Makes interesting reading - is there any historical data for the ps2 launch?

Wait and see how much software is sold with Wii. I hope no one here comes to the conclusion that Exite Bike is better then Resistance Fall of Man.

Excite truck kicks the crap outta of resistance.. IT like how burnout should have been.. but with a much deeper more enoyable control system.

Its a unique one also inwhich not only do u control the wheel axis from left to right but you also control the depth on how your truck floats of dipps. And its supposed to kick ass..

Even looking at Wii sports videos look pure class as far as fun new gameplay experiences go.

Wii deserves to Own japan ,which it will do.

ORIGINAL: musashi

Makes interesting reading - is there any historical data for the ps2 launch?

I figured you would have those figures actually...

630,552 units for the Japanese launch, 400,000 for the US launch.

So, in Japan...

PS2

630,552 units sold, 233,391 copies of RRV sold.

Xbox 360

159,000 units available, 62,135 sold, 29,891 copies of RR6 sold.

PS3

83,000 units sold, 27,000 copies of RR7 sold.



RR7 has a day one attach rate of 0.32

RR6 had a day one attach rate of 0.48

RRV had a day one attach rate of 0.37

It' s not the end of the world but Sony need to get more units into stores quickly. The US figures should be much higher.

BTW Majik i' m not sure why Resistance has sold only 16000 and makes up 40% where as ridge racer sold 27000 and makes only 38%??? Have your sources got maths problems or do the precentages represent something else (like software sold compared to actual stock)

Yes Terrak it' s the percentage sold of units shipped. It should read like this...

- Ridge Racer 7 Bandai Namco: 27.000 St. (38 %) 71.000 shipped
- Gundam Bancai Namco: 20.000 St. (26 %) 77.000 shipped
- Resistance Sony: 16.000 St. (40 %) 40.000 shipped
- Genji Sony: 10.000 St. (20 %) 50.000 shipped

Ouch...the simplest way to express my feeling over this.

Ah then it makes sense! (i thought is was game sold vs ps3' s sold or something silly like that)

So resistance FOM isn' t doing so well in Japan after all!!

Maybe its true, they just don' t like FPS.

BTW i just calculated all the games sold and (i hoped i calculated right) for all 5 launch games they sold only 76,000 games. However they also sold 83,000 ps3 (according to the link Majik gave) so thats not even 1 game per console. So sony has lost a bundle and the game sales hasn' t even begun to heal the hurt the ps3 venture has heaped on sony. Granted the variety of games was poor but whos fault is that??

Where have I been?????? PS3 launched in Japan already???

(I have actually been playing Ninja Gaiden Black religiously to get
my score/data back as the xbox with my previous data broke down
I' m preparing for Sigma and NG2)

But wow... Now it should hurry up and come out here...

Really,whatever you think about any console,you gotta admit its nice with that the console war finally begins,and to finally say,ps3 is here,ps2 is dead :)

next-gen is here.

It was always here with 360,but the real war,and options shows up now.

It appears your facts are tainted majik

the xbox 360 sold 62,135 hardware units in its first two days not its first day.
Same as with RR6

the ps3 sold 88,400 units in two days and RR7 in two days has sold 30,300 copies

If you don' t believe me read it yourself

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745507p1.aspx

As for PS3 being #1 in 2007 I think is a stretch if they are refering to world wide or japan I think the wii and ps3 will dominate 360 in japan but I think 360 will dominate ps3 sales world wide until some price drops thats just my opinion.

I agree quez I am glad its started.

ORIGINAL: C*Dub

It appears your facts are tainted majik

the xbox 360 sold 62,135 hardware units in its first two days not its first day.
Same as with RR6

the ps3 sold 88,400 units in two days and RR7 in two days has sold 30,300 copies

If you don' t believe me read it yourself

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745507p1.aspx

As for PS3 being #1 in 2007 I think is a stretch if they are refering to world wide or japan I think the wii and ps3 will dominate 360 in japan but I think 360 will dominate ps3 sales world wide until some price drops thats just my opinion.

I agree quez I am glad its started.

It was accurate enough. Especially seeing as i posted it the same day...

Either way, RR6 still sold better than RR7 and since the 360 launch was considered an absolute catastrophe, we also have to consider the same of the PS3 launch.

how do you figure RR6 sold better did you not read the link?

30,300 copies PS3 to 29,891 copies of RR6 sold 360
its not rocket science
all in all it doesn' t matter who cares about a few hundred copies but facts are facts my friend

it doesn' t matter but don' t beat around the bush when its plane black and white that you were wrong. It doesn' t matter everyone makes mistakes all I ask is that people don' t bs around and act like they didn' t make one.

