PS3 Price cut - when should you expect this?

With 600$ price, it' s obvious that many of us will choose to wait for a while.

PS2 debuted for 299$ - it' s first price cut was to 199$ and it was almost 2 years (19 months exactly) after the launch (we' re talking US here).

It' s hard to say if PS3 will follow in PS2 footsteps since the situation was different (PS2 price was OK at that time and Xbox wasn' t cheaper).

Xbox360 could pose a serious threat , especially if those rumored bundles will come out keeping 400$ price tag.

Still Sony is Sony and they can just do their thing without looking at this niche market that, in their eyes, 360 is.

600$ - that' s mucho dinero people, but most great games won' t be here untill 2008 (MGS4 :) ).I think that waiting 2 years for a slightly lower price of 500$ is still not that good.

Anyway what do you think?

When a new X-box and a Nintendo are announced?

They expect this machine to last 10 years.. That' s double a console' s lifespan..

I don' t see a price cut happening for ages unless things are really dire and Sony
are on the cusp of bankruptcy(sp?)...

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

Sony is dying and they are on the brink of falling apart. If the PS3 and Blu-Ray don' t take off then Sony is no more.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

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Sony is dying and they are on the brink of falling apart. If the PS3 and Blu-Ray don' t take off then Sony is no more.

You know...if that did happen do you think sony would go into developing like sega. I wonder who they would develop for though...

I really don' t see sony going under, because the ps3 wont fail, also for the price cut, unless they do a microsoft with eXBOX (maybe to aid sales) it' ll happen not long after launch or like you say it wont be one for ages.

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

Reducing the component costs will be really hard for Sony and they' re still bleeding money from CELL and Blu-Ray' s fate doesn' t look promising.

Sony can' t AFFORD to drop the price and absorb the costs because their games division has already had to borrow money from the bank to cover CELL' s development. The money they' ve made with PS2 has pretty much all gone into CELL and Blu-Ray' s development and Sony as a whole isn' t in a hugely enviable position (the rootkit scandal, lackluster sales of their Walkman range because Apple is dominating the MP3 player market, PSP being crushed by DS, the Immersion lawsuit, UMD' s bombing badly etc), and for a company that makes the bulk of it' s profit from it' s games division, it' s a make or break situation.

If Blu-Ray bombs then PS3 has a disadvantage because the cost of the drives and discs themselves will outweigh the profit made from them. If PS3 bombs (or has a really hard time) then it' ll probably take Blu-Ray with it and their dedicated players are far more expensive than Toshibas and have NO advantage other than the amount of film companies releasing on that format. But look at UMD. Everybody' s jumped ship because it' s no longer a viable format.

$600 for a games console is a risk, but as everybody now knows (and as people like Rampage and myself told you at the beginning of the year) it was always going to be expensive due to the technology and they can' t AFFORD to release it at a cheaper price without removing features.

The 6-12 months post launch will be a good indication of where they' re going, but don' t expect a price-drop in that until Christmas 2007 at the earliest.

Majik is saying it like it is. A price drop for PS3 is going to be much tougher then it will be for 360. It wouldn' t surprise me too much if we see the ps3 keep its original price tag for two full years. MS learned their lessen from Xbox and made the 360 easily capable of cost reduction. Sony did not do this, instead they made a real gamble by combining BR and CELL with PS3. Sony wants these two things to succeed on their own and were willing to raise the production costs of PS3 considerably in order to expand the user base of BR and mass produce CELL for cost reduction (of the actual proccessor).

IMO sonys strategy is selfish, one that only benefits themselves as opposed to the consumer.

There will be no price drop. There might be one though, and it will be all the way, when you pry the PS3 from Sony' s dead cold fingers!



DIE SONY DIE!

Is it over the top? or?

Sony took a serious gamble by not pushing to include at least some great titles
for launch (although that means the overall quality of said games will be better
right?). Don' t console manufacturers make most of their revenue on the total
amount of games sold at the beginning of a consoles lifespan?

As there are some goons out there going to buy a fully-priced PS3 with no games
on it at launch.

I really don' t expect a price cut until maybe minimum 3 years down the line.

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

There will be no price drop. There might be one though, and it will be all the way, when you pry the PS3 from Sony' s dead cold fingers!

Hilarious :)

As there are some goons out there going to buy a fully-priced PS3 with no games
on it at launch.

It' s hard to say what games will be available at launch - they' re suppoused to announce it month before launch.

HalfLife 2 alone is worth getting one (ofc it' s coming out for 360 as well, but PS fanboys don' t care)- I want it even though I' ve already finished it.

Saying about ps3/360 price cuts, isn' t the ps2 now and always have been (except maybe at 360' s initial launch price of £299) been more expensive.

When I worked in a shop with a games section i was always surprised that the less powerful console was still selling more even with a higher price point.

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

I look at it this way:

-If blu-ray takes off, which it might, then they can get themselves out of the hole, and push their new format, expect a price drop in a few years (late 07 at the earliest)

-If Blu-ray is a moderate failure, definately don' t expect any price drop.

