Rainbow Six Demo now Live

So what dyu guys think of the R6 demo that' s just come out??

I' m very impressed! The music, visuals, atmosphere, tactical mechanics are all pretty well done. Much better than GRAWs effort imo.

Only thing was that in some places it' s possible to get the game down to about 5 fps (not exaggerating!), but lets hope thats a demo issue.

So I might even get this for PC.

(btw feel free to merge this with Agent Ghost' s topic below. )

I haven' t had any frame rate issues at all. I in fact no one I know has had any. I' m not sure why a handful of people are experiencing this problem.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Oh really? That' s very strange cos I' m definitely having them. It' s smooth for the most part, but in some sections theres a noticable drop, and when theres smoke grenades going off, gunfire and enemy AI all working, the game goes into slo-mo!

I thought consoles were designed to be all equal?? [:' (]

so was this on a disc because it doesn' t show up on the market place for me.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

and I have two identical tony hawk' s 8 demos I can download. wtf

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

Microsoft is giving more Love to Europe then Sony currently, we don' t get the Demo (at least not for now).

LocoPuyo Major Nelson stated: NOT Available in: Canada, Mexico or the U.S.

" What most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things."
~ Unknown ~

Dammit! Europe gets an awesome demo i' ve been waiting for for AGES and i can' t play it until Saturday morning when i get home. Sucks...

I called my store,either i can come and get the TV today,or they drive to my door on thursday and leave it.

Gonna let them leave it.

:)
then i can dl this demo.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I d/l the demo... It' s a bit stiff...

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I' ll play it again..

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

The core game seems ur average affair, nothing new, but fairly enjoyable.

Motion blurr is way over the top and the framerate is the usual 360 affair but hs horrible FPS dipps when abit of AI, smoke effect take place.
(I give up on hope of having detailed, supersmooth 60fps FPS games on 360 anyway, it aint gonna happen.)

Not bad, but nothing new either. demo gets 7/10 for me.

(I give up on hope of having detailed, supersmooth 60fps FPS games on 360 anyway, it aint gonna happen.)

in fear of being labeled fanboy, it aint happening on any next gen console, 60 fps will always come with sacrifice of detail, thats a no brainer!

I d/l the demo... It' s a bit stiff...

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I' ll play it again..

Thats sounds really dodgy

in fear of being labeled fanboy, it aint happening on any next gen console, 60 fps will always come with sacrifice of detail, thats a no brainer!

I take every console as they come, ill wait till the Ps3' s second/third gerneration games before making judgement on that..

My current PC has passed that test with ease, Even the latest games Like the new fear, Battlefield, run flawlessly at 60fps and the difference between them and R6 is like night and day in the smoothness stakes.

It seems ' Screenshots' sell games nowdays, devs usually want the game to look as detailed as possible sacrificing the smoothness and physics (which i feel is MUCH more important after the actual way of the game..

It would be good if devs went the Nintnedo or ' Sega arcade' approach, were the 60fps is the first and formost and details second.

Actually it would be great if these 360 games let players have ' advanced' options so that the player can choose to turn off some of the graphics, like PC games..

I prefer detail instead of 60 FPS, though i do think its bad when a console is unsteady in its fps and especially if it goes below 30.

Its hard to compare a PC with a console, since the console hardware is fixed, and its bound to improve further when the 2nd and 3rd generation games come out for both consoles.

Screenshots does sell games, as does videos. A game sells well if it looks good, if it looks like crap and has 60fps, it wont sell!

I dont think the PS3 will be any different than 360, in any terms of fPS

Its hard to compare a PC with a console, since the console hardware is fixed, and its bound to improve further when the 2nd and 3rd generation games come out for both consoles.

The second gerneration 360 fps have come into play now, ALL aiming for 30fps, i cant see any progression on the 360 front TBH.

But i can see with the PS3, especially if you look at games like resistance inwhich has 40 player online modes running constantly at 30fps, and the devs still are saying they are only ' Scratching the service of the cell' . We' ll see anyway.

Screenshots does sell games, as does videos. A game sells well if it looks good, if it looks like crap and has 60fps, it wont sell!

Thats the thing, it dosent have to look crap to run at 60fps, you just need good artwork / and skillful developers.

Look at Dead Rising, Look at Wii Red steel and metroid, all rock steady 60fps and still look great and certainly will sell like hotcakes.

I prefer detail instead of 60 FPS

In the sad case most western gamers feel the same, Thats why we are getting more lazy developers.