I agree both launches were bad the wii will do well I think though

BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE BOUGHT THE PS3 to SELL IT ON EBAY , that' s why the ration of games sold over ps3' s sold is 0.98. some people just didn' t bother to buy a game since they' re putting it on ebay and plus it' s region free.

it doesn' t matter where the game is going (whether it is being resold or not) it matters how many are sold out of stores how much REVENUE a company gets from a game. Same thing with systems. And if your talkin revenue between 360 and ps3 yea the 360 has it in spades on the fact of how much money sony is losing per ps3 they produce.

But if you are going by total number of units sold for ps3 or RR7 vs RR6 you have to be blind or stupid to say the 360 has sold more units in japan in two days or that RR6 sold more than RR7 in two days. Note that this is just on the Japanese launch.

That determines its success. You gotta get that paper. Dollar Dollar bills yall

30,300 copies PS3 to 29,891 copies of RR6 sold 360
its not rocket science

No, it' s not rocket science an i' m guessing your an American and that you also flunked math.

You divide 30,300 copies of RR7 by 88,400 PS3' s sold to get an attach ratio of 0.34.

You divide 29,891 copies of RR6 by 62,552 360' s sold to get an attach ratio of 0.48.

0.48 is a bigger attach ratio than 0.34 and so RR6 sold better. RR7 sold " more" but the console to game tie ratio for RR6 + 360 was higher. If you applied RR6' s attach ratio to RR7 then you would be multiplying 0.48 by 88,400 and would end up with 42,400 copies of RR7 sold.

Get it?!

ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on


No, it' s not rocket science an i' m guessing your an American

Excuse me?

ORIGINAL: Rampage99

ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on


No, it' s not rocket science an i' m guessing your an American

Excuse me?

BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE BOUGHT THE PS3 to SELL IT ON EBAY , that' s why the ration of games sold over ps3' s sold is 0.98. some people just didn' t bother to buy a game since they' re putting it on ebay and plus it' s region free.

It' d be interesting to see the figures for that one. I' d be cool to see what ratio of early adopters are just making rediculous amounts of money on ebay.

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ORIGINAL: Rampage99

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ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on


No, it' s not rocket science an i' m guessing your an American

Excuse me?

That' s not nice, I' m american, & I' m sittin pretty on a C- thank-you-very-much.

ORIGINAL: Eddie_the_Hated

BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE BOUGHT THE PS3 to SELL IT ON EBAY , that' s why the ration of games sold over ps3' s sold is 0.98. some people just didn' t bother to buy a game since they' re putting it on ebay and plus it' s region free.

It' d be interesting to see the figures for that one. I' d be cool to see what ratio of early adopters are just making rediculous amounts of money on ebay.

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ORIGINAL: Rampage99

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ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on


No, it' s not rocket science an i' m guessing your an American

Excuse me?

That' s not nice, I' m american, & I' m sittin pretty on a C- thank-you-very-much.

A C- ???

I' m from the Uk and pretty bad at maths..

I just HATE numbers, it' s not even that it' s hard, just too many of them hurt my
friggin head.

Never show me binary code, source code, engine code, collision detection code,
i' ll just faint and pass out..

ORIGINAL: Tiz

I' m from the Uk and pretty bad at maths..

I just HATE numbers, it' s not even that it' s hard, just too many of them hurt my
friggin head.

Never show me binary code, source code, engine code, collision detection code,
i' ll just faint and pass out..

That' ll be because you' re a cockney...

I do understand that. and I agree with your math. but the subject is what sold better not attach ratio.

What you are saying doesn' t mean that RR6 sold better than RR7!!!

What you are saying means RR6 sold more in relation to how many 360' s were bought than to how many copies of RR7 were bought in relation to how many ps3 were sold.

NAMCO made more money selling 30,300 copies of RR7 than 29,891 copies of RR6.

You can' t say it sold better!!

But you can say it sold better in relation to how many consoles sold.

SO THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN SAY IT SOLD BETTER THE GAME ITSELF WHICH IS WHAT THIS WHOLE DEBATE IS ABOUT.

JUST ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG

you can ask anyone that is business and they will tell you the same thing. its about revenue for an individual product that determines which sold better in a comparison between to products. Its not a corelation between two products PS3 RR7 to 360 RR6 in comparison that determines which sold better. Do you think NAMCO is saying that RR6 sold better in two days than RR7?

you just don' t want to admit you made a mistake so you are putting out the attach ratio (I never disagreed with you on I guess you were assuming I was or somthing) which is irrelevant to what I saying you did wrong in the first place which is YOU SAID :

the 360 sold better in 2 days than ps3 and that RR6 sold better in two days than RR7

which is a fact that it was false.

I am done wasting my time on this I just wish you didn' t call me a stupid american because I didn' t want to call you a stubborn (wherever your from) that won' t admit when he was wrong.

as for your title I agree on the ps3 launch titles did bomb. but rr6 sold more than rr7 period.

and you can never say it was accurate anough (there is only right and wrong and true and false)