-However, If Blu-Ray is a total flop, and the Cell doesn' t pull through in the least, (which I really don' t expect) expect a real price drop, as Sony is going to try to juice the most dough out of a failed plan.

Well...even with a price-cut it' s still gonna be around 600-700 for us in europe...yippie...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

When I worked in a shop with a games section i was always surprised that the less powerful console was still selling more even with a higher price point.

Correct me if I' m wrong, but the " most powerful" console has never been the top seller. The top seller has always been the one with the most extensive third party support.

Intellivision and Colecovision were more powerful than the Atari 2600.
The Sega Master System was more powerful than the NES.
The SNES was more powerful than the Megadrive/Genesis.
The N64 and Saturn were more powerful than the PS1.
The Xbox and Gamecube were more powerful than the PS2.

Sales figures in some of these generations were closer than others, and definitions of " power" in consoles aren' t so cut-and-dried across the board, but I think there is a very clear trend.

ORIGINAL: Zoy

When I worked in a shop with a games section i was always surprised that the less powerful console was still selling more even with a higher price point.

Correct me if I' m wrong, but the " most powerful" console has never been the top seller. The top seller has always been the one with the most extensive third party support.

Intellivision and Colecovision were more powerful than the Atari 2600.
The Sega Master System was more powerful than the NES.
The SNES was more powerful than the Megadrive/Genesis.
The N64 and Saturn were more powerful than the PS1.
The Xbox and Gamecube were more powerful than the PS2.

Sales figures in some of these generations were closer than others, and definitions of " power" in consoles aren' t so cut-and-dried across the board, but I think there is a very clear trend.

Valid point but i was simply pointing out how the lesser powerful console was more expensive than a more powerful one.

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

Doesn' t the $600 ps3 comes with wireless and a bunch of extra shit, you can just get the $500 version you know.

I mean the wireless adapter for xbox360 costs $100, so an xbox360 with that included would boost the price to $500, only $100 less than PS3.

And the Saturn wasn' t more powerfull than the PS1. You fucking idiot, saturn' s 3D graphics are fucking atrocious.

Wow, Evil Man, judging a console just on the graphics of some of its games?

*Ahem* Heeeeeere we go.....

Saturn to PS1 Comparison:

Video RAM -

Saturn - 12 Mbits (1.5 MB)
Playstation - 8 MBits (1 MB)

Polys-Per-Second -

Saturn - 500,000
Playstation - 360,000

Audio -

Saturn - 32 Channels for Audio
Playstation - 24 Channels for Audio

CPU -

Saturn - Two 25 MIP Processors in Parallel (Theoretically 50 MIPs)
Playstation - 30 MIPs

Also, Saturn came with internal memory, whereas PS1 did not.

So, before you go making anymore brash statements in an attempt to undermine others, perhaps you should do a little research?

To get value for money for your ps3 (for arguments sake) you need to buy at least another controller for multiplayer, atleast 2 games AND 2 bluray movies. If you don' t buy blu ray movies you are effectively wasting 50% of the ps3s capabilities. So in effect the blu ray movies will be competing with ps3 games for your entertainment dollars (and as of this time blu ray movies aren' t that cheap either) if you are trying to get full value out of your ps3, and its ps3 games sold that actually make money for sonys playstation division. Considering this and the fact that each ps3 sold may actually cost sony upto US$300 per console, its not a pretty picture - to that add 360 which can go toe to toe with the ps3 and has a year head start and the unique Wii, the affordable alternative the picture gets bleaker.

So less money earnt through games sales due to - High initial price of ps3, Blu ray movies, possible high price of games, strong competition from 360 & Wii. I can' t see sony breaking even any time soon, if it came out first it would have been a different story, but as to the chances of the price drop - i feel that after 2 years in its life is an optimistic and quite realistic timeframe.

will sony die - well unlikely, but failure is definately a possibility. Had they made a ps3 a pure HD gaming machine at an affordable price and let cell and blu ray be sold on their own merits sony would have been in a much better position. Oh well, they still have some time to fix things before launch.

Doesn' t the $600 ps3 comes with wireless and a bunch of extra shit, you can just get the $500 version you know.

I mean the wireless adapter for xbox360 costs $100, so an xbox360 with that included would boost the price to $500, only $100 less than PS3.

Its a bad idea offering stuff like wireless included in the box if you have to raise the price 100$ to do it! i for one, dont need since i have a cable running to it in the wall, as other people have had before, to connect either the PS2 or Xbox.

I like having a cheaper console and buying the accesories i want. Thats why the 20gp PS3 model is utterly garbage, you cant upgrade the HDMI port!

but you don' t have one in 360 :)

for 500$ you get Xbox 360 premium + Wireless.You don' t have a next gen dvd player and you have to pay for playing online.At the same time you can use all 20gb of your harddrive on PS3.

MS is crazy to charge 100$ for Wireless.

I can' t imagine explaining PS3' s value when they tell us to pay 425 pounds...

I wish you had made a quote for that! well with the ps3 you dont see what you pay for. plus the PS hub is a half assed solution and no better than what the PS2 could do! since its still the devs who has to set up servers

a half assed solution is what nintendo does with online - if Sony gives us all the features XBL has and for free then it is superior.We' ll have to wait to see it though.

a half assed solution is what nintendo does with online - if Sony gives us all the features XBL has and for free then it is superior.We' ll have to wait to see it though

You keep forgetting that sony is providing the online service, only the shell of it! Its still the same as before just with a new layer to make it look shiny, and to offer downloads and stuff like that!

and friendlist , gamertags and all that actually matters.

This new layer is pretty much what it' s all about.

I don' t think anyone' as mentioned this slightly off topic but whatever happened to the sony conference?....they' ve been pretty quiet since postponing.

Goodness knows what' ds happened with the conference. But the games convention hasn' t been much in the way of sony, seems they are just saving all their guns for tgs.

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

and friendlist , gamertags and all that actually matters.

This new layer is pretty much what it' s all about.

If you have bad server connections and lag, you can take your friendlist and stick it up the darkest corners of your ass!

ORIGINAL: Vx Chemical

and friendlist , gamertags and all that actually matters.

This new layer is pretty much what it' s all about.

If you have bad server connections and lag, you can take your friendlist and stick it up the darkest corners of your ass!

What a, er.... pleasant... thought

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

ORIGINAL: Vx Chemical

Doesn' t the $600 ps3 comes with wireless and a bunch of extra shit, you can just get the $500 version you know.

I mean the wireless adapter for xbox360 costs $100, so an xbox360 with that included would boost the price to $500, only $100 less than PS3.

Its a bad idea offering stuff like wireless included in the box if you have to raise the price 100$ to do it! i for one, dont need since i have a cable running to it in the wall, as other people have had before, to connect either the PS2 or Xbox.

I like having a cheaper console and buying the accesories i want. Thats why the 20gp PS3 model is utterly garbage, you cant upgrade the HDMI port!

Why would you want to upgrade the HDMI port? OK - what I mean is, how the fuck do you " upgrade" an HDMI port? What you' re saying doesnt make sense.

Are you saying the $500 PS3 Doesnt have an HDMI port and you cant upgrade it to have one?

Not that big of a deal to me, HDMI would be nice but my 360 looks fine just off component.

And why wouldn' t you be able to uprade the HDD? I understand how you cant add an HDMI to a system that doesnt have it, but as far as HDD goes you can just swap out the old one and stick a new one in.

Anyway, the ps3 is a deal at $600 when you compare it to the 360.

360 = $400
Wireless Adapter = $100
HD-DVD add on - ATLEAST $100.

PS3 has wireless and bluray included for $600 so really the 360 and PS3 are EXACTLY the same price.

Evil man, Your post wasnt full of hate, dare I say it was ...normal... what happened?

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

I wish you had made a quote for that! well with the ps3 you dont see what you pay for. plus the PS hub is a half assed solution and no better than what the PS2 could do! since its still the devs who has to set up servers

How do you know that lol have you played on i dought please share how you no so much about that lol you dont do you if so please explains

Evil man, Your post wasnt full of hate, dare I say it was ...normal... what happened?

ture

but you don' t have one in 360 :)

for 500$ you get Xbox 360 premium + Wireless.You don' t have a next gen dvd player and you have to pay for playing online.At the same time you can use all 20gb of your harddrive on PS3.

MS is crazy to charge 100$ for Wireless.

I can' t imagine explaining PS3' s value when they tell us to pay 425 pounds...

After you buy all an 360 with all the accsories then yeah you do indeed get riped off but its all good

The only argument FOR the 360 in this situation is that, yes, after the wireless adapter and HD-DVD add-on, it DOES equal the price of the PS3.

But, and it' s a HUGE exception....

The 360 makes this optional. I don' t care for Blu-Ray, and I don' t care for Wi-Fi. Can I spend 200 dollars less and get a great videogame system without a bell and a whistle I don' t care for? No.

That is the main argument as far as price is concerned.

What sony promise of their online service has yet to be seen.
They promised something equal and better then XBL but still they had nothing to show at e3.
Hm...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

The PS3 IS cheap. Kutaragi was right all the time. I love that guy, we must apologize to him for not believing in his words.

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The only argument FOR the 360 in this situation is that, yes, after the wireless adapter and HD-DVD add-on, it DOES equal the price of the PS3.

But, and it' s a HUGE exception....

The 360 makes this optional. I don' t care for Blu-Ray, and I don' t care for Wi-Fi. Can I spend 200 dollars less and get a great videogame system without a bell and a whistle I don' t care for? No.

That is the main argument as far as price is concerned.

I don' t think i' ll get the hd-dvd add-on not until I think i' m gonna be watching movies a lot.

Could you imagine Sony launching the PS2 with a DVD-drive and that Microsoft would have released the Xbox without one?
But with the Xbox you would' ve had the choice of purchasing a DVD add-on in the future.
That would' ve been stupid.

hmm good point...

Here is the diffrence ginjirou,normal dvd' s can play in HD,normal dvd' s is enough for any next-gen game.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Sure it is now - but 3 years from now BD storage could be used in ways we' ve never imagined. :)

It' s a speculation for now , wether this superior storage means a lot or nothing for games, we honestly don' t know - no matter how educated are opinions are.