Does the sony management reshuffle mean no more ps4???

Ok this directly links to Majiks Thread, although its a report from FT.com which paints a more bleaker outlook on the sudden management reshuffle compared to playstation.coms more positive view on the matter.

link - http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f6728ed8-8095-11db-9096-0000779e2340.aspx

Analysts said that Mr Hirai’s promotion to a global role at SCE could mark a critical shift in management thinking, with Sony changing its emphasis so that the current generation of games console will be its last as a hardware manufacturer.

“The appointment of Hirai could be the start of a shift from hardware to software,” said Yuta Sakurai, an analyst at Nomura. “I cannot now imagine a PlayStation4.”

Mr Sakurai said that Mr Hirai’s new global portfolio puts a predominantly software-focused manager in charge of the company, adding that SCE’s future would be shaped by Mr Hirai’s relationship with Phil Harrison, the president of SCE’s worldwide studios.

Analysts argue that while Mr Kutaragi, a brilliant engineer, was the right man to run SCE as a hardware powerhouse, Sony may now see better opportunities as a pure maker of games.

WTF??? I hated sony but i don' t want them to get out of the console business altogether.

There' s going to be a PS4. Don' t worry about it.

No it means the PS4 will be a super Uber computer capable of doing enough floating ops to tear the fabrick of time and space as we know it. Not to mention Killzone 4 will display more polygons than real life AND do it all in 5 dimentions!

WTF??? I hated sony but i don' t want them to get out of the console business altogether.

I' ve wanted them out of the industry after PSONE. But I doubt Sony will leave the console ring they have known the potential of winning in this industry and if they can' t take losing then my philosophy about them holds up.

" What most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things."
~ Unknown ~

No it means the PS4 will be a super Uber computer capable of doing enough floating ops to tear the fabrick of time and space as we know it. Not to mention Killzone 4 will display more polygons than real life AND do it all in 5 dimentions!

OMFG ROFL! plus it can even be displayed thoughtout multiple dimensions, times, and create a link to our cerebral cortex

- Phoenix|Slash
- A.K.A. HumpY...Gimme' A Leg

PS4 is going to be so powerful they are calling it PS5.

I' ve wanted them out of the industry after PSONE. But I doubt Sony will leave the console ring they have known the potential of winning in this industry and if they can' t take losing then my philosophy about them holds up.

dude sony rocks thats y thier #1...

shit-box-360 is a dubbed down ps3
i rekon wii will beat down microsoft

- Phoenix|Slash
- A.K.A. HumpY...Gimme' A Leg

dude sony rocks thats y thier #1...

shit-box-360 is a dubbed down ps3
i rekon wii will beat down microsoft

But they aren' t #1 this Gen Microsoft is :P (In sales)

Sony has bastardized the industry since they first came in. The only real addition to this industry which Sony provided which really allowed for it to flourish was changing the image of Gaming. Prior to Sony gaming was for Geeks and Nerds, after Playstation however gaming became something that was cool.

Like I' ve stated before if it wasn' t for Sony releasing PS2 Dreamcast would have probably flourished and SEGA wouldn' t be putting out shitty titles like they are currently. I' ll always hate Sony for that...oh and I just hate the whole Mega-Corporation stepping into Video Gaming I hate Xbox when it first came out...then I played Halo and was hooked...then I realized Microsoft was actually trying to change and innovate in gaming.

Seriously though give me 2 things Sony did that are industry standards today?

Edit: And 360 is not a " dubbed down" PS3, they are made from parts...you can' t exactly rip off parts...especially if they are available for your computer. Are you trying to suggest that my computer is a " dubbed up" PS3?

