Jaffe wouldn' t have used Blu-Ray

We can finally get this pathetic topic out of the way for good. Its been argued countless times in this forum it' s time to put it to rest.

David Jaffe, Sony poster boy, Sony employee and unfortunately one of the most influential voices in the gaming industry, when asked in GameTrailers' Bonus Round to play hypothetical PS3 hardware designer said...

" I probably would have taken the Blu-ray out and sold it for less money."

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He goes on to talk about exploring the possibility of setting up an independent studio. I don' t like the guy but it' s an interesting read.

I disagree.

Topic still on.

You disagree with? Nitro disliking Jaffe or what he said?

My opinion is straight on with Nitro I' m not a Jaffe fanboy

" What most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things."
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Yeah. I thought the " Topic still on" part woulld indicate that I was talking about the " I probably would have taken the Blu-ray out and sold it for less money" quote.

About Jaffe... I don' t care enough about him to like/dislike the person.

Blu-Ray has not and will not be proven to be necessary in this generation.

I' m sure one or two of the best developers will use the additional space well enough for the difference to be noticeable in some area but there' s a huge difference between " yeah it' s nice to have more space to work with" and " without Blu-Ray this would be impossible"

Now part of this is Jaffe wanting to be seen as an outspoken industry figurehead like Mark Rein, not afraid to " speak his mind" or some other bullshit, but that doesn' t stop his comments from being 100% correct.

Sony' s decision to force Blu-Ray was a gross mistake and it' s impact on the price point of the machine can be directly tied to it' s slow adoption rate.

Every time this topic has being argued somebody has come to say " well so and so says it' s needed" , and that so and so has always been some moron developer working on a PS3 game (Ted Price comes to mind). But now, Jaffe, who' s probably Sony' s most important western game development figure has said that he wouldn' t have included the Blu-Ray drive and he' s on the Sony payroll. All arguments substantiated by opinions of 2nd party developers and 3rd parties working on exclusive games for the platform should be considered null and void. This now has to come down to what has been proven so far, and that is nothing.

Not speaking for Sony or as a student of Game Deisgn, and from a personal opinion as a consumer, I can' t help but be glad I got a Blue-Ray player with my Ps3. That way I don' t need to buy a standalone blue-ray player, nor a DVD (since I can' t stand the 360 one and the Wii doesn' t include one).

As for the price " Yeah, it was expensive, but it was my choice and my choice only, to starve for a month (not litterally).

There' s a difference between being glad it' s in there and thinking it was a necessary component.

You' re talking about it form a movie playing perspective and i' m talking about it from a game development perspective. It isn' t needed, or at the very least hasn' t been proven to be needed any way whatsoever so far. Sure that could change but i don' t know what kind of games you think will justify the inclusion of the technology.

I was a tactical decision designed to maximize Blu-Ray adoption, something which is more important to Sony than being the gaming market leader. The price of the console is the biggest factor in it' s less than satisfactory sales worldwide and Blu-Ray is the reason the console costs $100 more than it needed to.

Not everybody is interested in next-gen DVD formats. Most people that but games consoles buy them for the games, and i think it' s safe to say that Blu-Ray isn' t " needed" in that context.

There' s a difference between being glad it' s in there and thinking it was a necessary component.

Hence the " personal opinion"

As far as gaming goes, the only example I can yhink of is Blue Dragon, which is put on multiple discs due to the HD Prerendered CG cutscenes. And even if it is debateable wether CG is needed nowadays, much less in HD, and that many like changing discs, I think there is no minus for having the technology to allow it possible.

Once again it is a personal opinion.

I don' t feel I can get inside the head of other consumers or the staff of Sony to say what they where thinking, but ONE guess is that they want to make money, not only from the games but the Blue-Ray format, when they win the war. Thus struggling now, only to have it easier in the future... Provided that they win.

Also, they might just have ignorant.

Dino are you retarded irl,why do people not buy the ps3.
Because of the blu-ray,most people doesn' t haver 1080p tv' s at home,perhaps in 5-6 years they will.

