Nintendo Wii a Piece of S***

At the 2005 GDC, Hecker delivered a rant about the balance of graphics, physics and gameplay, and now with the 360 and PS3 released, the balance is out-of-whack in favor of graphics and physics. At his 2005 speech, he posed the question " Will Nintendo save us?"

His answer in 2007?

" The Wii is a piece of shit."

Laughter and shocked applause from the developer-heavy crowd ensued, as Hecker elaborated to the tune of Public Enemy (seriously...he cranked it). Revealing the darkest secrets of the Wii manufacturing process (" Take two GameCubes and duct tape them together" ), Hecker raked Nintendo against the coals for including a " piece of shit underpowered CPU" in the Wii, and stressed that it wasn' t the graphics that are important, but how intelligent the console can be for delivering more " serious" games.

And that was the main crux of his rant -- Nintendo isn' t taking games seriously enough. Juxtaposing quotes from Sony and Microsoft PR plans (" games can be art" etc.) against Nintendo' s Eiji Aonuma (" our goal is to just make games that are fun" ), Hecker finds the latter approach " not good enough." He claims that games can be a legitimate art form in the 21st century, " it' s just ours to f*** up." Jokingly (?) threatening to rush tomorrow' s Miyamoto keynote, Hecker concluded by giving two pieces of completely unsolicited advice to Nintendo:

1) Push games as a serious art form, and 2) " Make a console that doesn' t suck ass."

One wonders how many in the development community share this opinion...

Is Hecker right or wrong?

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He' s got a point. It is underpowered, no question. Bottom line however, this machine has saved Nintendo (along with the DS) and prevented them from going the way of Sega. It was a smart business move. From a developers standpoint I can understand the frustration. Before this generation started I asked myself what I wanted from the games that were to come. A graphical upgrade (duh), Innovative gameplay and most important to me, A.I. that doesn' t resemble a mildly retarded chimpanzee.

Wii is almost certain to provide innovative gameplay but my other two desires cannot be addressed on the Wii, not to the degree they can be on the 360 or PS3.
Wii may have the casual gaming kid category locked up, but the Hardcore Gamer that can' t afford a PC rig to get there fix on will go elsewhere; hopeing for games that are legitmate and serious attempts at pushing the industry towards widespread acceptance as the new entertainment arts medium.

Who the hell' s Hecker??

but how intelligent the console can be for delivering more " serious" games

Serious Games??? WTF?

Games are supposed to be Fun not serious, thats the whole piont of taking something and turing it into a game.

If i was there, i would repeatedly GTA-style stamp on his head and show everyone the difference between a playing game and being ' serious' .

Fool.

Hah, it' s always refreshing to hear someone who is not afraid to say what they think. John Carmack has done it, Gabe Newell, and there' s also that guy from Epic, (I forgot the name of that guy.)

Before we get on the flame train to oblivion, I think this guy does have valid points. Basically, for what Hecker wants to do with his games, the Wii is completely unsuited for. I think the Wii has very much a " get back to basics" mentality behind it. Get back to the essence of a game - what makes it fun? Whereas the other two consoles have a " how far can we push the boundaries of game design?" mentality. Both have their merits. Granted, the Wiimote supposedly does push game design boundaries, but we' ve yet to see anything groundbreaking come from it. It' s certainly not a " revolution" yet.

I do agree that hardware wise, the Wii is pretty disappointing, even for a Nintendo console. I mean, I was expecting a bit more grunt too. Maybe at least a 1Ghz processor? Dual Core? Definitely some more RAM? These things wouldn' t have broken the bank at all and given a little more flexibility. As it stands now, unlike last generation, porting a 360/PS3 game to a Wii would probably mean stripping the game down a lot. I think this will hurt Nintendo and a similar situation as before (GameCube) will occur where decent 3rd party games are going to be a rarity.

Sure, there' s always going to be a place for games that are simply fun. But in order for the industry to grow, a wider audience must be accepted. Much of the gaming audience has grown up. As a result, we want grown up games. Game designers are starting to realize this, and Nintendo doesn' t seem to be doing anything about it.

edit: Chris Hecker is part of the Advisory Board for the GDC. He' s working with Will Wright at the moment on the game Spore.

Serious Games??? WTF?

Games are supposed to be Fun not serious, thats the whole piont of taking something and turing it into a game.

If i was there, i would repeatedly GTA-style stamp on his head and show everyone the difference between a playing game and being ' serious' .

Fool.