" What most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things."
~ Unknown ~

I know this analyst' s prediction probably wont come true, it' s quite interesting none the less. But with sonys current (rather dire) situation i wouldn' t dismiss this prediction altogether.

lol

cartidges > cd' s = sony
cd' s > DVD' s = sony
DVD > Blu-Ray = sony

2d > 3d arcade style gfx = sony
bringing new light to the industry = sony
showing microsoft the possibilities = sony...wait thats a bad thing

xbox thought they could use their billions to try to steal the money out of the industry, any company that tries to be a conglomerate and own everything is wrong! if sony did that (may 1 day) then they would lose some support

- Phoenix|Slash
- A.K.A. HumpY...Gimme' A Leg

xbox thought they could use their billions to try to steal the money out of the industry, any company that tries to be a conglomerate and own everything is wrong! if sony did that (may 1 day) then they would lose some support

At least you have the presence of mind to say that, and we can agree with you.

But for one thing, you used the ' >' and ' <' wrongly =/

Now THAT' S embarrassingly.

' >' means ' greater than' , and ' <' means less than.

Basically, you got them mixed up. And it' s a purely pictorial symbol. That' s...kinda dumb, sorry.

Unfortunately, and this is very obvious; Sony has been trying to do this since Playstation. In the very same vein as Apple with its iPod, they conquered the market because there was simply no real competitors besides Nintendo, which had its share of problems until its recent advent of the Wii!

Economics 101 would explain that consumers loss consumer welfare if the market is controlled by a single company, and this is exactly what Sony has done till PS2 and the Xbox came out.

The truth is that every single gamer would LOVE to see Microsoft as the big bad conglomerate company that' s trying to take over the gaming market. But it IS a naturally very commercial business, and Microsoft has honestly done nothing that no other gaming company has done.

Sony is not even a ' gaming' company either, it' s a much larger electronics brand.

But for one thing, you used the ' >' and ' <' wrongly =/

Now THAT' S embarrassingly.

' >' means ' greater than' , and ' <' means less than.

> = progression from > to duh

..." Now THAT' S embarrassingly." ... grammar would help

- Phoenix|Slash
- A.K.A. HumpY...Gimme' A Leg

The progression in media & technology has been pushed by sony no doubt about it but its not always a good thing. The ps3 is currently suffering major shortages due to its inclusion of a blu ray drive. THis has mean its previously forcasted estimates of 4million ps3s Worldwide by years end has dropped to as low as 500k in only America and Japan. IT also meant the price of the console is considerably higher, at US$500-600 means that once all the hardcore fans get the console the price will be difficult to sell to your average consumer. Also considering the over US$240 loss per ps3 sold that price will stay the same for a long time (maybe 2 years?). This low install base means developers have lower chances of earning money, means less exclusive ps3 games which means less people buying the ps3 (theoretically speaking). All this because sony wanted to pack all the latest technology into one bleeeding edge device. Is this a good thing? Ask the consumers who own ps3 and currently have a small selection of games available and will apparently for the forseeable future (http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21378), ask the developers who will lose money because the low user base means they can' t sell the 500k units of software to break even (according to Namco), plus on top of the poor attach rate of 1.5 games per ps3 console (currently), or ask sony who despite selling the ps3 at a high price still takes a loss.

cartidges > cd' s = sony
cd' s > DVD' s = sony
DVD > Blu-Ray = sony

2d > 3d arcade style gfx = sony
bringing new light to the industry = sony
showing microsoft the possibilities = sony...wait thats a bad thing

Sega did CD first, though Originally Sony and Nintendo were set to make a system for CD (it eventually became the playstation) the idea wasn' t Sony' s.

DvD' s are better, but Sony did not create the DvD format it was merely an industry choice at the time (media industry that is).

Blu-ray' s though they have more capacity still haven' t really proven to be a staple upgrade.

3d is something Sega did first...once again.

Bringing a new image to the industry is more like it.

Yep if it wasn' t for Sony Microsoft probably wouldn' t be in this game.

Now I asked for 2 Industry Standards...3d was the only you gave me and it wasn' t Sony' s.

Using DvD' s wasn' t an industry standard until this Gen...and even then it isn' t a standard.

If you had included Dual Analog I might have taken that...but once again Nintendo had already done that on their N64 controller...speaking of controllers those are probably the best example for Industry Standards review this article (which is a cool read) to understand what I am getting at.
Mind you the first 2 are not standards.