I love how this moron rant about BD having 3 disch,you swap every 17th hour,if you think that is something negative you' re fucking retarded.
Are you that fat dino,that you cant bend your ass every 17 hour?
CGI is used in Jap JRPG,how often do you see them in other games?

At ps3 i need to do a firmupdate every fucking time that pice of shit starts.

Eternal Sonata,Lost odyssey,Enchanted arms,Mass effect these rpg' s Dino refuse to talk about,why because they probably won' t have tons of CGI.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Hey, my favorite retard is back. I think it' s funny how you have so little friends that you actually manage to get angry over something somebody says in a forum, and also how you manage to interpret all things I say to something you want me to say, just so you get the excuse to act like the retard you are.

Seriously dude, did I ever mention anything about why the Ps3 sales are bad?
I have a few ideas as to why, but I didn' t bring them up.

Also, I did not rant about the game you luv SOOO much, you can honeslty convince you don' t even need a girlfriend. I merely used it as an example, where the Blue Ray could be put to use, and I only said that it isn' t a bad thing that if it is possible to use Blue-Ray, in order not to use multiple discs, that you actually can use it in order not to do so(long weird sentence ).

As to your latest update. When have I refused talking about them?

Lastly, I just can' t see why you keep acting like a fourteen year old. You know it isn' t cool, to pretend to be cool on forums.


BTW: I' m 183 cm tall and weigh 64 kilos of only muscles. I think you can do the math... Actually I don' t think you can.

Oh, and in contrary to what I said about you acting like a fourteen year old, I actually don' t want you to stop doing so. It' s actually kind of fun.

I don' t feel I can get inside the head of other consumers or the staff of Sony to say what they where thinking, but ONE guess is that they want to make money, not only from the games but the Blue-Ray format, when they win the war. Thus struggling now, only to have it easier in the future... Provided that they win.

I have most of my chips on Blu-Ray right now, (in the format war that is) and very few on the PS3.

Gaming has taken a backseat in Sony' s strategy this generation. Listen to anybody doing Sony PR these days. You don' t hear about the wealth of new titles hitting the market. You hear about them trying to outdo Xbox-Live, and about the multimedia features of the PS3.

BTW: I' m 183 cm tall and weigh 64 kilos of only muscles. I think you can do the math... Actually I don' t think you can.

Im american and i dont fell like doing math, so thats what?

6 feet tall & 140 lbs? Dude, you' re a stick.

m american and i dont fell like doing math, so thats what?

It' s so good, it' s just a little bit bad.

6 feet tall & 140 lbs? Dude, you' re a stick.

A very strongstick, that won' t easily break. Though I' m currently working hard on gaining weight.

I could break you. In two.

That.... That was mean! [:' (]

[quoteAs far as gaming goes, the only example I can yhink of is Blue Dragon, which is put on multiple discs due to the HD Prerendered CG cutscenes. And even if it is debateable wether CG is needed nowadays, much less in HD, and that many like changing discs, I think there is no minus for having the technology to allow it possible. ]
The reason Japanese devs insist on using CGs is due to the fact that in history they could never make (in most cases) a decent engine that could present a cutscene that looked good.

As for BluRay, no its not needed for games. It may or may not be needed for movies, but if it is the winner, I will buy a PS3 just for BluRay and the 1 or 2 good exlusives Sony has left.

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

Because of the blu-ray,most people doesn' t haver 1080p tv' s at home,perhaps in 5-6 years they will.

Actually, it will be half that. The badass HDTV' s are coming within the next 6-12 months, and when they do, the whole lot of HDTV' s we currently have available are going to drop in price. Also, with the push for HD from almost every kind of media(at least in NA), consumers are going to feel the need to purchase one.

At ps3 i need to do a firmupdate every fucking time that pice of shit starts.

Well, the first problem here is that you don' t own a PS3, so you would have no firsthand knowledge of that. Second, there have been 4(maybe 5) updates since I got my ps3 on November 17, so unless someone was to turn on their ps3 only once a month, there is no way that could be true.

I love how this moron rant about BD having 3 disch,you swap every 17th hour,if you think that is something negative you' re fucking retarded.