HAHAHA this guys got a point. But I laugh at ppl who dont understand that nintendo can have simplicity and great gameplay at the same time. Nintendo wants to attract less serious gamers, and to do that they must create a console that dosent have an overwhelming amount of gizmos. In a sense, the wii wasnt made to be better (though it is), it was made to be different.

People like hecker are just half retarded chimpanzees (copywright, Icarus75) that think every company is trying to make systems to THEIR specifications and dont understand there is a different crowd out there that enjoy nintendos innovations, mediocre they mayt seem to some gear heads. Theres always the Xbox and PS3 guys, the wii is there for a different choice. what would it be like with the market dominated by xbox type consoles? no variety! t

Those of you calling wii sh**, your only saying that because its not ur type of console, so go buy an xbox and shut ur *@#% mouth! im sick of hearing from ignorant people like that!!!

I just like to remind everyone that Nintendo on two occasions used superior Graphical power to achieve console dominance and both attempts failed miserable (N64 + 4mb upgrade failed against ps1, GC failed against ps2). They tried a different approach (ala DS vs psp - less graphical power) and succeed beyond there own expectations. THey admitted that the DS was the testing ground for Wii - hence the emphasis of unique gamplay over graphics.

THis clown is entitled to his opinion, he comes off as a overthetop 360 or ps3 fanboy, but to a degree he is right. It still dissapoints me that the graphics weren' t a little better, but so long as Nintendo keeps there quality games rolling i' ll still be happy.

BTW there are many developers that like the Wii and what potential it has.

No, wii is shit because its gonna be exactly like the gamecube and only have 5 decent games (Shhhh. Dont tell F3 or A_Wiiner)

As a Nintendo Spokesman said..

Most major Developers have a Wii Dev kit and Nintendo want as many as these to try and produce games of all styles and New styles too.


Wii will show the difference between the ' Good' , ' bad' and Great developers.

Suprisingly EA have shown good so far with Wii. Madden was really good on Wii and Now Wii SSX is said to be the best Version so far, due to taking good advantage of the Wii controller.

Hecker obviously does not like a challange or has very little imagination. So he basically saying he wished Nintendo' s console was another 360/PS3.. he wants three consoles to practically do the same thing? Yes Hecker this is certainly the way forawrd

Nob.

.. Master i do agree, tho, its not entirely nintendo' s fault this time round. the 3rd party need to use thier imagination allittle.

Suprisingly EA have shown good so far with Wii. Madden was really good on Wii and Now Wii SSX is said to be the best Version so far, due to taking good advantage of the Wii controller.

EA hasnt done anything good in the past 10 yrs, and the Wii version of madden was the most half done of them all

Hecker obviously does not like a challange or has very little imagination. So he basically saying he wished Nintendo' s console was another 360/PS3.. he wants three consoles to practically do the same thing? Yes Hecker this is certainly the way forawrd

I see what your saying, but what im saying is yes its different from the other two, but it doesnt have many good games. They need more games. Just like the cube did

I wants my Mario Galaxy dammit!!!

.. Master i do agree, tho, its not entirely nintendo' s fault this time round. the 3rd party need to use thier imagination allittle.

YES!!!! someone who didnt call me masta. Fuck yeah

I completely agree, infact I wish he was more harsh. Considering that the Wii is supposed to last for 5 years, it has pretty meager specs. It' s not just graphics, it' s everything. At 250$ the Wii is a complete rip off, it should be priced at 150$ and have at least 256mb of ram. When I saw the specs for Wii for the first time, I lost a lot of respect for Nintendo. I' m not buying one before the price drops to less than 200$cnd. The only reason I' m even willing to spend that muchg is because I want Smash Bros.

I don' t even consider it to be a real console, more like a cheap toy you find in a cereal box.

I completely agree, infact I wish he was more harsh. Considering that the Wii is supposed to last for 5 years, it has pretty meager specs. It' s not just graphics, it' s everything. At 250$ the Wii is a complete rip off, it should be priced at 150$ and have at least 256mb of ram. When I saw the specs for Wii for the first time, I lost a lot of respect for Nintendo. I' m not buying one before the price drops to less than 200$cnd. The only reason I' m even willing to spend that muchg is because I want Smash Bros.

I don' t even consider it to be a real console, more like a cheap toy you find in a cereal box.

The wii is cutesy! Its kinda like a girls accesory, but for boys as well, its something you pick up now and then and play with now and then. Sure there are fun games and more will be made but the problem will arise soon for gamers such as myself.

