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Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:01

The NPD Group has released its video game sales data for the month of February


http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=15503


Taking a closer look at the data, it' s clear that Nintendo is dominating. On the hardware front the DS sold more than any other platform with 485K units, followed by the Wii with 335K units. The PS2 once again outsold the Xbox 360, 295K vs. 228K. Meanwhile, the PS3 sold a disappointing 127K, far below analysts' estimate of 200K. In fact, the old GBA even outsold the PS3, with 136K. Sony' s PSP managed to sell 176K. Finally, trailing the pack (essentially on life support) was the GameCube with 24K.


or for an easier list

1st DS 485,000
2nd Wii 335,000
3rd ps2 295,000
4th 360 228,000
5th psp 176,000
6th GBA 136,000
7th ps3 127,000
8th GC 24,000

Wow and here i thought that the lack of HD graphics would hamper the Wii. Looking at the sames figures there is NO HD capable console in the top 3. The Wii with, as everyone here likes to point out, very little going for it at the moment, convincingly beats the 360 (which has a lot going for it) and the ps3. Look at that good old ps2 go, coming in a strong 3rd. Last gen graphics has really ' Gimped' ps2 sales hasn' t it.
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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:16
It' s no surprise that the DS and PS2 is doing well with all that awesome software they have.
The Wii sure has appealed to lots of people because it looks so damn fun to play. I have some colleges at work who aren' t interested in videogames but they said that when they saw Wii sports they really wanted to buy a Wii.
Wii Sports might not be much for many of us hardcore' s but to them normal folks it sure seems fun.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:21
Looking at those figures, should Sony not be worried?

The PS3 is being beaten, by 2 handhelds and a low end graphics machine.
Not to mention that the PSP is no where in the list and is being beaten by the GBA and the GC. Something smells a bit fishy with this.
Here it is.
They should be:
1 DS 485K
2 Wii 335K
3 PS2 295K
4 Xbox 360 228K.
5 Sony' s PSP 176K
6 GBA 136K
7 PS3 127K
8 GameCube 24K

There you go true representation of the data.
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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:28
Whoops your right Alijah034, i missed the psp in the list, sorry about that. I have since updated my post.

Those figures should worry them, with the ps3 being beaten by 2 hand helds and 2 lowend graphics machines (ps2 and Wii), not to mention the 360.

If they ever hope to catch up to the Wii let alone the 360 they are going to have to at least quadruple the number of ps3 sold now. I can' t see this happening anytime soon. And if or when it does will it be too late?
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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:30
To be honest M$ would have expected a fall in demand as they have almost saturated the initial market, H3 should change this. But Sony are really in the shite.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:33
If the ps3 continues at that rate it will just continue to fall further behind.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:38
I think Sony are puttring a lot of faith in the European market, in particular the UK, although the Wii is still selling out as soon as stock hits retailers.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:44
They should' ve stopped making PS2' s right before FFXII was released. That way people would' ve bought PS3' s to play FFXII. They should stop PS2 production now. People wasting their money on PS2' s instead of PS3' s is hurting Sony.
Why the hell is the PSP doing so badly? It kicks ass! Sh!t the whole world is crazy!
And why are people still buying GBA' s? Is it that worthless Micro that still sell?

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:50
Yes i agree Ginjirou, the ps2 is definately siphoning of potential customers from the ps3. I mean do you think any of those 295K people that purchased a ps2 are going to buy a ps3? No way. Thats a lot of potential customers lost. Considering the future is going to depend on the ps3 thats really bad news.

Stopping ps2 production would have been the best option to cultivate ps3 sales, however with the bulk of the profits coming from ps2 sales sony cannot do this. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place!

BTW no i think its all GBA, including the micro but i could be wrong.
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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 00:54
Hardware sales mean shit when software isn' t selling proportionately.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 01:02
Yeah but it' s hard to sell software on a console that no one buys.
And it' s easy to sell software on a console that many people have.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 01:13
No, i' m talking about Wii.

Software should sell proportionately to hardware. Wii software isn' t. The reason is ' causal gamers' who don' t buy anywhere near as much software as hardcore and mainsteam gamers.

I mean look...

360 CRACKDOWN 427K
Wii PLAY W/ REMOTE 371K
NDS DIDDY KONG RACING 262K
Wii LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS 130K
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR 130K
360 GEARS OF WAR 119K
360 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K7 113K
360 LOST PLANET: EXTREME CONDITION 111K
Wii WARIOWARE: SMOOTH MOVES 109K
360 NBA STREET HOMECOURT 102k

3 Wii games in the top 10, ...all in-house developed/published.

5 360 games in the top 10, ...all 3rd party developed, 2 published by MGS.



