360 Cant run Driect X 10

DX10

Man What the hells going on they better fix whats ever broke and carry on hell i gots to have it

Why don' t they just reprogram an Xbox 360 version of Direct X 10??

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

“Xbox360 cannot run DX10. The Xbox360 has unique features including memory export that can enable DX10-class functionality such as stream-out. From what we’re hearing, Crysis will support DX9 with some sort of use for DX10 features. It’s likely that those DX10 visuals can be replicated on the Xbox360, but it can’t be properly called DX10.”

We know this, it' s not exactly news. The card supports some DX10 features but isn' t fully DX10 compliant. ATi' s comments are about the recent rumours that the GPU can be upgraded to be fully DX10 compatible but they' re also getting in that DX10 visuals cam be replicated by 360' s GPU (which we knew anyway).

Crysis wasn' t even using DX10 at E3 anyway so it makes even less difference.

and not to worry sony fans, ps3 can' t do DX10 either, am I right?!

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on

“Xbox360 cannot run DX10. The Xbox360 has unique features including memory export that can enable DX10-class functionality such as stream-out. From what we’re hearing, Crysis will support DX9 with some sort of use for DX10 features. It’s likely that those DX10 visuals can be replicated on the Xbox360, but it can’t be properly called DX10.”

We know this, it' s not exactly news. The card supports some DX10 features but isn' t fully DX10 compliant. ATi' s comments are about the recent rumours that the GPU can be upgraded to be fully DX10 compatible but they' re also getting in that DX10 visuals cam be replicated by 360' s GPU (which we knew anyway).

Crysis wasn' t even using DX10 at E3 anyway so it makes even less difference.

But Crysis ran like crap without DX10.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Early builds of most games run like shit.

Firstly, let' s find out what DirectX is...Introduced by Microsoft around the release of Windows 95, it is a set of APIs (Application Programming Interfaces) which make game development faster and easier for developers. To understand what that means, you have to know how games are made. The first step while making any game is coding/using an engine. Think of it like the chassis of a car, the actual skeleton, on top of which other objects are attached. So when you hear someone say that the game is using the Doom3 engine, what he means is that the core of the game which loads and interfaces everything is from the game Doom3.

This game engine talks with the different components in your PC/Console like the graphics card, sound card, or any other hardware for that matter. Now get one thing straight: coding to interface with hardware like graphics cards is serious business. The code is very complex and often is coded in ASM or Assembler to reduce processing time. And not all the graphics cards are the same. You have about 6-7 cards in any generation from the two major manufacturers, nVIDIA and ATi. And coding for each and every card is next to suicide.

So what do you do? Well, as a game developer, you can' t do anything. But as the maker of the graphics cards, or the operating system, you can follow/set some guidelines which have to be followed by everyone else so that it becomes easier for game developers. So when Microsoft releases a new version of DirectX, they lay down a set of rules which the graphics card manufacturers (nVIDIA and ATi) have to follow if they want to make their cards compatible.

Here, DirectX is the code which will have to communicate with the graphics cards to show everything on screen. So now you would realise that DirectX will communicate with the graphics hardware. So, all that' s left to do for the game developers is to integrate DirectX into their engine, and code the engine so that it uses the DirectX functions to communicate with the hardware. Perfect harmony, isn' t it?

Now that' s the " scene" for PC development. Switch over to the console department. No multiple graphics cards to support, only a fixed hardware platform to program for. Now remember what I said earlier about how it would be suicidal for PC game developers in the absence of DirectX, or any other set of APIs like OpenGL. On the other hand, for console games, you don' t have to program for 10 different graphics cards. Consider that fact and half of the usefulness of DirectX 10 would be useless here.

Secondly, unlike PC games, the console game developers get development kits. These kits detail each and every function of all the hardware. It' s not suicidal anymore to write your own engine which communicates directly with the hardware. It might take long and would be difficult, but it' s definitely an option. Even then, Microsoft has implemented DirectX 9 so that game developers can use the graphics functions without actually writing code to interface with the hardware. What Microsoft have done for the 360 is remove all the code for different hardware and put in code only corresponding to the XBOX360' s hardware.

Now that' s the main reason why the absence of DirectX 10 won' t make a difference. Game developers can always make their own APIs to interface with the hardware. Some companies even sell middleware, a combination of APIs and a game engine. One example would be Epic games who sell middleware. And look what the announcement says, " The Xbox360 has unique features including memory export that can enable DX10-class functionality such as stream-out. From what we' re hearing, Crysis will support DX9 with some sort of use for DX10 features. It' s likely that those DX10 visuals can be replicated on the Xbox360, but it can' t be properly called DX10." All makes sense, doesn' t it?

Original Article

and not to worry sony fans, ps3 can' t do DX10 either, am I right?!

Correct. PS3 not only doesn' t support DX10 but it supports NONE of it' s features where 360 does. It' ll be a while for any of this to matter though.

ORIGINAL: uumai

and not to worry sony fans, ps3 can' t do DX10 either, am I right?!

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh YES it can my purple friend

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

ORIGINAL: Gaiden BLACK

ORIGINAL: uumai

and not to worry sony fans, ps3 can' t do DX10 either, am I right?!

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh YES it can my purple friend

Uh... no it can' t...

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

ORIGINAL: Gaiden BLACK

ORIGINAL: uumai

and not to worry sony fans, ps3 can' t do DX10 either, am I right?!

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh YES it can my purple friend

No it can' t.

Also, you do realise that DirectX is a Microsoft product don' t you?!

of COURSE magic i use it at uni..............I WAS JUST PLAYING WITH YA

dosent that make 360 shit if it cant use it?

