Microsoft preparing to sue Sony? UPDATE: Sony explain...

Over this...

Ok, here' s a new one: with Sony' s announcements today they' ve issued a titled " Next-generation Console Comparison Fact Sheet," (downloadable here [DOC]) so let' s see some facts. First up, were you aware that to use your Xbox 360 Core system you' re required to buy the 20GB drive add-on, an HD DVD drive, a wireless controller, and an Xbox Live sub? We weren' t either. But hey, it says right there, " requires users to buy" and this is, in fact, a " fact sheet." Of course, none of that' s actually true, and what' s more, were one to use the Xbox 360 Premium console pack in that chart instead of the Core pack, the total would be $399 for a console with that very same hard drive, wireless controller, and Xbox Live Silver subscription (which provides access to everything but multiplayer) -- remember, kids, an HD DVD drive is not required to do anything but watch high def movies -- it has nothing to do with high def gaming. We hear Microsoft ain' t too happy about this chart either and is preparing certain legal action, namely because it could be misleading to otherwise unwitting retail employees selling customers game consoles this holiday season. Go figure.

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That' s what we libel.

Is that table telling any lies?

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Is that table telling any lies?

Obviously.

What lies might that be?

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

The hard drive is not " required" .....

Sony, on their " fact" sheet listed the 20GB HDD, HD DVD drive, wireless controller, and an Xbox Live subscription as required to play Xbox 360. If they' d said it in interview it would be slander, because it' s written it' s libel. It' s not legal and that' s why Microsoft can take legal action as Engadget noted.

Oh yeh i see what your saying that is cheeky.

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

Smart, but yeah, cheeky!

and you think sony is too stupid to do this mistake, don' t they have their legal departments to advice them ? i' m sure they took their precautions otherwise i' mm help them to make mass suicide.

Who needs legal advisers when you have BLU RAY and HDMI.

THE future of gaming is.............

Majik what course do ya do at uni?

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Majik what course do ya do at uni?

Are you kidding me?

I mean what modules did you do in your second year?

I keep hearing that Manchester University have one of the best Computing schools in UK. I just wanted to know if your course is any good.

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

ORIGINAL: Gaiden BLACK

Who needs legal advisers when you have BLU RAY and HDMI.

THE future of gaming is.............

Majik what course do ya do at uni?

Heehee!! That post is so silly!lol..

Ahh, f*ck it... I' m off to buy Double Agent, i' ve had enough of Kingdom Hearts, it' s
too soft..

Peter Pan made me lose the will to fight, he' s just gay..

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

I' m not at Manchester, i' m at Teesside.

Last year we covered:

Narrative design/storyboarding/script writing
2D conceptual Art/2D animation
3DS Max
Virtual environment design
Planning & product management
Analytical reading and industry analysis

This year we' re looking at the market in more detail, the production process, ethical issues, advanced 2D animation/3DS Max, advanced character design etc.

It sucks.

Oh Sony, how you lie through your teeth...

I think it' s a rather dumb dispute but I guess MS does have the right to sue. With MS' s history of court cases I' m guessing they will be the ones that win.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

ORIGINAL: Rampage99

Oh Sony, how you lie through your teeth...

I think it' s a rather dumb dispute but I guess MS does have the right to sue. With MS' s history of court cases I' m guessing they will be the ones that win.

I guess Sony will claim it was a typographical error.

I think it' s too big of an error to use that excuse.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Actually y' know, looking at it again i don' t think they' ve done anything wrong. It just looks bad for Microsoft.

Take another look and you' ll notice, or should notice that Sony are comparing 360' s functionality against PS3, in that for 360 users to make use of the same functions Sony' s console ships with (next gen DVD drive, HDD, online access).. ..a 360 owner would have to pay for them.

I don' t think Microsoft can actually do much at all.

BTW, this is pretty much how Evil Man was comparing them. What he and Sony ignore is the fact that not everybody wants those things.

Actually I don' t think it looks bad at all. They are not comparing functionality, they are comparing price. It says it right in the title. Then they go on to tell you that buying all that extra stuff is required. They say noting about functionality, nothing about the 360 coming with a contoller reguardless of it being wired or not, nothing about the HD-DVD being completely unnecessary... MS is in the right to sue. I think it' s stupid still, but since they have the opporunity they might as well go for it.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

and you think sony is too stupid to do this mistake, don' t they have their legal departments to advice them ? i' m sure they took their precautions otherwise i' mm help them to make mass suicide.

Given the amount of lawsuits Sony had to endure in recent years, I doubt they' re getting solid legal advice from their legal department :p...



Sony: " We' d like to include a worm/virus in our music CDs that secretly modifies everyones' computers so they can' t copy/burn our music CDs, one that also cripples their registry dismantles their security. What do you think?"

Legal Department: " Sounds good to us!"

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

Those comparsion is funny cause,A ps3 premium only sells in europe and gonna cost 800-930 while xbox360 prem cost around 480 and just gonan be cheaper.


now core is even cheapr around 380 and, you dont req a HD dvd or a wireless since you already have a wired.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Isnt the $100 harddrive the only thing required ONLY if you want to play online through xboxlive? Because of updates and whatnots? You can go through nextgen with the wired controller but it would make your life a bit easier because of the freedom to move. Same case with the headset but only useful in XBL.

Why cant wii be friends with 360?

Sony forgot to mention that their own console comes without a cable!

