information. " At the BBC we..." LOL. Shouting BBC repeatedly as loud as possible is only going to prove so useful. Any game publication is only as reliable as its journalists and its sources, it doesn' t matter who pays their wage. Often it shows a lot more (actual) journalistic integrity to NOT name a source, despite the sort of pressure I feel I am under to do so in this case. It' s not going to happen.

Like I said before I am not disputing the bottom line of the statement that was provided, just how it reached it and its tone, and the fact that some (including the Videogaiden guys) assume this must instantly mean we have lied in some way and then propagate this view as bullshit rather unprofessionally. If you read my previous comments in this thread, I don' t think there' s anything else to add to this.

I don' t think its a big deal...

I' m gonna sue the jokers from dojo in England.

Rab is Big Lime?! If so then he isn' t connected with Videogaiden anyway. Read his first posts in that thread.

They really should have asked when we are getting another NiGHTS or Panzer game. That would have been super.

No thanks i love those games too much for the new SEGA to shit on them.

ORIGINAL: Dead Saint

They really should have asked when we are getting another NiGHTS or Panzer game. That would have been super.

No thanks i love those games too much for the new SEGA to shit on them.

AM2 still performs though. Maybe AM2 should develop all SEGA games...

EDIT: Wait for the Aliens announcement. That' ll be interesting, ...another franchise they can fuck up.