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

ORIGINAL: Gaiden BLACK

of COURSE magic i use it at uni..............I WAS JUST PLAYING WITH YA

dosent that make 360 shit if it cant use it?

Just read the article i posted abouve.

sir YES sir!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

How come you don' t have a male avatar?!

ORIGINAL: Rampage99

ORIGINAL: Gaiden BLACK

ORIGINAL: uumai

and not to worry sony fans, ps3 can' t do DX10 either, am I right?!

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh YES it can my purple friend

Uh... no it can' t...

no... the ps3 can do anything... really.. i mean just yesterday i was playing a game on ps3 (apparently something else it is capable of) with myself. Now don' t get confused or dirty minded, i mean with my future self who, using the (apparently underestimated) " power of playstation" he travelled back in time to show it to me.

Really it' s true, PS3 can do anything


edit: Gaiden, you make me lmao

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

because im a CHICK u perv

i read the article but im lost PLEASE explain majik with your wisdom and might

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

Basically gaiden, all you need to worry about is: 360 can use some features of DX10. PS3 on the other hand, cannot.

It' s not gonna change your life in anyway, don' t worry

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

ORIGINAL: uumai

Basically gaiden, all you need to worry about is: 360 can use some features of DX10. PS3 on the other hand, cannot.

It' s not gonna change your life in anyway, don' t worry

phew you had me worried there, i thought id have to move house and change my name to MEREDITH.

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

Is Sisina Molinaro really your real name (as it says in your profile)? I' ve never heard of such a name. Where do you come from?

im italian BUT not a maid BUT BUSTY

ADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ZERO SHIFT is installed JEHUTY READY FOR COMBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

ORIGINAL: Gaiden BLACK

BUT BUSTY

You know, there' s a " post your picture" thread and...

*runs from angry mob of women*

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

ORIGINAL: Gaiden BLACK

BUT BUSTY

You know, there' s a " post your picture" thread and...

*runs from angry mob of women*

hmmmm so mean putting my picture on that THREAD would change sumthing?

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

Well it' s very easy to attain pictures of other people and put them up there, so ginj it' s not really gonna solve anything.

Gaiden, you live in london? If yes, where north, south, east, west, central?

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

im WEST where the AIR is frESH

and games are cheap............

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

Why is everybody so interested in Gaiden right now?

Where Silentbomber' s Love?! I need Attention!!!

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

ORIGINAL: Gaiden BLACK

im WEST where the AIR is frESH

and games are cheap............

Aww man, the air and nothing about south is fresh...

Why is everybody so interested in Gaiden right now?

Where Silentbomber' s Love?! I need Attention!!!

Because Gaiden has been saying the funniest things, and is a self-proclaimed " busty italian" but not a maid.... Still i suppose a fat italian man can be considered " busty"

So Silent how is your day? keeping well, living right? What' s your thought' s on DX10 and 360?

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

ORIGINAL: uumai

ORIGINAL: Gaiden BLACK

im WEST where the AIR is frESH

and games are cheap............

Aww man, the air and nothing about south is fresh...

hehe i you streatham BOWL isnt that good

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

hehe i you streatham BOWL isnt that good

come again? You live in streatham? like Streatham hill, or did you mean something else entirely?

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

hehe nah i was saying thats the best south london has got to offer, I LIVE IN west london

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

So Silent how is your day? keeping well, living right? What' s your thought' s on DX10 and 360?

I hate you.

Nah, I dont mean that..

Or do I?

ok, We will agree to disagree.

Hold on, I wont Agree to those terms you pervert!

batteries not Included.



thats how I am today.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

ah... I only ever pass through streatham going to my gf house. Streatham bowl, an arcade? There used to be one in croydon, it was great... i remember the sonic arcade game, and 16 player (i think) daytona.. but i never had any money back then.... ... actually i don' t now either...

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

ORIGINAL: Silentbomber

Why is everybody so interested in Gaiden right now?

Where Silentbomber' s Love?! I need Attention!!!

I love you!

ORIGINAL: Silentbomber

So Silent how is your day? keeping well, living right? What' s your thought' s on DX10 and 360?

I hate you.

Nah, I dont mean that..

Or do I?

ok, We will agree to disagree.

Hold on, I wont Agree to those terms you pervert!

batteries not Included.



thats how I am today.

HAHA! I' m not quite sure just how to respond to that... Batteries not included... hmm that was a nice film, i though. but err... glad your having such a wonderful day

I think Majik got it right...

I love you!

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

Gaiden.. Can I join Team Sony?

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Gaiden.. Can I join Team Sony?

Yes You can finaly

We are becoming Stronger and Stronger
Everyday

ORIGINAL: Silentbomber

Gaiden.. Can I join Team Sony?

Didn' t see that coming, are you for real? Team Sony is a an extremist team, a Sony can do anything team.... really?

Yes You can finaly

We are becoming Stronger and Stronger
Everyday

So how many members you got now?

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

I need confimation from your leader, Gaiden.

And I will only join if I can be Vice-President, no wait, JUNIOR Vice-President!

yeah.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

but... Mikayd2 is the leader of team sony... Hold on, I see where your going with this... You wanna bring it down from the inside don' t you...? Some covert op, that I have gone and messed up for you... damn it...

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

I knew you would say that. Thats why I have a back up plan.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Current members of this so called " Team Sony" will not be allowed to join the PS3 third of " Team Kikizo" !!!!

HA!

Instead we' ll make you our bitches in games like UT2007 and Killzone. " Team Sony" will be a laughing stock, all 3 of you!