Many of my friends have talked about this, and while it is true that it isn' t much of a hassle to change discs every 10+ hours of gameplay, it isn' t ideal to be sure. FF7 is the greatest example for me. If I wanted to go back to an older saved game, I had to figure out what disc was for it, then sort through a bunch of discs and get the right one. If you have a roomate or sibling that also plays the same game and is at a different stage in the game, it gets that much more annoying. All in all, its not a huge deal to switch discs, but only a moron would say that it isn' t a " negative" as you say.

Im american and i dont fell like doing math, so thats what?

You gotta use the Google calculator, man! Go to Google and type in anything like " 182 cm to feet" or " 584 ounces to pounds" or " 38 kilometers to miles."

BTW: I' m 183 cm tall and weigh 64 kilos of only muscles. I think you can do the math... Actually I don' t think you can.

That only accounts for the bones, no skin anywhere there. im 185, when i weighed 78kg i was quite skinny. Now im a fatso though, having a job, a GF and a kid leaves little spare time, though iv started running again! 64 KG would render me dead though!

I have the same kind of body as Bruce Lee. Maybe not at the same kind of athletic level but the " overall design" is the same .
Zero fat, quick and flexible muscles, explosive strength (great for punshing and kicking!) etc.
Anyway, Blu-ray is great by itself but when it' s the biggest reason the PS3 is priced so high I kinda feel that if Sony really liked gaming they would' ve released the PS3 without Blu-ray.
But they don' t like gaming, they like money and they' re trying to conquer all aspects of electronic entertainment, including the movie formats. So they use the PS3 to spread the Blu-ray.
Not a bad idea from a bussiness point of view and the PS3 is a bargain of you really want Blu-ray.
But from a pure gamer point of view, it kinda sucks really.

Dino-what a fuck face.

Seriously what a fucking disgusting ps3 fag.
FUck him.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Well i consider most of you to be scrawny weaklings i could kill with just my non-dominant arm...

But moving on, ...Sony has issued a statement regarding Jaffes comments...

" While we respect [Jaffe' s] opinion, we feel strongly that the future of gaming lies in the ability to deliver more to the consumer -- more gameplay options, more lifelike graphics, more dynamic sound -- all in high definition...

...To do that, you need a storage vehicle such as the 50 GB Blu-ray disc, because your standard 9 GB DVD simply can' t handle the demands of true next-generation gaming."

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Morons.

Yes,Mass effect,Oblivion and Gears of war lack these features.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Gears isn' t a great game to use as an example Quez.

Yes everything about it is great, but after all, its only 6 hours long, with cinematics using the in game engine, no CG stuff to take up space.

Mass Effect on the other hand is likely to be a great example. The fact they are squishing that game onto a DVD is a feat in itself. Lets remember though, that this is a great developer, one I' ve loved for years, and there is a vast majority of sloppy developers(need I name them?) that probably couldn' t manage it, or would make a fuss if they did.

Again, BluRay is not needed, but not pointless either IMO. I like having it, the movies look great at 1080p, and down the road it could prove to be a great feature.

I still remember people complaining that the ps2 used a DVD in it, therefore making it quite pricey. The main difference this time is that there is a well known rival format.

Hjhahahaha. Finally I got a come-back. Scary thing is it was exactly the kind of response I hade expected... Bit dissapointed abot that.

Well i consider most of you to be scrawny weaklings i could kill with just my non-dominant arm...

So I take it you' re pretty strong. Wanna arm wrestle?

" While we respect [Jaffe' s] opinion, we feel strongly that the future of gaming lies in the ability to deliver more to the consumer -- more gameplay options, more lifelike graphics, more dynamic sound -- all in high definition...

...To do that, you need a storage vehicle such as the 50 GB Blu-ray disc, because your standard 9 GB DVD simply can' t handle the demands of true next-generation gaming."

I' ve seriously had enough of comapnies trying to hide the truth, that they want your wallet and nothing more. Whenever they say things like " Next-Gen" or " Revolution" or " true HD" all I hear is Cashing!

However I get even more mad, when they say something bad about their company or something that might actually be true, like Jaffe.
Then I' m like " O.K what' re you after?!"