It' s too early to know if Wii has legs. Personally, and i' m pretty good at this, ...i can' t see it. Nintendo have managed an amazing launch to be sure, but 3rd party software is key to a successful life-span and they have nothing before late Q3 that will make a mark.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 01:42
Majik is right, market share is calculated by games on each platform sold, not by the hardware. I also think PS3 will catch up. I' m not sure it will surpass the 360 anytime soon but in two years it will be spanking the Wii. A lot of people will buy Wii because it' s so cheap but from the people I talk to who already have a Wii and PS3 or 360 they play more with those. I expect that trend to continue. When I get a Wii I' ll probably only buy three games for it in it' s lifetime and buy a lot more PS3 and 360 games.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 01:44
But the 360 has been out for quite some time and has a much, much bigger userbase than the Wii, thus the software sales are of course much higher.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 02:01
There are a lot of people out there who are easily impressed and impulse buy.

My long time gamer friend bought a Wii. Why? I have no idea. He never plays it anymore, hasn' t played Zelda for more than 10 hours, and uses it only for the VC games he bought.

I don' t view the Wii selling so well as a positive thing. It means the game industry is still extremely susceptible to gimmicks and marketing. The 360 is the most logical choice right now if you want to game. As I' ve said before, I would have one if I hadn' t played on one right up into December. I wish I had Graw2, but thats it so far, Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Forza 2 are what I' m waiting for, and hopefully an HDMI version

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 02:13

The 360 is the most logical choice right now if you want to game. As I' ve said before


Yep I agree which is why I am picking one up come summer so be prepared to get your asses kicked in COD 3 and Vegas (does anybody here play these on Live?)


It means the game industry is still extremely susceptible to gimmicks and marketing.


Hold on a sec. Lets hold off calling the Wii a gimmick! Thats what people said about the DS when it first came out. In the hands of the right developer the Wii is not a gimmick but unfortuantly it seems AT THE MOMENT that not many 3rd party developers are able to utilise the Wii controls but its early days yet so lets not totally dismiss the Wii!!


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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 02:18

Hold on a sec. Lets hold off calling the Wii a gimmick! Thats what people said about the DS when it first came out. In the hands of the right developer the Wii is not a gimmick but unfortuantly it seems AT THE MOMENT that not many 3rd party developers are able to utilise the Wii controls but its early days yet so lets not totally dismiss the Wii!!


Thats what I mean. I' ve said before that in time, the Wii can prove itself to be more than a gimmick. ATM though, I view it as one for the most part. One game that is also available for a cheap console shouldn' t be enough to sell a console in the numbers it is. Sure it might have Wario Ware, but thats not a single player game by a long shot.

But hey, look! Who cares about GRAW2, Bioshock, Motorstorm, VF5 etc when you can play a cooking game!!!!

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 04:15

Yep I agree which is why I am picking one up come summer so be prepared to get your asses kicked in COD 3 and Vegas (does anybody here play these on Live?)


Heh heh heh, does anybody play these he asks? Vegas no, but CoD:3? Flat-out addicted.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 05:31

Yep I agree which is why I am picking one up come summer so be prepared to get your asses kicked in COD 3 and Vegas (does anybody here play these on Live?)


I reccomend GRAW2 and COD2*(It' s pretty cheap now) out of the 360 games with good online play. If and only if you play with friends Gears is pretty fun too, I still can' t believe my copy cracked.

COD2 single player trumps COD3 by far. However If you only care about online one could make a case for either. COD3 supports more players with bigger maps vehicles and classes. COD3 is like COD2 with a Battlefield flavor. Some people say COD3 has better graphics, I prefer the style of COD2. I like COD2 online more as well. The weapons feel much better, vehicles are usually annoying and I don' t really want huge levels. Everything just feels better and it' s more personal. With COD2, you can have a plan and good communication with the three other guys on your team (4vs.4), you actually feel like you' re on a team. With COD3, everything feels random and it' s impossible to work together as a team. Also COD2 is more stable, it' s easier to find matches with people and you' ll spend a lot less time trying to find a good match that won' t disconnect.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 05:51
I enjoyed cod2 on the platform that really counts. Pc.

I wonder how manys pc' s have sold? I bet its millions!
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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 07:18

I enjoyed cod2 on the platform that really counts. Pc.

I wonder how manys pc' s have sold? I bet its millions!


i bet more people own Michael Jackson' s ' Thriller' CD...
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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 07:46

quote:

I enjoyed cod2 on the platform that really counts. Pc.

I wonder how manys pc' s have sold? I bet its millions!


i bet more people own Michael Jackson' s ' Thriller' CD...


I bet he' s gone under the knife for plastic surgery even more =P

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 09:13


ORIGINAL: Nitro

No, i' m talking about Wii.

Software should sell proportionately to hardware. Wii software isn' t. The reason is ' causal gamers' who don' t buy anywhere near as much software as hardcore and mainsteam gamers.

I mean look...

360 CRACKDOWN 427K
Wii PLAY W/ REMOTE 371K
NDS DIDDY KONG RACING 262K
Wii LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS 130K
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR 130K
360 GEARS OF WAR 119K
360 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K7 113K
360 LOST PLANET: EXTREME CONDITION 111K
Wii WARIOWARE: SMOOTH MOVES 109K
360 NBA STREET HOMECOURT 102k

3 Wii games in the top 10, ...all in-house developed/published.

5 360 games in the top 10, ...all 3rd party developed, 2 published by MGS.



