Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3???

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Terry Bogard
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Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 04:56
Just got my copy of EGM today, read the brief bit in the " Rumor Mill" section and damn near choked on my burrito.


" Silly names aside, Virtua Cop helped shoot some life into the arcade light-gun genre. And since Virtua Fighter is still alive and kicking, Sega is apparently thinking about reloading the Virtua Cop series onto the PlayStation 3. Think it' ll be a light-gun game? Nope! Try a first-person shooter."


If that ends up happening then Sega, why don' t you just f***ing kill me now?
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 05:11
:( Well, that isn' t very good news...wish Sega would realize like Capcom that making some exclusive for the PS3 isn' t going to make money.
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 05:19
My problem isn' t that it' s going to the PlayStation 3 or that it may be exclusive, even though I have always hated the idea of 3rd party exclusive games. My problem is that they' re taking an established franchise from a genre I love (light-gun shooting) and translating it over to a genre I hate (first-person shooter).
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 05:30
Light-gun technology as it is doesn' t work with HDTV' s.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 05:56
Arrrrrrgggghhhhhh!!!!

No more Point Blank for me ever again?



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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 06:02
I should have said it doesn' t work correctly. They are improving it though.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 06:02
Yeah, I would agree with you there Terry. Just for the sake of trying it out though I wish it was on 360 as well, course this is coming out of the rumor mill so you never know.
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 06:04
hmm I kind of expected these light gun shooter type games to breed on the Wii, and they probably will.

As a point of interest they do have gun controllers for HD tvs, but older ones won' t work.
Ex. 1
http://www.erealgames.com/

Ex.2
http://www.uncrate.com/men/gear/gaming/lcd-topgun-002825.php
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 06:06
The Wii works with HDTVs and although it' s not technically a light gun, it can work as one and it does so just fine.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 06:12
Actually I' d say the wiimote with the wii gun probably works better then a light gun.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 06:54
I can see the Gcon or whatever Namco called their gun for time crysis/ point blank being re-realsed again under Gcon HD.
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 07:55


ORIGINAL: Silentbomber

I can see the Gcon or whatever Namco called their gun for time crysis/ point blank being re-realsed again under Gcon HD.

Isn' t it Time Crisis?
I think you' ve become obsessed with Cryteks new game...

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 08:02
I am not even going to buy it. I need help!
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 08:33

ORIGINAL: Joe Redifer

The Wii works with HDTVs and although it' s not technically a light gun, it can work as one and it does so just fine.


Perhaps higher resolutions cause problems? I dont see why they wouldnt work though.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 09:12
It has to do with the way light guns work. They flash the screen with a white frame for 1/60th of a second when you pull the trigger. The software then times how long it takes the gun to see " white" . It determines where the gun is pointing because of the time it takes to draw the lines on a 60Hz screen. That' s how it works in a nutshell.

Of course HDTVs do weird stuff like scaling and they all aren' t CRT. I can almost kind of get the Dreamcast to work with a lightgun when it is running in 480p, but it is pretty whacko.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 10:30
Intriguing.

So how is the Wii gonna work on HDTVs?

They' re pretty much fucked if that shit doesnt work on atleast LCD and CRT HDTVs.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 10:57
The Wii usese set-top sensors, as well as gyroscopic and accelerator sensors in the remote to determine position. It doesn' t rely on light from the tv screen at all.

I' m just curious as to how the sensors on the tv look. Anybody seen the thing(s)?

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 11:29
Wii has an external sensor (that bar you place in front of the television) that detects the wiimote. The wiimote sends infared signal to the sensor bar and measures the distance from the bar as well as the angle. It triangulates a position on the wiimote. That information is then sent to the wii giving the 3d position of the wiimote in relation to the receiver. The Wii knows where the wiimote is in a 3d space as well as where it is pointing at accurate to a pixel. So wherever you point your wiimote you' re pointing it on a large virtual grid that surrounds the sensor bar. If your television happens to be the section of the grid in which you are pointing the wiimote you should see the cursor on your screen. This is the same basic tech that the HD tv light guns use. This will be used most of the time like when you are pointing the wiimote directely at the screen like in shooters.

In addition to this innovation the wiimote also uses an accelerometer and a gyrometer to detect motion, similar to the SIXAXIX.

This is usefull when the cursor is off screen and the motion of the wiimote still needs to recorded. Such is the case in RED STEEL when you are swinging your sword. The cursor is usually off the grid but the wiimote is useful in this scenario because you can perform ingame moves by telling wii what direction you are swinging the wiimote in addition to the speed.

So the wiimote doesn' t use new tech but it combines tech in a new way to make something that is more versatile. Its pretty ingenius actually.


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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 12:15
Yeah, the Wii is weird. Just hope the batteries don' t run out while waving that thing around. Also the thing hates sunlight and halogen light. I' m not sure why any of it would be optical. I hate infrared controllers. They' re horrible.

PS - " Infrared radiowaves" is an oxymoron. The thing should be 100% bluetooth or whatever. Just as long as it is some form of RF and not optical like a VCR remote (which is infrared).

PSS - The Wii sensor bar which places under the screen is supposedly really, really small. We' ll see.
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 12:22
You could be right, I pulled the " radio waves" out of my ass, actually I think it is bluetooth, not sure. I know its infared and I thought that meant radiowaves.

Perhaps bluetooth is how the wiimote or sensor is connected to Wii and not the sensor to the Wiimote. I guess we should find an article, I' m sure this information is public.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 14:16

Also the thing hates sunlight and halogen light.


Well, the thing about sunlight isn' t such a big deal. If there' s that much sunlight pouring onto your system and television, you' d be having difficulty seeing the screen anyway.

I haven' t heard about the halogen light issue, though.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 14:31

In addition to this innovation the wiimote also uses an accelerometer and a gyrometer to detect motion, similar to the SIXAXIX.


For some reason that makes it sound like the Wiimote is ripping off Sony' s WiiStation 3 controller.. So, let' s rephrase a bit

" The SIXAXIX also uses an accelerometer and a gyrometer to detect motion, similar to the Wiimote."
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 18:33
holy shit

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 18:54
Saw the news and my heart just sank.....

I though they' d finished properly f***ing up franchises back in 2004 or something, but if this is true then noooooooooo.

Can' t we just have Virtua Cop 3 finally ported with next-gen graphics, and possibly makeovers for the first two games which they could package with it.
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 20:33
I doubt they will head along with it, the japs hate fps. Well at least to the best of my knowledge.
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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 15, 2006 23:20
As sega hammers the last remaining nails into their coffin...

That' s bad news.

actually I think it is bluetooth, not sure. I know its infared and I thought that meant radiowaves.
Yeah, Wiimote uses bluetooth tech.

" The SIXAXIX also uses an accelerometer and a gyrometer to detect motion, similar to the Wiimote."
C' mon now, I figured at least you' d know they had the patent for that early on.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 17, 2006 04:33
Virtua Cop... Is that like robo cop?

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 17, 2006 10:01

Virtua Cop... Is that like robo cop?
Try Robo-Cop, only 20 times worse.

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RE: Virtua Cop franchise to become first-person shooter for PlayStation 3??? - Oct 17, 2006 11:13
Virtua Cop is 90 times better than any lame Robocop game.