Now Zelda looks decent, games wont look much better than zelda in 5 years. But what about the games made for PS3, Xbox 360 and the PC. For major story driven games, action games rpg, atmosphere is important graphics does a lot in the department, and in 5years, putting a game into your wii, will feel like powering up your old PS1, and not for nostalgia

No, wii is shit because its gonna be exactly like the gamecube and only have 5 decent games (Shhhh. Dont tell F3 or A_Wiiner)

Nah, I think the guy had some points, but really didn' t look at the large picture. I think what you said was down right ignorant, right now Wii has more decent games than the PS3, can' t compare to 360 really.

A lot of people will get defensive and attack the Wii...because to put it most plainly...they are graphics whores...this Hecker guy sounds exactly like that.

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Q2 Wii releases...

April 9 Super Paper Mario - Nintendo
April Prince of Persia Rival Swords - Ubisoft
April Bust-A-Move Bash - Majesco
April Bioncle Heroes - Eidos
May 15 Mortal Kombat: Armageddon - Midway
May 29 Mario Party 8 - Nintendo
May Tamagotchi Party On - Namco Bandai
May Disney' s Pirates of the Caribbean: World' s End - Disney
May Escape from Bug Island - Eidos
May Spider-Man The Movie 3 - Activision
June 11 Big Brain Academy - Nintendo
June 25 Pokemon Battle Revolution - Nintendo
June Cosmic Family - Ubisoft
June Spring Heatseeker - Codemasters
Summer Legend of the Dragon American - Game Factory
Summer Shrek the Third - Activision
Summer Transformers the Game - Activision

As much as i hate to say it, Wii is screwed. Aside from Twilight Princess there' s nothing i' m even remotely interested in playing either on release or due out in the next 4 months. Summer will be dead and it' d be late August/early September before anything decent hits shelves.

The irony here is that everybody (myself included) wished for more 3rd party games on Gamecube as the only great games were Nintendo made (with a few exceptions; RE4, REmake, Rogue Leader/Rebel Strike, Killer 7 etc..) ...and now everybody is waiting for more Nintendo made games. Everybody is waiting for Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3.

What we' re getting from Nintendo in the next few months are; Super Paper Mario, Mario party 8, Big Brain Academy and Pokemon Battle Revolution, and none of those will sell me the system.

Nintendo have an unbelievable chance to retake their crown in the console arena and they' re making exactly the same mistake they made with Gamecube and holding all of the big games back. As soon as " newness" of the controller wears off they' ll stop selling in large numbers and i think predictions of Nintendo being ahead by Christmas 2007 are waaay off as i suspect both PS3 and 360 will see $100 price reductions.

How about wii put this into perspective..(did you see what I did there used the Wii instead of we...)

When the Wii (Or Revolution as it was originally titled) was announced it was supposed to bring a new dimension to console gaming, it has by having the motion controllers, but when you compare to the power of the PS3 and the 360 it looks old hat, yes the graphics could look better it could have more memory, it could have this and it could have that, but for whatever reason Nintendo decided to produce their product as we see it now. The exact same could be said for the " super" consoles from Sony and M$, if they added a larger drive to the 360 and an HDMI port, if Sony didn' t lie period.

The Wii is not shit, it is what people want to make of it, Hecker is obviously not as accomplished as he makes out otherwise he would write the software to console not try to port from one system to another, try creating something new instead of the same old shit. He is obviously a one dimension person only able to concentrate on one or 2 mediums, something else comes along and he struggles.

The Wii is there to put fun back into gaming, however what they should have done is market it as an alternative to going to the gym, have any of you tried half an hour with the boxing, or the tennis? That is where it will hit the mark, women not wanting to get to the gym and have a £179.99 workout whenever as opposed to spending £40 a month on gym membership.

The Wii is obviously underpowered. Its strenght is the " innovative" Wii-mote.
Of course, the Wii-mote itself can' t make a game more advanced or closer to art, it can only affect the gameplay. So obviously, the gameplay is the only thing that will be enhanced on the Wii compared to the GCN.
The best product for us gamers would' ve been a super powerful console AND Wii-mote. However, Nintendo wants to have as big as a consumer base as possible so they chose to make a less powerful console to make it more affordable.
That' s the reason the Wii is underpowered. It' s about money. It also costs less to produce and by now we all know Nintendo makes money right from the start.