However I get even more mad, when they say something bad about their company or something that might actually be true, like Jaffe.
Then I' m like " O.K what' re you after?!"

I think he wants some favors from Ken Kutaragi and Kaz Hirai in exchange for being nice to them again. Favors with sexy results!

You gotta use the Google calculator, man! Go to Google and type in anything like " 182 cm to feet" or " 584 ounces to pounds" or " 38 kilometers to miles."

I could have easily opened the calculator in the start program, but im too lazy for that

A very strongstick, that won' t easily break. Though I' m currently working hard on gaining weight.

I recommend watching the movie " Super Size Me"

However I get even more mad, when they say something bad about their company or something that might actually be true, like Jaffe.
Then I' m like " O.K what' re you after?!"

So you get mad for having people being honest?

Lol @ you.

Just because he see bad sales and work at sony and says what he thinks gone wrong you get angry,what a pice of fucking shitty fanboy you' re.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

^ Hjhahaha.

It' s just too easy.

To butt fuck your friends irl?

Wow,what a fag you' re.-

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Mass Effect on the other hand is likely to be a great example. The fact they are squishing that game onto a DVD is a feat in itself

..how big a game is Mass Effect exactly? ...like oblivion or final fantasy big?

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..how big a game is Mass Effect exactly? ...like oblivion or final fantasy big?

Can you really compare the size of Oblivion to FF? I swear, if you have xbox live i think while you sleep Bethesda is really creating more and more quests so you never can really complete the game

Can you really compare the size of Oblivion to FF? I swear, if you have xbox live i think while you sleep Bethesda is really creating more and more quests so you never can really complete the game

Not only thatm they steal your dreams too!

I have the same kind of body as Bruce Lee. Maybe not at the same kind of athletic level but the " overall design" is the same

I bet your 40 stone.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Quez still kicks ass. I still play 360 games online with him.

To be honest i don' t put the blame for his OTT comments here soley on him. Some things are lost in translation (his spoken English is better than his written) and he' s taken enough insults from other members (current and not), and other overly pro-Microsoft posters here haven' t been treated with such disdain.

Quez posts on Xboxyde and Game Reactor and his attitude their is much more like it was here six months ago.



Anyway, back on topic, Mass Effect' s size can proably be compared to Wind Wakers, ...although like with Oblivion i expect significant DLC to expand the universe.

To butt fuck your friends irl?

Wow,what a fag you' re.-

I see nothing gay with buttfucking a girl.

But don' t be jelous Quez. If I have time I can give you one, as long ass you keep a bag on your head.

Please keep it up. Seriously, it' s fun!


Anyways, I' m really looking forward to Mass Effect, but I do get the Oblivion feel from it, more than say Final Fantasy or... Wind Waker? (You will have to explain that one Nitro )

Not that Oblivion was bad, it was Crazy Awesome, but it is the kind of game that I don' t have time to spend on, as it just keep going on, like an Energizer Bunny. You know, it just keep going, and going, and going, and going and going, and going...

Majik are you home on saturday?
I will try and gather as many people I can for some hardcore 4vs4 Annex gears of war battles.
Ofc you and me+ribcage should be on the same team.
I will try and talk with bertil also,but dont know if he is in tomorrow.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

ORIGINAL: QuezcatoL

Majik are you home on saturday?
I will try and gather as many people I can for some hardcore 4vs4 Annex gears of war battles.
Ofc you and me+ribcage should be on the same team.
I will try and talk with bertil also,but dont know if he is in tomorrow.

I' m out in the morning but i should be available mid-afternoon and probably in the evening. Is Funner playing?

Oh, and how did your big test go?

ORIGINAL: Dionysius

..or... Wind Waker? (You will have to explain that one Nitro..

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ORIGINAL: Majik

..Mass Effect' s size can proably be compared to Wind Wakers..

My big test went " OKAY" got 129 questions about science...

I answered perhaps 80-90.

I should have gotten 70 correct atleast...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

..Mass Effect' s size can proably be compared to Wind Wakers..

Yeah, I was actually more curious as to how you figured, but never mind.