What a shit hole.

Amnesty International Reports:

MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) -- A 13-year-old girl who said she had been raped was stoned to death in Somalia after being accused of adultery by Islamic militants, a human rights group said.
Dozens of men stoned Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow to death Oct. 27 in a stadium packed with 1,000 spectators in the southern port city of Kismayo, Amnesty International and Somali media reported, citing witnesses. The Islamic militia in charge of Kismayo had accused her of adultery after she reported that three men had raped her, the rights group said.
Initial local media reports said Duhulow was 23, but her father told Amnesty International she was 13. Some of the Somali journalists who first reported the killing later told Amnesty International that they had reported she was 23 based upon her physical appearance.
Calls to Somali government officials and the local administration in Kismayo rang unanswered Saturday.
"This child suffered a horrendous death at the behest of the armed opposition groups who currently control Kismayo," David Copeman, Amnesty International's Somalia campaigner, said in a statement Friday.
Somalia is among the world's most violent and impoverished countries. The nation of some 8 million people has not had a functioning government since warlords overthrew a dictator in 1991 then turned on each other.
A quarter of Somali children die before age 5; nearly every public institution has collapsed. Fighting is a daily occurrence, with violent deaths reported nearly every day.
Islamic militants with ties to al-Qaida have been battling the government and its Ethiopian allies since their combined forces pushed the Islamists from the capital in December 2006. Within weeks of being driven out, the Islamists launched an insurgency that has killed thousands of civilians.
In recent months, the militants appear to be gaining strength. The group has taken over the port of Kismayo, Somalia's third-largest city, and dismantled pro-government roadblocks. They also effectively closed the Mogadishu airport by threatening to attack any plane using it.

If Islam wants an ounce of respect, they should as a collective, make sure this doesnt happen.

I can hardly imagine the dread the poor girl must have felt before her death.

Its funny., its not allowed to have sex, but its allowed to murder.

I dont know how to clean up those places, maybe just a wall around them and some bio weapons.

Islam isn't a violent religion, it's followers just enjoy the occasional stoning.

Vx Chemical


If Islam wants an ounce of respect, they should as a collective, make sure this doesnt happen.

How?

It's not Islam's fault this happened. This happened because the Somali government is so dysfunctional that they can't stop militant groups from wreaking havok on it's citizens. The militants are better funded and more organized than the government itself, so the citizens don't have the tools to reject this type of thing.  

Islam is just a recruitment tool and motivator for these anti-government groups, it's not the root cause of the problem. The root of the problem is the social instability.  Extremist groups exist everywhere, but they are only able to act in areas that are unstable, like Somalia.

Islam is fail, sorta like Africa. Only without the AIDS.

Oh please.  Don't defend Islam, there's like 2 or 3 barely functional islamic nations (which will all plunge in chaos when they run out of oil) everything else is a shithole, it is a problem with their religion and culture, it is simply incompatible with the 21st century, atleast christians/jews/etc adapt and modernize somewhat.  Just imagine if these animals get a hold of nukes, they cause enough trouble with just stones.

European nations shouldn't have been pussies and let them get independence, all those countries were colonized by western nations and should have remained so.

Religion houses empires, it's our instinct to conquer.  Look at history, religion was almost always part of the assimilation process.  It's a Trojan horse of greed and racism in the guise of whatever dumb ideals they promote.  Idealism in itself can be very dangerous when people place their ideals above the practical.   As an organization religion serves no good purpose, even if at an individual level it can be harmless.  Calling yourself a Christian or a person of Islam is like walking around with a KKK shirt but insisting that you're a peaceful person.   Even if you are a peaceful person the ideas you promote are still retarded and are causing all kinds of bullshit in the world. 

Ignorant and hateful doctrine will promote shitty results:

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/01/11/top-10-quran-quotes-every-woman-must-see/

Agent Ghost


Religion houses empires, it's our instinct to conquer.  Look at history, religion was almost always part of the assimilation process.  It's a Trojan horse of greed and racism in the guise of whatever dumb ideals they promote.  Idealism in itself can be very dangerous when people place their ideals above the practical.   As an organization religion serves no good purpose, even if at an individual level it can be harmless.  Calling yourself a Christian or a person of Islam is like walking around with a KKK shirt but insisting that you're a peaceful person.   Even if you are a peaceful person the ideas you promote are still retarded and are causing all kinds of bullshit in the world. 

Ignorant and hateful doctrine will promote shitty results:

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/01/11/top-10-quran-quotes-every-woman-must-see/

Which can all be summed up in my points of Islam is full of bigotry and Muhammed was a pedo.