It' s too early to know if Wii has legs. Personally, and i' m pretty good at this, ...i can' t see it. Nintendo have managed an amazing launch to be sure, but 3rd party software is key to a successful life-span and they have nothing before late Q3 that will make a mark.


Wii software is admittedly very average bordering on crap, save for a few stellar titles, Zelda TP which is also on the GC as well, and Wiisports being bundled.
What did you expect though? Did anyone think that Third party developers would have been flocking to Nintendo' s newest console after coming last in the previous generation? No way! The GC was a failure so developers, looking at past performances, probably would not have seen any future in any Nintendo console or in Nintendo as a company. Thats why the current level of software isn' t spectacular. Now that the Wii has proven its popularity Developers have been caught on the backfoot so i wouldn' t expect decent Third Party software until Christmas 07 or later.

Why can' t you see Wii being successful? Is it because it lacks HD? Thats not stopping the ps2 after so long (and possibly for a few more years), and we all know the Wii is more capable then the ps2.

If Wii can sell this much with average crap, how well will it do when real quality software hits? What about when they eventually release Online (so it might be average, at least its free and presumably it works)? I can still see a bright future for the Wii.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 09:28

COD2 single player trumps COD3 by far. However If you only care about online one could make a case for either. COD3 supports more players with bigger maps vehicles and classes. COD3 is like COD2 with a Battlefield flavor.


I already cleared the single player in COD2. Its the fact that COD3 supports more players and has bigger maps is what appeals to me over COD2. Battlefield 2 on the PC has to be one of the best multiplayer games I have ever played(I still play it regularly), it can support up to 64 players online which is fantastic. The more players the better as far as I am concerned which is why COD3 appeals to me more.

Of course I will be getting Gears and GRAW2. I might pick up Vegas as well. Nobody here seems to be big fans of Vegas. I think it has an excellant multiplayer.


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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 10:14
One of the biggest problems with Wii as far as games go is the fact that it' s peerless. PC PS3 and 360 will be bouncing off ports from eachother, much like GameCube, Xbox and PS2. With Wii, you can' t simply port games from the other three so easilly. Even if they put the extra effort to re-make game assets and strip down gaming features like physics and animations, the result still would suck. That' s why I think many Publishers won' t even bother. Games on Wii almost have to be disigned for the Wii, to be worth anything.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 17, 2007 17:06
Future Wii games will look like this one (Samurai Warriors Wave):

[image]http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/733/733963/samurai-warriors-wave-20060921100118631.jpg [/image]

[image]http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/733/733963/samurai-warriors-wave-20060921100119819.jpg [/image]

[image]http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/733/733963/samurai-warriors-wave-20060921100120600.jpg [/image]

[image]http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/733/733963/samurai-warriors-wave-20060921100121209.jpg [/image]

Scary...

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 00:33
is ir just me, or does the Gamecube have better looking launch titles than the Wii?. Luigi' s mansion sures looks better than some of these pics beening posted.
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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 00:42
Be intresting to see how the PS3 does in europe seeing as the PS2 is now less than £50

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 00:47
Yeah, you can get a slim line PS2 for £50 at Asda. Most places I' ve seen around Leeds are still advertising PS3 pre-orders a week before launch. With 360 and Wii if you went to pre order a week before launch you' d have been laughed out of the shop.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 00:59
I went to a store a couple of weeks after the Wii was launched and played it a little. I then turned to the store manager and asked if they had any for sale. He laughed for a while and after some time he said " no" , smiling at me like I was a world-class comedian.
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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 01:03

smiling at me like I was a world-class comedian.


But you ARE a world class comwdian Ginjirou.
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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 01:11


ORIGINAL: Duffman

I might pick up Vegas as well. Nobody here seems to be big fans of Vegas. I think it has an excellant multiplayer.


Vegas is awesome. I' m not a huge fan of the multiplayer though. GRAW2 is far far better online.


ORIGINAL: Terrak

I can still see a bright future for the Wii.


Wii, ...Britney Spears, ...same thing.

Xbox 360, ...Christina Aguilera, ...same thing.

PS3, ...Madonna, ...same thing.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 01:18

Wii, ...Britney Spears, ...same thing.


The Wii is going bald?

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 03:04
Here' s another way to look at the console sales figures from January to February.


Wii sales dropped about 23%.
X360 sales dropped about 23%.
PS3 sales dropped about 48%.
PS2 sales dropped about 1.4%.

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 07:42

PS3 sales dropped about 48%.


So their sales are down to 2%?

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RE: Nintendo with a one-two knock out punch in Feb (US) - Mar 18, 2007 13:52
Whaaa? I' m saying there were 244,000 PS3s sold in January, and 127,000 sold in February, a 48% drop.