Microsoft is giving more Love to Europe then Sony currently, we don' t get the Demo (at least not for now).

Yeah we can.
-Set up a German Hotmail account
-Enter a valid phone and address, this one should work.

Postal Code: 54292
City: Trier
Phone Number: 065112345

-Set up a new Live Silver Id on your 360 using your new German Hotmail account
-Log on download the demo and enjoy.

Actually it would be great if these 360 games let players have ' advanced' options so that the player can choose to turn off some of the graphics, like PC games..

what you just is said is CRAZY!

there should always be a balance between framerate and details... for me 30 fps do it in all genres except racing games... i wouldn' t bother much with 30 but 60 really does show off in a game like wipeout.

CRAZY

Why is it??? Yeah, i know unlike Pc' s, 360 are all the same spec, but the option to do this (if like me you much preffer the extra smoothness for online multi-player), would be welcome.. Then again the skill levels between Console and PC online FPS' s are totally different so it probably does not matter.

Yeah, the better option for me is simply ignoring 360fps and play them on the plattform they were made for and work best on, PC.

Thats the thing, it dosent have to look crap to run at 60fps, you just need good artwork / and skillful developers.

Look at Dead Rising, Look at Wii Red steel and metroid, all rock steady 60fps and still look great and certainly will sell like hotcakes.

No matter how you twist it, you will have less effects and polygons if you go for 60fps. Thats fact

The second gerneration 360 fps have come into play now, ALL aiming for 30fps, i cant see any progression on the 360 front TBH.

But i can see with the PS3, especially if you look at games like resistance inwhich has 40 player online modes running constantly at 30fps, and the devs still are saying they are only ' Scratching the service of the cell' . We' ll see anyway.

Come on? have you seen it running yet? Ofcourse they wont admit drops at this point, that would make Sony breathe down their necks. Up untill reviews of games everything is just propoganda, from both fronts.
And Sony is the biggest of the propaganda mongers!

I' ve played it, and the framerate drops when clearing a room with alot of onscreen effects, but honestly, it didn' t detract from the gameplay for me. If anything, it gave me an advantage with reaction time.

ORIGINAL: f3hunter

I d/l the demo... It' s a bit stiff...

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I' ll play it again..

Thats sounds really dodgy

lol.

What I meant was, the controls feel a bit stiff, and it isn' t one of the nicest flowing
games out there, admittedly I thought the game was amazing up until you started
playing. I was shooting, but never once saw any of the terrorists, the only bit
I like about it so far is the frag grenade, just throwing it to see how your team
reacts to it, and then there is the loss of sound!

Other than that, I haven' t been able to progress more than 2 minutes into the
demo.

I think GRAW was a lot easier to access than RB6..

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

It' s pretty crap that some regions get the demo and some don' t. I thought MS were all about worlwide launches. How hard is it to do that with an online demo??

The demo is pretty hard in places, unless you take full advantage of your team to flank enemies and breach new areas from different directions. I like that.

It seems the enemy AI goes ape shit when you just try to run at them, but stand around like lemons if you chuck a flashbang or smoke grenade into a room. It' s cool in a way.

The fps drops do seem more cpu than gpu limited though. A lot of very pretty areas are quite smooth, whereas the drops in fps are usually when you' re breaching a new room and the enemy and friendly AI has to figure out what to do at the same time as smoke physics calculations etc.

Stuff like that I' m sure will be solved in future generations of games, cos I can' t imagine 9.6GHz not being able to cope with this kinda thing.

The worst frame rate I' ve ever experiened though was trying to play a game called ' Fade to Black' on my, even then dated, 486 PC. I had to hold the up button a whole minute for one frame to load! I only got 3 frames into the game.. [:' (]

Just played the demo now! And its made me giddy like a school girl, fuck this is some goooood shit!

It does play differently than the other Rainbox Six games, so its broken a bit with the Legacy, if poeple got gimped in MP, its definetly my game of Live choice!

It' s pretty crap that some regions get the demo and some don' t. I thought MS were all about worlwide launches. How hard is it to do that with an online demo??

Like I said earlier,

-Set up a German Hotmail account
-Enter a valid phone and address, this one should work.

Postal Code: 54292
City: Trier
Phone Number: 065112345

-Set up a new Live Silver Id on your 360 using your new German Hotmail account
-Log on download the demo and enjoy.

Everyone can download the demo.