" What most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things."
~ Unknown ~

if it wasn' t for sony making the moves xbox would hav been a dead end system....oh wait it is ahahahah

- Phoenix|Slash
- A.K.A. HumpY...Gimme' A Leg

I hope Sony gets taught a real lesson in how the manage their buisness this gen. A shift in the marketplace wouldnt be bad!

Starting at the top...

WTF??? I hated sony but i don' t want them to get out of the console business altogether.

It' s a possibility. The amount of money they are forecast to lose in the next 5 years is immense and the possibility of them making enough money back from console sales (if it does become profitable at all) and royalties is extremely low. Sony' s metaphorical ass could only possibly be saved by Blu-Ray' s domination of the home-video market, something that is looking increasingly unlikely.

For the past decade Sony has been reliant on it' s games division. Dominating the 20b/year industry has kept them afloat and has been the only constantly strong sector. Developing CELL and Blu-Ray simultaneously has cost them severely so far. The original decision to use multiple CELL processors to power PS3, meaning having no GPU, was retarded. IOt doesn' t even work in theory. When they saw it wasn' t viable they ran to NVIDIA with a sum of money and basically asked what they could get for it.

A year of bad management (more than a year, but a year publically) complete with stupid quotes galore, total arrogance towards the competition, 2 pathetic E3 showings, numerous delays etc has meant tons of bad press, which in turn has resulted in hits to the share prices. Hits to the share prices have pissed off major shareholders and they' ve decided a management shuffle might help. Publishers are looking and saying " actually we' ll just wait and see what happens before we commit to anything" and Sony' s shareholders need to appease them. Shuffling the management team is a public offering to those publishers and developers, and it' s meant to look like Sony are taking responsibility for the past year and saying " ok, we' ve fucked up and we' re doing something about it" .

Sony can' t actually " afford" to build as many PS3' s as they need yet. They are losing money on every machine sold and simply can' t absorb the damage like Microsoft could. PS2 is needed to keep them on their feet and every dollar made from their second console this holiday will be going straight into building more of their third. For Sony, PS4 is a loooooooooooonnnnnnnnnggggggg way off.

dude sony rocks thats y thier #1...

shit-box-360 is a dubbed down ps3
i rekon wii will beat down microsoft

Living upside down has affected your brain. Try not to think too hard.

Sega did CD first, though Originally Sony and Nintendo were set to make a system for CD (it eventually became the playstation) the idea wasn' t Sony' s.

Incorrect. TurboGrafx 16 used an optical drive before SEGA.

DvD' s are better, but Sony did not create the DvD format it was merely an industry choice at the time (media industry that is).

Sony had their own DVD format but it wasn' t chosen by the DVD forum as the standard and they couldn' t get it going. They lost out to Toshiba. Interesting eh?!

3d is something Sega did first...once again.

No, you mean Nintendo. Super FX baby!

If you had included Dual Analog I might have taken that...but once again Nintendo had already done that on their N64 controller

Nintendo had a dual analog controller before Sony?! No.

If we were talking analog control then SEGA was first to market with their NiGHTS pad, although Nintendo had showcased their N64 controller months before. Sony were the first to use dual analog sticks and Nintendo were the first to use force feedback.

> = progression from > to duh

..." Now THAT' S embarrassingly." ... grammar would help

Squeeze me?

Byakko' s grammar is far superior to the vast majority here, including yours. She' s also correct in saying that...

' >' means ' greater than' , and ' <' means less than.

...progression has nothing to do with it. moving from one thing - another uses a completely different symbol. Did' ya catch it?!

Also, your entire post...

lol

cartidges > cd' s = sony
cd' s > DVD' s = sony
DVD > Blu-Ray = sony

2d > 3d arcade style gfx = sony
bringing new light to the industry = sony
showing microsoft the possibilities = sony...wait thats a bad thing

xbox thought they could use their billions to try to steal the money out of the industry, any company that tries to be a conglomerate and own everything is wrong! if sony did that (may 1 day) then they would lose some support

...is dumb/wrong/laughable/the perfect example of Sony' s idiot casual userbase.

I hope Sony gets taught a real lesson in how the manage their business this gen. A shift in the marketplace wouldn' t be bad!