Now, the question is, did Nintendo make the right move by making the Wii so weak?
Will the Wii-mote make up for the loss in advanced gameplay?
Or would it have been better to release a powerful console + Wii-mote at a very, very high price?
I personally would' ve prefered a powerful Wii as I' m a gamer. It' s pretty clear that the Wii is not made for the hardcore gamer because then we would' ve gotten innovation as well as great graphics and physics etc.
But from a business point of view it might be better for Nintendo' s economy to go with the weak Wii, if they manage to sell more units thanks to the low price.

Only the future will tell if they made the right decision or not.

But I have to say I don' t agree when he says a more powerful console takes games closer to art. That' s up to the developers actually.
How smart the A.I. is or the physics have very little to do with the artistic values in a game, or the ideas behind its design.

I' m sorry but no.

It' s a games console, it' s not an exercise replacement and while some (Nintendo included) will push it that way through the media to try and attract more ' non-gamers' it' s not going to work out (haha, see what i did there!) like that.

Quite simply Nintendo couldn' t afford to develop a proper next-gen system to compete with Sony and Nintendo. Hell, if the market leader at over 100 million sold is having severe financial issues then how could Nintendo, a company that' s been kept afloat by successful handheld' s and the Pokemon franchise?!

What they did was tweak and re-package a Gamecube and create a new controller. Now, riding on the back of the uber-successful DS they' re pushing to attract people who haven' t traditionally been " into" gaming. But until Wii is being sold in gyms an not game stores there will be a direct correlation between Nintendo and gaming in the general publics eyes. Sales generated by tv reports and newspaper articles about the system being " healthy" will not account for a worthwhile percentage of their overall sales. It will be a minority.

Yes it' s nice to have a new input device, but Sony have adopted tilt and Microsoft will do before long. Sony and Microsoft have cameras that can be used for games and both are investing heavily in more party-like game types and retro classics through their respective arcade networks.

As soon as Microsoft and Sony drop their prices Nintendo won' t be able to compete as they' ve completely lost touch with the current gaming generation. Innovation is one thing and it' s something that Nintendo are very good at, ...and yes, we should salute them for it, ...but this industry, just like any other, is about making money. The money, incase you hadn' t realised, is not in non-gamers. At least it' s not in the West.

Japan is a completely different story and the market has changed drastically there, but it' s becoming an increasingly less and less important territory for consoles, as recognised by people like Kojima and Inafune.

I cannot foresee Wii being the huge success it was supposed to be and i can' t see it fulfilling it' s initial promise of re-vitalizing the games industry. I mean, right now we' re facing an epic battle of Snes vs Genesis proportions and that in itself will force creativity and innovation. Wii, unfortunately, will age very very quickly. I' d like to think Nintendo could hold their own but Wii burning out quickly is far more likely than it being an insane success.

There' s a reason summer blockbusters (movies) are successful y' know.

Nice pun there, I was only joking about the gym thing, my fiance wants one as she has read up about the Wii diet thing on the net.

I still stand by my point of the wii is what you make of it, as in if someone wants a wii to have fun and not be serious then they will accept the flaws, if you want a wii because you have a PS3 and a 360 and your a gadget freak you will again accept the flaws, if you are a serious gamer, then your buggered, you are right in your view of M$ and Sony dropping prices then Nintendo will be shafted, and yes I know money in the west is not in the Non-gamers, however I feel a lot of parents who are not up with Gaming knowledge will go for it for little Jimmy as it would seem the price is low compared to the 360 and the PS3 at the moment.

The jap market is and always will be a law unto themselves and nothing makes sense there, they like Blue Dragon' s ffS.

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I feel a lot of parents who are not up with Gaming knowledge will go for it for little Jimmy as it would seem the price is low compared to the 360 and the PS3 at the moment.

Didn' t help the Gamecube or Dreamcast.

Fortunately for Nintendo supply hasn' t met demand yet, ...but when it does i can' t see Wii selling the numbers each month Nintendo needs to be seriously competitive.

Nintendo really needs the games, and thats it, I could handle the lack of powerful hardware, but for a system to only get 2-3 must have games a year seems fairly weak. The next must-have is coming in Winter 07. Thats a long wait.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

I love all of the classic Nintendo franchises, but there comes a time when they have to admit to themselves that they can' t live on Mario and the likes alone.

Nintendo have to realize that they need to produce a console that 3rd party developers will develop for. I agree that we have to salute them for what they have done with the Wii, but come on, how many people here would like to see Mario Galaxy and Metroid on a Nintendo system that is just as powerful as a PS3 or 360? I would.