The worst frame rate I' ve ever experiened though was trying to play a game called ' Fade to Black' on my, even then dated, 486 PC. I had to hold the up button a whole minute for one frame to load! I only got 3 frames into the game..

I don' t even bother with 3D games on my PC, it' s not sexy enough for those.

I like how cover has been improved, it works so much better with the right trigger! God i love the game already!

To great games the same day! fuck yeah!

Absolutely incredible game in every area! Didn' tnotice much slowdown though... so I guess either I wasn' t paying attention or I' ve got a super 360 or something. Aaaaaaanyway, probably one of the prettiest games I have ever seen, your squadmates' and the enemy' s AIs are very good, and as a whole it feels much more polished (a demo for god' s sake!) than the final copy of SC:DA for example. However, my two favorite aspects of the game are the extreme realism of the game (have to play it on realistic) and the myriad options you can give to your teammates. I love the stop and pop gameplay elements (which just add to the realism quite frankly, since in reality you would not stay out of cover while engaging the enemy) and that fact that the game did not rely solely on them like, let' s say, Gears of War, which is why I also believe that this game will be much more enjoyable. But that is just my humble opinion.

zzz, how many more times are we to play another " ride into town with army buddies to destroy the bad guys" ..

This is all getting old in the tooth. Im not even getting this for the pc. People are still geting excited over it, so i supposed there is still a market. Can fully understand why Japanese are not warming up to 360 tho.

This is all getting old in the tooth. Im not even getting this for the pc. People are still geting excited over it, so i supposed there is still a market. Can fully understand why Japanese are not warming up to 360 tho.

The same games are coming to the PS3 only on that platform they are poorly ported, by the time the PS3 has any good games of another style, Blue Dragon will be released.

Please be constructive in your critisism instead of just saying bullshit! We know you cant wait for your precious playstation so please dont pinpoint it for us all the time, we got better things to do with our time than read the meaningless stuff you write.

Sorry I didnt like the demo, i think this type of game has been over done and offers nothing new, just like most 360 games. (The most original games have infact been on other plattforms.) Im sorry that i found it boring

The same games are coming to the PS3 only on that platform they are poorly ported, by the time the PS3 has any good games of another style, Blue Dragon will be released.

We know you cant wait for your precious playstation so please dont pinpoint it for us all the time.

It seems u like mentioning the playstation??

Ive been playing GBA Rhythm Tengoku on GBA, untill my Wii arrives.. then i should be happy with console gaming again

Maybe you dont like the demo, but its because youv chosen not to like it, or because you havent played R6 before.

the Graphics are great, the controls are great, it was widely improved on other titles of the same nature, if its not your thing, say its not your thing, the demo is great!

I completely agree that the idea has been overdone F3hunter, but

Sorry I didnt like the demo, i think this type of game has been over done and offers nothing new, just like most 360 games.

Is a Sony Fanboy comment if I have ever seen one.

" What most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things."
~ Unknown ~

Ohh and

It seems u like mentioning the playstation??

Its because your generalisation is stupid, you should choose something else than bashing the 360 at all times as it just makes you look like an

Is a Sony Fanboy comment if I have ever seen one.

I actually brought a 360 at launch and ive never even owned a SONY console yet..
anyone who dont like anything 360 is instanltly label by MS fanboys as a SONY fanboy!

Great philosophy!!!



And after standing in the cold in line to by a 360 i sure do feel like one.

hehe.


Anyway.

I hate the Demo, too jerky and too boring IMO.

downloading it now...I really want this game to be great

I actually brought a 360 at launch and ive never even owned a SONY console yet..
anyone who dont like anything 360 is instanltly label by MS fanboys as a SONY fanboy!

We don' t want to turn this thread into a flame war, I have owned a PS1 and 2 I hate Sony, but your comment previously did " reek" of Fanboy. Never do you make generalizations about a system, NEVER. I am not a Microsoft Fanboy, as I said before I am more of a Sega Fanboy...but that doesn' t interfere with much (unless you tell me one of their games suck then I might get defensive (of course they have gotten worse lately :( ).

The demo is actually more enjoyable then I expected it is obvious they are revising the series a little, more realistic locales for one. I am really happy with the outcome. The framerate did drop a bit though :/

" What most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things."
~ Unknown ~

Sorry I didnt like the demo, i think this type of game has been over done and offers nothing new, just like most 360 games.