And i fear that without a significant change, the industry would be headed for another crash.



I don' t know why i bother.

Incorrect. TurboGrafx 16 used an optical drive before SEGA.

I was going off the top of my head I had a nagging feeling that TG-16 did it first :/

I was thinking of the GC controller instead of the single Analog the N64 one had :P

Thanks for the corrections Majik.

" What most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things."
~ Unknown ~

ORIGINAL: Alecrein

Incorrect. TurboGrafx 16 used an optical drive before SEGA.

I was going off the top of my head I had a nagging feeling that TG-16 did it first :/

I was thinking of the GC controller instead of the single Analog the N64 one had :P

Thanks for the corrections Majik.

PSone had a Dual Analog, then incorporating force feedback and becoming the Dual Shock. Thus the PS2 version being called the Dual Shock 2.

Gamecube however had the best controller last gen. At least, i prefer it.

last gen I prefered 1)the dual shock 2
2)the smaller x box controller (I think it was called the S type but I am not sure)
3)Gamecube controller
4)xbox fat ass uncomfortable controller

this gen I prefer 360' s by far I mean Microsoft really did their homework on that one

Gamecube however had the best controller last gen. At least, i prefer it.

Yeah that' s 1 nice smooth controller, good that it' ll be used with wii as well.

I found the L/R triggers to be a bit to deep to press though, but still usefull.

- Phoenix|Slash
- A.K.A. HumpY...Gimme' A Leg

The original Xbox controller was awful. Definitely not the result of extensive testing.

Why is everyone worried about the PS4, the PS3 is looking like it is going to die on it' s backside, seeing as each game published needs to sell at least 500K copies, how many dev houses are going to risk financial security on a system that has been over burdened by component issues, release delays and the most worrying thing of all that the seemingly endless number of dev houses now taking their " exclusives" to the 360.
The move would appear to be something of a knee jerk reaction to Ken Kuratagi' s apparent lack of communication during the run up to the launch, if he isn' t already he should be preparing to commit Hari Kari.

Yeah that' s 1 nice smooth controller

Yeah I think its an excellant pad but the really small D pad did piss me off however it was alot better than the overrated dualshock 2.

And i fear that without a significant change, the industry would be headed for another crash.

I think that if Sony dropped out of the console race, then it is a possibility.

I would be shocked if Sony doesn' t make a PS4.

...but, I only hate Sony because of how cocky they got over the course of this year. But even then, I' m still trying to give the PS3 the benift of the doubt.

...Random Madness, Forward...

Need I Say Anything???

One of these analysis will be right some day, as they seem to bet on every odd.

They make me laugh.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

I don' t think that the PS3 will just die.
Maybe just have some teething problems for a while just like microsoft did
but thats normal for the first year of a system release...

- Phoenix|Slash
- A.K.A. HumpY...Gimme' A Leg

The original Xbox controller was awful. Definitely not the result of extensive testing.

Yeah, whose hands were they made for, bloody King Kongs?

Mine?

I liked it very much,but after using the new 360 controller i would never go back.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

The original Xbox controller was awful. Definitely not the result of extensive testing.

Your shrivelled grandma hands couldn' t handle The Duke, eh?

Just kidding. Actually I' ve long suspected that the playtesters who convinced MS that that was a good controller were secretly trying to sabotage MS.

I liked " The Duke" . It fit my hands nicely.

ORIGINAL: Eddie_the_Hated

I liked " The Duke" . It fit my hands nicely.

If by the duke you mean the first xbox1 controller then i agree. Its big size meant it fit comfortably in my hands. The smaller xbox1 controller gave me cramps (due to its small size) and i just refused outright to use it. The 360 has got to be the most confortable controller currently available, just beating the GC controller IMO. Gotta give kudos to microsoft, at least they made an effort to improve there controller design compared to another company i shall not mention *cough* sony *cough*.

If MS dominates the console hardware market it will be a sad day for gamers. For everyone' s sake lets hope there IS a ps4.

I got to agree with Evil 100% there. sony and microsoft must stay in the console business to keep each other on there toes (Nintendo goes there own direction). The last thing i want is a microsoft monopoly in the console business.