I will probably end up getting a Wii, just because the innovation of the Wiimote interests me, but I won' t pay $250CDN for one. I will wait until they drop the price, because I for one do not believe that it is worth paying $250CDN.

It could' ve been the DS all over again.
But without games... meh

Umbrella Chronicles could fix this for a while.

But like i already said, what we have is exactly the same situation we had with Gamecube where people are waiting for Nintendo' s [own] biggest games and the big guaranteed-hit exclusives from companies like Capcom.

A lot of people will get defensive and attack the Wii...because to put it most plainly...they are graphics whores...this Hecker guy sounds exactly like that

Yep I have to agree.

Its not the hadware thats pisses me off its the lack of quality games at the moment and the fact that we have to wait untill winter to get games like Mario Galaxy and Prime 3.
I said it before and I will say it again, no game so far has showed what the Wii is capable of in terms graphics! Some people think Zelda is the height of what the Wii can do in terms of graphics which is bullshit! Prime 3 should show the true potential of the console.

So far though the Wii really has been disappointing, after Zelda there is nothing really worth getting at all. Its going to be a long wait untill Mario Galaxy and Prime 3...

It could' ve been the DS all over again.
But without games... meh

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This time into the DS people was thinking that it would do average too. Ill ateast wait till Next year.

Most major Developers have a Wii Dev kit and Nintendo want as many as these to try and produce games of all styles and New styles too.


Wii will show the difference between the ' Good' , ' bad' and Great developers.

April 9 Super Paper Mario - Nintendo
April Prince of Persia Rival Swords - Ubisoft
April Bust-A-Move Bash - Majesco
April Bioncle Heroes - Eidos
May 15 Mortal Kombat: Armageddon - Midway
May 29 Mario Party 8 - Nintendo
May Tamagotchi Party On - Namco Bandai
May Disney' s Pirates of the Caribbean: World' s End - Disney
May Escape from Bug Island - Eidos
May Spider-Man The Movie 3 - Activision
June 11 Big Brain Academy - Nintendo
June 25 Pokemon Battle Revolution - Nintendo
June Cosmic Family - Ubisoft
June Spring Heatseeker - Codemasters
Summer Legend of the Dragon American - Game Factory
Summer Shrek the Third - Activision
Summer Transformers the Game - Activision

As much as i hate to say it, Wii is screwed.

Lol until the summer only?? lol

Wii' s cool as it ever is..


Also people complaining about Wii' s power are just Graphics whores.. Power does not mean fuck all to me, its what u do with it.. IVe owned a 360 and have not been overwhelmed by any of its games.

Infact ive just seen Paper mario and that has been one of the most visually impressive game ive seen seen as late (and so are the ideas)..

Heck and Co can go STFU untill they can create something anywhere near as polished as that.

Well, I still have my hopes up for the Wii.
I always prefer gameplay over graphics so I' m not a graphics whore but I should say that good graphics are never a bad thing. The Wii is good, but a powerful Wii would' ve been even cooler!
By skipping the powerful graphics they simply didn' t care about hardcore gamers who want it all: Graphics AND gameplay.
Of course, hardcore gamers can still enjoy the Wii but it' s clear that Nintendo' s focus is not on them.

The one thing everyone is forgeting hear is the WII is aimed at the younger game players who are in the 3-12yr old age group so nintendo have made a cheap fun to play console for the kids to play when the big boys/adult play their ps3/360

nintendo are smart let sony and MS fight it out for the top slot they are happy with the kids market

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The one thing everyone is forgeting hear is the WII is aimed at the younger game players who are in the 3-12yr old age group so nintendo have made a cheap fun to play console for the kids to play when the big boys/adult play their ps3/360

nintendo are smart let sony and MS fight it out for the top slot they are happy with the kids market

Um, ...no. Go back outside and let the neighborhood bullies beat you up some more eh...

Lol until the summer only?? lol

Well until and including the summer yeah. Their 2nd quarter should be full of good titles and it isn' t.

Wii isn' t even in the ' impulse buy' price bracket and so it' s going to rely on software to carry it just like any other console.

What Nintendo are doing is waiting until Microsoft and Sony' s bigger games are hitting to release their own. Alan Wake, Halo 3 and GTA IV will go head to head with Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 when in reality they really need those games now. Well, actually no they don' t because supply hasn' t met demand yet and so sales are guaranteed even without more software, ...but June/July would have been perfect for them as they could have banked on hype generated at E3 and entered late August/early September on a high instead of a slump.