Which can all be summed up in my points of Islam is full of bigotry and Muhammed was a pedo.

You realize there's just as much ignorance in the Christian bible right? 

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/BibleQuotes.htm

I would say that Islam is more cruel but Christianity is dumber.

Agent Ghost

Which can all be summed up in my points of Islam is full of bigotry and Muhammed was a pedo.

You realize there's just as much ignorance in the Christian bible right? 

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/BibleQuotes.htm

I would say that Islam is more cruel but Christianity is dumber.

Dumber? Islam took the Torah, replaced the word jew with muslim, and tried to claim it was a real religion. At least most jews and christians got over killing people for religion a few hundered years ago. And as has already been pointed out, Jews and Christians actually have civilized countries (USA, Israel, England etc)

Dumber? Islam took the Torah, replaced the word jew with muslim

I know less about Islam but Christianity is based on the old testiment too.  So I fail to see your point.

At least most jews and christians got over killing people for religion a few hundered years ago. And as has already been pointed out, Jews and Christians actually have civilized countries (USA, Israel, England etc)

You mean Christians live in civilized nations?  Muslims live in civilized nations too. 


Besides, Atheism/agnosticism has a better correlation with low crime, literacy, lower infant mortality rates, low homicide, gender equality, income per capita, education attainment rates etc than any religion.

http://brewright.blogspot.com/2007/08/10-least-religious-counties-in-world.aspx

1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic)

Actually, Christianity is based more on the new testament, with forgiveness and salvation taking precedence over the old testament. Hence Christians not sacrificing animals and being allowed to eat pork. I was saying that Islam took a document that historians know existed hundreds of years before Islam, and changed it, where as Christians believe every word of the Torah. The only difference between a Jew and a Christian is the belief that Jesus was the son of God.

Of that list, several of the countries are, or were, majority Christian. There is nothing wrong with Judio-Christian (spelling?) values. Almost every country's laws are based on the 10 Commandments, which originated in the Torah. My point with this was the middle east is a cespool of violence and religious intolerance.

And half the countries you listed, including your own, are socialist pieces of shit. Capitalism FTW. If youre too lazy to work you shouldnt be given anything. And no, Im not talking about Old people, childeren, or the disabled, I mean if you are capable of working, and of age to work, you shouldnt get shit from the government.

EDIT:

I forgot to add that Atheists are fucking morons. The theory of evolution is so flawed its almost a joke.

You mean Christians live in civilized nations?  Muslims live in civilized nations too.

No, muslims have hardly founded any civilized nations.

Even if most of the civilized world isn't religious, it's obvious its roots are christian as within those nations there is far more tolerance for that religion that any other.  Christians/Jews are also inherently democratic, because again, their churches are modernized, islam is stuck in the 10th century and modern concepts are beyond their grasp.

The pope is never going to come out and say "lets kill all homos" although they're obviously against them, they are modern enough to know such statements have no place in this day and age, islam leaders wouldn't have a problem saying that.

Furthermore, there are also many christian nations that are shitholes but not in the same way the muslim nations are, pretty much all of central and southern america is a shithole, they are all catholic/christian, they have worse GDP than the muslim nations yet they are still centuries ahead in terms of human rights,  quality of life etc.

Islam has been a failure from the start, the fall of many of the greatest civilizations in the middle east area can all be traced to the adoption of Islam.

emofag

You mean Christians live in civilized nations?  Muslims live in civilized nations too.

No, muslims have hardly founded any civilized nations.

Even if most of the civilized world isn't religious, it's obvious its roots are christian as within those nations there is far more tolerance for that religion that any other.  Christians/Jews are also inherently democratic, because again, their churches are modernized, islam is stuck in the 10th century and modern concepts are beyond their grasp.

The pope is never going to come out

You stated my point better than I did.

I'm off playing fallout for the past several days and this is what I come back too...

I think I will have a peek in the videogames section now...

Ugh, that story makes me feel sick.  

Sometimes I just feel I should give up sticking up for what I believe in, you all know why I believe in it by now of course.  And I would just be saying the same thing each time something like this happens.  What can I say anyway that could make you believe me when I say that something like this would of course NEVER be advocated by Islam.

And I really have no idea how I'm meant to stop this stuff from happening, y'know.  Even if all the decent muslims in the world banded together and collaborated with amnesty international to try to stop this stuff from happening, I dunno how much success they would have.  And whether it would even gain them an ounce of respect.