How did they bastardize the industry? I myself was upset in a way because it' s success limited the success of the Nintendo 64(myself being an avid nintendo player since the NES), but I didnt hold sony responsible for that. Nintendo dropped the ball, and used cartidges instead of disks and didnt try and get the support of enough publishers.

You say Sony did nothing for the industry. Maybe " sony" didnt, but they payed developers and made a system they could use, and those developers made FF7, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo 1, 2 and 3(best true racing game ever) GTA3(vice city, San Andreas), Twisted Metal, Tony Hawk series, etc. The list goes on and on, most of the best and most succesful games of all time we Playstation exclusive, and if they ever showed up on Xbox, it was years after release on the ps2. psOne dominated the market for years and years(I played nintendo 64 at the time not psOne, so dont think I' m a fanboy) and they basically put the first beatdown on sega, and took Nintendo' s share, all with their first system.

You say Microsoft does revolutionary things. FOR ALL YOU HALO NERDS AND FANBOYS READ THIS!!!!!!!!! I was looking at Halo, being developed by Bungie when it was going to be an MMO, when it was supposed to be for the PC, with a dynamic and continuous world, where thousands of players would interact in the same world, fighting other players and computers that controlled the Covenant. This was a PC game that had already been fleshed out, and demo' d at e3, the engine was done, the models were made, the vehicles and guns were all playable, they even had maps done. Then Microsoft announced they would make an console......the Xbox, and needed a premier title. So, Microsoft seeing what potential Halo had, went and bought it, and payed bungie to make it for the Xbox. All of a sudden, a revolutionary FPS that was going to be the first of its kind in the MMO world, becomes an average FPS. Thanks Microsoft, for taking what was on its way to being an amazing game, and making it ok, and console specific.

Thats revolutionary? Halo 1 and 2 were good FPS games, thats it. They werent great, they werent revolutionary or amazing, they were good FPS. Halflife one and two, were and always will be better FPS' . Also, people raved about multiplayer Halo, well, the first and true Halo, was Goldeneye for the N64. That was the king of console FPS' s at the time, and no other game had done multiplayer console FPS like it to date.

Now, Microsoft did a good job with Xbox live, I will give them credit, they did exactly what I would have done, and every console maker should do. They took what was already succesfull on PC' s and ported to the Xbox. The idea of online gaming, upgradeable content, and recordable stats was already out there for PC, but Microsoft was smart enough to copy that in a user friendly medium to put on their system. Again, I give them credit for this, it was a great move, and pretty much, was the main thing that kept Xbox alive. This however wasnt revolutionary, just smart, it had already been done on the PC, they just did what Sony and Sega weren' t foresighted enough to do(the japanese arent into online gaming us much as the Europeans and North americans in particular are.

The smaller Xbox controller was ok, and the 360' s is nice too. My favorite controller of all time is the N64 controller, and I loved the Dpad on the Super NES controller(the N64, and all subsequent controllers dont have as smooth a Dpad). I say that about the Dpad cuz I love street fighters, and sony/nintendo/xbox dpads hurt my thumb after a while, but the SNES never did.

I personally didnt like the GC controller, it was like a bad virtual boy controller, the trigger pulls were too long, the buttons were too small, then too large, for no good reason. The Xbox controllers were both better IMO.

After the N64 died off, I have too choose the ps2/ps3 controller as my fav, having parralel Joysticks is perfect for so many games, and I just find it easy to hit multiple buttons in succesion, and the triggers are always easy to click fast, and with the new resistance triggers for R2, and L2, sony has the best triggers in the industry, that I think Xbox and anyone else should copy. Trust me, for racing games, having a long, pressure sensitive trigger for throttle is great, the best part being that it has resistance so you dont just jam the gas all the time.

Halo was originally and RTS. Moron.

no, it wasnt. I don' t know what to say other than that, if you can find old E3 demo' s you can see it was going to be an FPS MMO, and wasnt that far from completion.

Bungie.net - Halo before Xbox

Don' t try to corrupt us with your Jew lies again!