I also believe that as cool as Galaxy is it' ll get overshadowed by the new Ratchet and new Banjoe games.

I also believe that as cool as Galaxy is it' ll get overshadowed by the new Ratchet and new Banjoe games.

Are you serious Nitro??

unless you are in the 3-12yr age group i can see why people dont like the WII

nintendo has always been about the cartoon style style look to their games and as far as i can work out you dont need a big powerfel console that csts top dollar

for the price nintendo put their console on the market for parants dont mind buying it for the kids

Metroid 3 dosent show off the wii' s power if it looks partically the same as mp1 + 2.

Resident evil 4 was nice on the gamecube at the time, I might be impressed at how they get it, but I dont think I' ll be blown away by any wii game [graphics] in the next 5 years

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Who the hell said that the Wii is for kids 3-12 years old???

So you are saying, in your infinite stupidity, that millions of 3-12 year olds have gone out, gotten good paying jobs, and have bought all of the Nintendo Wii' s???

I don' t post here as much as most people here, nor do I pretend to have the knowledge of what is inside a console, but I know better than to come in here spewing shit.

The Wii has great potential, and I agree with what others have said that it is up to Nintendo to get the 3rd party devs on board, and not rely on Nintendo dev games all of the time.

Metroid 3 dosent show off the wii' s power if it looks partically the same as mp1 + 2.

Well, according to a preview that we linked to in one of the threads, Metroid Prime 3 looks much, much, much better than the first two games. Yay!

I don' t agree with the statement that Nintendo games or consoles would be for children. But I' m not going to argue with it because someone with such an opinion must be so close minded and shallow that it would be completely impossible to have a decent conversation about it.

Honestly, I don' t care if games doesn' t look any better than Twilight Princess or Resident Evil 4 from a technical point of view because I seriously think both those games are much nicer to look at than Gears of war or any other next-gen game out there. I still think many SNES games look better than most next-gen games so when it comes to the visual beauty I say fuck powerful hardware.

What I don' t like missing with the Wii is advanced calculations like advanced physics and such. Those things can add a lot to the gameplay.

Metroid 3 dosent show off the wii' s power if it looks partically the same as mp1 + 2.

Here is the thread that Ginjirou is talking about:

LINK

Here is a quote from the article that Nitro posted:

The graphics looked amazing -- better than Halo 2 on the Xbox without a doubt -- and the levels showed off sparkling details, proving the Wii is far more powerful than the Gamecube.

Silent you are judging the visuals on months old vids of the game.

Resident evil 4 was nice on the gamecube at the time, I might be impressed at how they get it, but I dont think I' ll be blown away by any wii game [graphics] in the next 5 years

I' m not talking about being blown away by the visuals!! I' m just saying that we HAVE NOT seen the true graphical capabilities of the Wii, thats all.

your right the kids dont have jobs or money but their parants do the people who brought the WII for them at xmas

are you telling me that games like smooth moves an monkey ball are for kids older than 12

how many kids older than 12 can you see thinking the mini mi and ?s like what do you like best ice cream or apple pie were everyone votes cool on the WII channel

what age group do you think the MII channel is aimed at ?
what age group do you think ps3 home is aimed at ?

WII is for the younger market
xbox/ps3 for the older market

all the older gamers slag off the nintendo stuff as its not aimed at them

are you telling me that games like smooth moves an monkey ball are for kids older than 12

FFS! Anybody can enjoy these games! I' m a few years older than 12 and I love Monkeyball and Wario Ware. Just because a game looks kiddy doesn' t mean that only kids can enjoy it!

you are getting me all wrong hear

the nintendo stuff has always been great fun to play

nintendo just dont seam to be bothered competing with the hiher spec stuff like ps3/xbox they have just stuck to what they do best great fun games to play which is why the WII remotes works so well on a nintendo bit of kit

i have a WII and the 1st thing i done with it was download mario 64 and mario Kart 64 and really hope the release goldeneye,diddy kong racing and f-xeoro as for me they are the best games of all time for game play

but if you are expecting anything more than update versoins of great old games like mario or mario kart or other big games from nintendo then you are fooling yourself

the WII is just not powerful enought to do anything more

Wii for younger gamers?

T1KARMANN You have lack of understanding..

Wii has MUCH more adult owners than younger ones.. So your arguments have ended before they even began.