How the hell does that reek fanboy??? (and why have you missed the word ' Sony' out of it?)

Thats a true statement.. 360 HAS lacked original games and game genres., especially compared with other plattforms.

as I said before I am more of a Sega Fanboy

Im a true SEGA fan..

And If you did own a Dreamcast back in the day, and if you did appreciate its ' Fresh' fantastic and ' original' games, You of all people should know where im coming from..

And If you did own a Dreamcast back in the day, and if you did appreciate its ' Fresh' fantastic and ' original' games, You of all people should know where im coming from..

Well to be honest where you are coming from smells a bit like donkey poo!

You can say what ever you want about the 360, but as long as what you are saying is wrong, your an A** to me.

Dreamcast was just as revolutionary as any new console, nostalgia blinds the truth from people. nearly every genre has been explored, and its up to the devs to improve upon the titles, and R6 team has done that, to a great extent.

If you found it boring, you never liked R6, and you never liked " realistic" shooters, so your comments arent really viable at all!

Im a true SEGA fan..

And If you did own a Dreamcast back in the day, and if you did appreciate its ' Fresh' fantastic and ' original' games, You of all people should know where im coming from..

Yeah, I sorta see where you' re coming from man, I' m really rooting for the 360, but so far nothing has really done it for me, I think the thing is sega had this vibe about them, their games never took themselves so seriously. Wish microsoft would secure some of the ex-sega teams and bring them inhouse, maybe the old team andromeada & smile bit. Shit I want to see a new gun valkyrie & panzeer saga. imagine saga' s art direction with the xbox' s power, fuck dude, that' s the beginning of a wet dream for me. I' m sticking with it though, I know once the japanese devs(with the exception of capcom, & I' m actually dying to get my hands on project sylpheed, I really miss space shooters). The thing is that it' s too risky to chance original games now. The stakes are too high now, I think it' s partly what killed sega(I' m looking at you shenmue). I mean I couldn' t believe shenmue & jetset radio didn' t sell, that' s when I realized that I was fucked, because it wouldn' t be worth it to attemp it again, guess not enough true gamers buying games.

This game, and games like GRAW/2 will sell well in Japan. On Playstation 3.

It' s not the games that the Japanese don' t like, they simply don' t take to foreign products very well. From all accounts, GRAW made quite an impression on Japanese gamers, and on developers like Kojima. When the game/s are released on PS3 they will sell in healthy numbers, that you can be sure of.

360 has been repeatedly praidsed for it' s lack of dependancy on sequels. Microsoft have been actively looking for new IP' s and genres for their console so to say that it lacks original games is dumb. It may not have games like Donkey Konga but it doesn have Vision Camera gamess coming out now and is the first console to use " proper" facemapping in it' s games. You don' t like it? Sell the machine and buy Wii, but stop crying like a baby.

You can say what ever you want about the 360, but as long as what you are saying is wrong, your an A** to me.

Insulting someone over their comments about a Games console How sad man.

After Reading the first sentance:

This game, and games like GRAW/2 will sell well in Japan. On Playstation 3.

Yeah, we all know how much the japanese love their FPS' s. lol.

Vision Camera gamess coming out now and is the first console to use " proper" facemapping in it' s games. You don' t like it?

Oh god!! thats the best feature ever!!! will add soo much to the gameplay of sequels it' ll most likely appear on (COD4. Graw 3, R6 2007, Fifa 2008, Fortza 2, Halo 3, and the next DOA: fake fighing game.).. Excellent!!!!!!

Yeah, I sorta see where you' re coming from man, I' m really rooting for the 360, but so far nothing has really done it for me, I think the thing is sega had this vibe about them, their games never took themselves so seriously. Wish microsoft would secure some of the ex-sega teams and bring them inhouse, maybe the old team andromeada & smile bit. Shit I want to see a new gun valkyrie & panzeer saga. imagine saga' s art direction with the xbox' s power, fuck dude, that' s the beginning of a wet dream for me. I' m sticking with it though, I know once the japanese devs(with the exception of capcom, & I' m actually dying to get my hands on project sylpheed, I really miss space shooters). The thing is that it' s too risky to chance original games now. The stakes are too high now, I think it' s partly what killed sega(I' m looking at you shenmue). I mean I couldn' t believe shenmue & jetset radio didn' t sell, that' s when I realized that I was fucked, because it wouldn' t be worth it to attemp it again, guess not enough true gamers buying games.

100% agreed.