Besides you are still paying extra for those things on the PS3, you' re just forced to pay it instead of having the option...

Sony forgot to mention that their own console comes without a cable!

That' s an awesome point. you know they' ll be charging 49 bucks for the hi-def cable, and the 360' s is very solid.

Take another look and you' ll notice, or should notice that Sony are comparing 360' s functionality against PS3, in that for 360 users to make use of the same functions Sony' s console ships with (next gen DVD drive, HDD, online access).. ..a 360 owner would have to pay for them.

I don' t think Microsoft can actually do much at all.

Except for the 360' s wireless controller. You don' t need wireless to have a controller. Not to mention, to you wouldn' t lose the 50$ dollars they' re putting down for it if you traded it in & bought wireless. So it' s trifling, but still libel.

Did I mention it was dirty and underhanded too?

BTW, this is pretty much how Evil Man was comparing them. What he and Sony ignore is the fact that not everybody wants those things.

Where is he anyways? He gets tolerable, and then takes off.

Yeah, if Microsoft goes through with it Sony is screwed. Immersion anyone?

" What most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things."
~ Unknown ~

Why the hell do i bother at all?

Isnt the $100 harddrive the only thing required ONLY if you want to play online through xboxlive?

The comparison guide says that xbox live is a requirment when its not. and the hard drive isnt required either, however i dont see anyone playing with out it

I know people who don' t. Now, granted, they' re not sucessful happy people mind you, but I know someone who' s had a 360 since launch, and only bought a hard-drive a few months ago.

That chart is accurate.

What it says is that to ATTEMPT TO HAVE THE PS3 EXPERIENCE ON X360 you will NEED all those add-ons. It doesn' t say that you need them just to operate the machine.

The core package should not have been used in the comparison. They just used it to exaggerate their point, which is pretty shrewd on their part. I' ll give them that.

Also, the PS3 IS a good value, for those looking for all those features. If they had a 360 that came with HD-DVD and WIFI connectivity built in, then I would have bought that version.

The bottom line for me, though, is that I' ve already got the 360, and I WILL be getting the Wii and the HD-DVD add-on, so a PS3 is out of the question for a while. I' m not mad about it, though, because there are no games I' m interested available at release (or in the launch " window" ).

One thing' s for sure, this Christmas will be VERY interesting!

I' ll get the HD-DVD add on just cause I dont feel like buying a good standalone HD DVD player until I know which format is gonna win - but it is certainly a rip off.

I would' ve bought an X360 with built in HD-DVD last year for $500 no problem. But this add on sucks because its too expensive, and it useless for games.

It would be stupid of MS to sue, the more publicity this comparison sheet gets, the more it will hurt their buisness, since it' s a comparison they don' t want to hit mainstream-media.
It' s probably the same reason Sony/Toshiba and IBM didn' t sue Microsoft when they sent those fake Cell vs. PPC- comparisons wich Microsoft made up during their 360-launch.

WTF do sony know about the Wii? NOTHING, so they should shut the F**k up about them!!

Online free for the first 6 months? Where the f**k did they pull that $#!t out of? Its sony bull$#!t like this is why i really hate sony.

Also did they convieniently forget that YOU NEED TO BUY A F**KIN GAME to enjoy a ps3, and forget to add the US$60 to there bull$#!t chart. Other wise the ps3 is pretty much just an expensive f**king PAPER WEIGHT! The Wii comes with a game, its not a top end game but its a game (5 games) that means right out of the box you can enjoy playing the Wii. You CANNOT enjoy a ps3 right out of the box. ALso you cannot enjoy the ps3s touted HD features without paying for a seperate cable.


So this chart is bull$#!t.

BTW i hope microsoft sues the $#!t out of these F**kers!! Add another half billion in damages to the almost half billion from the exploding battery debacle and the billions they' ll lose selling the ps3, sounds good to me!!!

I hope they sue, and Sony goes broke, they are so stupid and fight dirty they have no right to be!

If they bothered to add it up with a premium kit, they' d have had to include the headset, media remote, and component cables that came with launch premiums in their estimates. They' re just juicing it for what it' s worth.

I WILL be getting the Wii and the HD-DVD add-on

I had to read that a few times... to understand what you meant.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Besides making a mistake of writing ' Require' , the ' fact-sheet' is more or less, true IMO.

But only techno-obessive people would feel a HD-DVD addon is really ' required' to use a 360, ditto for the Xbox Live membership.

For people who don' t know the relative quality of the additional ' accessories' , I guess they think the PS3 20 GB is a better deal...

But Sony' s quoted that the ' Online' aspect was more of an ' extra' , not a ' big one' like for 360. As far as developers go, in the latest EGM Lair wouldn' t have online multiplayer dogfights for one, they' re just leaderboards and the usual downloadable addons and stuff.

So really, it seems that they' re offering the same as a Silver Live membership, or that Lair' s developers just didn' t want multiplayer. But the flippant way Sony puts-off the Online aspect, I don' t see it much more than just a Silver Live clone =/

Could be false advertising, are they liable for that?

I WILL be getting the Wii and the HD-DVD add-on

I had to read that a few times... to understand what you meant.

Me too. For a second there I thought somebody had lost their mind.

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IBM didn' t sue Microsoft when they sent those fake Cell vs. PPC- comparisons wich Microsoft made up during their 360-launch.

That' s because IBM made the chips for the 360 as well.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "