Wii games will have crappy visuals and it has nothing to do with it' s hardware.

I don' t know if you' ve noticed this , but most Wii games look terrible.I would expect them to look at least as good as the best current gen games , instead , they look worse.

The reason for this is simple - Nintendo said it' s not about visuals - it' s all about gameplay.Those stupid fuckers (3rd party developers) didn' t really understand what that was suppoused to mean.

I want to see games that look as good as Doom 3 on Xbox - this should be fuckin easy.

I will be terribly disappointed if most Wii games share mediocre graphics.

Tony Hawks Downhill Jam, Mario Galaxy and Red Steel look great but some are definately lacking in the expected visual polish.

wouldn' t you agree that Red Steel is far from unachievable on Xbox?

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wouldn' t you agree that Red Steel is far from unachievable on Xbox?

Possibly. I' d say that most of it could be replicated on Xbox but their would be aliasing and the textures wouldn' t be as sharp. I' m not sure about the character models, Xbox could definately handle them as far as their polycount but the textures are unlike anything seen on Xbox and i' d be surprised if they could be done perfectly.

Red Steel is certainly acceptible for a launch title.

I guess launch title is a good axcuse , but still the only thing that looks " new" in Wii visuals is draw distance/large locations in many titles.MArio Galaxy looks great, I agree.

Chaos theory had incredibly sharp textures for a current gen game.Have you seen the newest gameplay trailer (RED STEEL) from GC?
Not all textures look sharp and it lacks " enviromental detail" .

I don' t know about this one...

Just checked joystiq and lo and behold...

Go Nintendo points to French gaming blog ActuJV which claims to have information from an " inside source" concerning Nintendo and its attempt to hide the real graphical power of the Wii. Perhaps to capture even more attention as we approach a final launch date, rumor has it Nintendo will take the gaming world by storm by revealing the real goods behind their system. According to ActuJV' s source, this is what has been goin' down:

Nintendo has been playing us the fool all along. They have been showing us trailers for games that have deliberately downgraded graphics compared to what the Wii can actually do. This is to create an element of surprise for the press during Nintendo' s next media event.

That next media event in discussion could be the Sept. 14 affair which Nintendo has set up in NYC. Rest assured, Joystiq will be there all day to get the goods of that event as perhaps the real Wii and games will be showcased.

Joystiq

So what do you think? given the quality of visuals shown, it could be believable... But is this a case of the Wii, where people thought it was to get attention, or it' d get changed back... Nice if it were true, but like this link, i doubt it' s true...

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It would be extremely smart - first they make people familiar with GCN visuals and expectations are low , while Wiimote still get' s the love.Then they totally kick ass.

This article could be true , cause specs of the Wii hardware show much more performance power than shown games.

I hope it' s true , but it could be BS.Even this guy says it' s most likely false...

Yeah, I' m sure now - it' s bullshit :)

Anyway uumai you found it and I give you credit for that - it' s a great rumor :)

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It would be extremely smart - first they make people familiar with GCN visuals and expectations are low , while Wiimote still get' s the love.Then they totally kick ass.

This article could be true , cause specs of the Wii hardware show much more performance power than shown games.

I hope it' s true , but it could be BS.Even this guy says it' s most likely false...

Yeah, I' m sure now - it' s bullshit :)

Anyway uumai you found it and I give you credit for that - it' s a great rumor :)

Gangsta, you' ve been sounding ill lately. Where' s your confidence in the Big N?

I still think everyone will be pleasantly surprised with what Wii has instore for us..

The more I play my DS, the more I realise..

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

Well i won' t be expecting visuals similar to that on 360 or ps3, but i do expect that the would be noticably better then anything the previous generation is capable of. I am still hoping that the Zelda pics posted by Majik were from the GC version and we have not seen any ' real' Wii games, but i could be wrong.

Launch games NEVER show what a console is truly capable of so why such a big deal is made of them i' ll never know.

Wii is clearly capable of more than what we' ve seen but i don' t expect any major graphical upgrades to the titles we' ve seen, it' s simply not viable.

What i DO expect is a (seemingly) left field announcement at TGS, probably hardware related.

As for the visual quality of the games, i want to see what Capcom can do with the available power. I want to see more realistic visuals and less " good ol' Nintendo" , bright as hell cartoony graphics. I want gritty games with plenty of blood. I want either an exclusive RE or another Killer 7-esque title, or even better, something new!

The Wii is basically a GC overclocked. It' s graphics are going to be basically on par with current gen. the Wii gmes you have sen are Wii games. They look the same as the GC except with bloom lighting on everything.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

The PS2 can do 1080i. The Wii cannot. The PS2 anal rapes the Wii. Yes, the freakin' PS2!

Ive seen alot of Wii games in action VIA high res or normal Res ingame videos. So long as i can play my Wii games in progressive 480p i wouldnt be worried.


I used to play all my Xbox games in 480p via VGA.

Out of the High res 480p Trailers ive seen:
Mario Galaxy, Sonic, Excite Truck, SSB, Red Steel (The lastest Video From IGN). I can say they look clearly better than any of the Best Xbox games out there.. AND these Wii game Run at 60fps to boot.

Aslo we (me and freinds) have not long just watched the Latest 480p Wii Sonic game just After a PS3/360 720p Sonic gameplay Trailer.. And the Wii version Graphically still looked Bleedin Gorgeous in its own right.

Im not worried atall..

Infact im more confident in the Wii, as i know Nintendo have strict Policies about Game Framerates.. 60fps as standard and i feel a Supersmooth Framerate is much, much more important than Fine details..

Whats the maximum resolution nearly all ps2 games run at? 640x480
And you want to display this on a 1080i HD TV? OK, what ever does it for you.

Out of the High res 480p Trailers ive seen:
Mario Galaxy, Sonic, Excite Truck, SSB, Red Steel (The lastest Video From IGN). I can say they look clearly better than any of the Best Xbox games out there.. AND these Wii game Run at 60fps to boot.

I' ve seen those movies man -Mario loocks cool , smash bros too and Excite Trucks looks great and has very long draw distance.Other than that those games (Especially RED STEEL) couls be made on Xbox - and what' s more , the best loking Xbox games look much, much better

I don' t doubt N - I know Wii' s gonna rock, but I don' t like that devs aren' t pushing visuals above current gen (they have twice as much RAM memory and better specs)

I still believe in what ATI said. That what we saw at E3 was just the tip of the iceberg. Visuals haven' t gotten much better since E3 so I expect better looking graphics than what we' ve seen. Not by much though.

Please... no mention of Sonic and the Secret of Rings..

I love Sonic to bits, but that Sonic game? Nuh-uh.. I want full control of my
speedy hedgehog, I don' t wanna just tilt to the left and tilt to the right and jolt
when I want to jump.

That' s really the only Wii game I have a problem with..

Out of the High res 480p Trailers ive seen:
Mario Galaxy, Sonic, Excite Truck, SSB, Red Steel (The lastest Video From IGN). I can say they look clearly better than any of the Best Xbox games out there.. AND these Wii game Run at 60fps to boot.

Hmm... I' m not too sure about that. Mario Galaxy is the best looking out of all of
those.

Sonic - No.
Excite Truck - No.
SSB - No.
Red Steel - No.

They all however (except Sonic) look like they could be loads and loads of fun.

But that statement is a bit out there saying that they look better than the best
X-box game. I think we will need to wait until launch to find that out..

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

I to agree with the lack of visual, and since Wii is supported by ATi the developer should take full advantage of the hardware and whats it capable of. So far only Nintendo are making it useful for their own, 3rd party developer are going no where, in terms of graphics and visual, the only thing that is being use is to sell those software even if the game looks crappy. I see a bad future for Wii and by sure it will turn out like Gamecube, Nintendo can only rely on Japanese consumer for their hardware and software sale.
btw I' m not bad-mouthing on Nintendo it' s just that they dosen' t hear out what us consumer want' s, it' s what they want.

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they dosen' t hear out what us consumer want' s, it' s what they want.

On the contrary! Nintendo has seen a steady decline in gaming population and has realized that it is because
1. Previous gamers has lost interest since games no longer feel fresh
2. New gamers are intimidated by the advanced setup of buttons on traditional controllers.
On top of that the Wii will have a consumer friendly price. And the Wii will have online features because Nintendo has listened to consumers. The design has been adapted to the modern home and is appealing to everyone weither your home is big or small, or you' re young or old.
With all that in consideration, I' d say the Wii was made specifically with consumers in mind.
The PS3 however acts as a PC wannabe and is a vessel for the Blu-ray which no one asked for. The price is very intimidating too and the huge machine is not fun to place in your home. So I think your description of the Wii better fits the PS3.
Also, even though the visuals of Wii games won' t be able to compete with the PS3 or the 360, I feel that the price the Wii will sell for and the great fun you' ll have with the controller is making it worth buying one. And I think the Wii will have pretty nice visuals. We haven' t seen all its power yet and great art direction will make up for the lack of power. Advanced physics and that stuff can of course not be possible on the Wii but the Wii-mote will make up for it.
I can' t possibly see the Wii going the same way as the Gamecube. The DS was a success. And if you check surveys and polls and expectations you' ll see that people are really looking forward to the Wii.

My friend played Red Steel in Leipzing and says it looks terrible (he said it' s a high end PS2 game) , aiming is really crappy , but he loved the sword fights.

HE also said that Wii sports tennis is awesome and incredibly addictive - he said that Wii' s as exciting as playing games for the very first time.It just needs some more work.

Visuals should improve with time , but for launch - it' s bad.The only FPS game I was looking forward to seems to be problematic in more than few areas.

Seriously i would just wait untill we have these games /the Wii in our homes..

Or untill we get kiosks in stores (I hope).

Considering the Wii' s low price, I' d find it worth buying just for the virtual console/GCN backwards compatibility. It' s kinda small so it would be like buying a Gamecube LITE.

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/849/849911/img_3858859.aspx

Damn, that' s ugly.

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http://media.wii.ign.com/media/849/849911/img_3858859.aspx

Damn, that' s ugly.

True. It has an impressive draw distance though.

yeah and it looks great in motion (it has cool explosions) - there are nice movies on IGN.

It looks nice, but I was expecting a bit more out of everyone else. Nintendo' s first party titles look nice, but others seem to be missing something. Yeah, I know it' s not a brilliant time to judge, seeing as nintendo has most likely had more time to develop with it with it than 3rd parties, but i thought it would really be shining by now.

Wii id going to get one of the ' resi4' titles that will show off its graphical power, I also believe Nintendo are holding back, Super Mario Galaxy looks quite nice, I heard the machine even support shader model? and a cut down version of the unreal engine 3?

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

I wonder how much proccesing power is reserved for the wiimote.

UE3 story turned uot to be a false rumor.

Here' s what IGN has to say :

Not the Super Spiffy Version
It seems that the latest Red Steel videos we posted have caused a small explosion of chatter on the message boards -- some people arguing that they look pretty good and others declaring war against Ubisoft.

The good folks at Ubi contacted me today to clarify a few things, namely that the videos in question do not represent the game as it really exists today. Apparently there are mechanical and graphical advancements not shown in the GC 2006 build, which is more or less an updated version of the E3 demo; it even showcases the same level.

Ubisoft staff have at one point or another spotlighted a new darker look for the game (in screenshots) and chatted briefly about improved gunplay and swordplay fundamentals. There' s even some word going around about a 1:1 control method for sword fights, which is at this point still just hearsay, as far as I' m concerned.

So when might we see this new, better build in motion? Well, there' s this big event coming up. You may have read something about it already on my blog. And at this event, there will be a crapload of Wii titles, including a truly updated version of Red Steel.

Rest assured that when I get my hands-on a more complete version, I' ll let you know exactly how it plays and looks. But until then, let' s try to reserve judgment on the game. After all, we have only seen a few snippets from a single level -- apparently running on an old build.

On a totally unrelated note, Activision called earlier to let me know that pro-scan and 16:9 are still being considered for Tony Hawk' s Downhill Jam, so there' s still hope. Write some angry letters and you' ll probably get it.

http://blogs.ign.com/matt-ign

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http://media.wii.ign.com/media/849/849911/img_3858859.aspx

Damn, that' s ugly.

It' s battalion wars, the original wasn' t exactly mind blowing either.

Thank goodness if its true, the latest vids i saw at ign were not much different to what we saw at E3 2006 ie nothing to get too excited about.

BTW They better make it 1:1 controller translation or i would be disappointed. Also they need to tighten up the gun aiming mechanism as it didn' t seem as precise (compared to a mouse and keyboard, but more precise then a Standard Console Controller) as i' d hope. But they still have time to polish it up come launch day.

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The PS2 can do 1080i. The Wii cannot. The PS2 anal rapes the Wii. Yes, the freakin' PS2!

It' s fake 1080i, even progressive scan on ps2 is fake.

Damn those baby seals!

I believe the problem with the aiming mechanism is the fact that they insist on having you reach the edge of the screen to strafe, which leads to some awkward and very slow turning (ie: you get your head blown off). If they could just keep the reticle center-screen like in every other FPS, I am convinced it would work a lot better. Also, yes it' s twitchy, but that can easily be fixed with some minor calibration.

gotta hate them baby seals.

I believe the problem with the aiming mechanism is the fact that they insist on having you reach the edge of the screen to strafe, which leads to some awkward and very slow turning (ie: you get your head blown off). If they could just keep the reticle center-screen like in every other FPS, I am convinced it would work a lot better. Also, yes it' s twitchy, but that can easily be fixed with some minor calibration.

I agree, if there' s an enemy offscreen, and you need to turn to get him. You' re going to need to overshoot him by a half-a-screen, and then move back to shoot him. That' s gonna be frustrating.
In my uneducated opinion, (never touched a real Wiimote), I agree with you on the center-screen reticle. And yeah it' d be twitchy, but it' d eliminate the need for breathing motion when looking down ironsights or a scope.
Which reminds me. If CoD:thwii is going to have the same basic moving reticle design. How are you going to look down the sights? Just food for thought.

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Which reminds me. If CoD:thwii is going to have the same basic moving reticle design. How are you going to look down the sights? Just food for thought.

Well if the made a gun attachment that the wiimote slots into which has its own sights then problem solved! This is what i' m hoping for. But i guess they would have to assume not everyone has the attachment so its not a realistic option.

BTW i hope the pointing interface for the Wiimote is tightemed up and offer similar interface as a mouse in FPS. Then it would be perfect.

that' s what I' m waitnig for.The problem is - what if you lower your hand from previous position? They need to think of some ways to ignore certain moves.

problem with wii is that Nintendo claim you can only understand wii when you play it.
Basically you have to try it yourself before buying it...

where is a wii ?

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.