Could you imagine the headline? "Muslim person actually helps amnesty international to prevent rape victim from being stoned by somali militants"  I'm sure there are plenty of muslims working for amnesty.

Agent, I have a dozen answers for your quotes from an anti-islamic website, but I'm not sure how much good it would do.   Like I said before, its not my intention here to convince you all Islam doesn't actually stand for what you think it does.  I'm not walking around in a KKK outfit, while telling everyone I'm a decent guy.  I'm just here for the videogames tbh. 

But changing opnions is difficult and I guess you guys have yours already set.  I'm not even starting on emofag, jeez.  I just ask you dont judge me or other decent muslims by those standards.

I think I might just stick to the videogames section myself.

Ugh, that story makes me feel sick. Sometimes I just feel I should give up sticking up for what I believe in, you all know why I believe in it by now of course. And I would just be saying the same thing each time something like this happens. What can I say anyway that could make you believe me when I say that something like this would of course NEVER be advocated by Islam.

I don't judge individuals based on their backgrounds.  I don't really even judge people at all in the true sense of the term.  As a causal determinist I don't even trust the concept of choice.  Everyone is a product of their environment, I don't see any room for choice.  I'm an individualist where I support personal freedom, I don't like static rituals/culture.  Tradition interferes with growth and adaptation.  My beef with religion isn't even with this type of shit.  I'm willing to accept that humanity is capable of shitty things.  My problem is that culture needs to evolve.  The point of culture is to develop tactics/strategies to survive and prosper under changing environments.  This is where religion gets in the way, it slows everything down.  Look at Christianity it's still is a stumbling block for human rights.  If there are texts in a book that say god views a certain segment of the population as inferior such as women or gays.  Here are people that will believe this shit and it justifies all kinds of atrocities.  The way that Christianity is treating gays and how Islam treats women is disgusting.  I know this isn't true with all Muslims but you can't deny the bigotry in the texts.  There's a lot of women that get abused and Sharia law isn't design to protect them as it should.  Look at the relationship with religion and slavery. 

Anytime something has such a massive appeal and influence it needs to promote good values and proper behaviour.  Religion fails in this responsibility miserably.  Religion truely does a horrible job.  It's not about how it makes you feel, or the peace that it offers you in your personal life.  It's about the results in a worldwide scale, religion is like rust it just gets worse and worse.

Religion just has too much influence.  I have enough faith in anything where I'd give it enough power and influence as religion enjoys.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  I would say that the world would be a much better place if no tradition/culture had massive influence over everything.  

The problem on an individual level is that people define themselves through their religion.  I don't even acknowledge this, I understand that as an individual you're far more important than your religion even if you don't see this.  From your perspective, your religion is important but when I look at a Muslim or Christian, it's like they wear different colour bedsheets.  It's trivial at an individual level.  I look at the big picture, a single person doesn't matter.

I forgot to add that Atheists are fucking morons. The theory of evolution is so flawed its almost a joke.

I was going to respond to something else in your last post but then I saw this.  WTF!?  I didn't know they still made people like you, even Eddie understands evolution.  It's not just Atheism, it's the entire scientific community.  Evolution is as established as gravity.  we can observe it, it's proven.  Fossils!  We have actually observed DNA mutate.  Christianity says god created everything on the planet.  This implies that creatures don't change at all through the generations.  Do you know how stupid that sounds in the 21st century?  What the hell is wrong with the US?  Why do they have such high a high ratio of people who don't understand evolution?   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCayG4IIOEQ

Agent Ghost

 Why do they have such high a high ratio of people who don't understand evolution?   

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.

For the record I don't believe in any religion either, I was just pointing the obvious fact that christianity is far more civilized at present state, regardless of what they did in the past, it's simple fact.

Something I'll never understand though and I think we have a perfect example here is how some people in certain parts of the world can even tolerate christianity.  For instance, isn't immortaldanmx hispanic/latino?  Does he not know that christians raped and pillaged his land? Committed genocide and made slaves out of his ancestors?  And then he goes and practices the religion that destroyed his culture and civilization to the point where his people don't even have their own identity anymore? Their religions, their language, everything was lost, they just speak the language and religion of their agressors (spanish).  I don't understand the logic there, and I'm not just talking about him.   Most people in central/southern america are like that, it's the most bizzare thing I've ever seen.   

One of the smartest things I ever heard Hugo Chavez say was that Columbus day shouldn't be celebrated, it's basically thanking europe for raping them for everything they ever had, but then practicing the religion forced upon them is far worse, but I don't think he wants to go there.

Yeah but they're part spanish, part native american, so they should have to pay themselves retributions.