MGS4

The screen below is from the extended E32006 trailer and is the only time we see Snake in a shot that resembles the gameplay from previous games. We know for definate that the entire trailer was rendered " in-engine" but is likely to have a shi*load of post processing effects that won' t be present during gameplay. However, whilst i stand by my previous comments about all MGS games looking far nicer during cutscenes than during gameplay and while i don' t think MGS4 will be an exception to that, i think is definately possible...



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Since we don' t know what kind of camera perspective Kojima will use it makes it hard to get an idea of what the game will be like when you' re playing it. Still, if it DID look something like that, would you be impressed?!

Fukking traitor.

Go and play some wii with gangsta biatch

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Since we don' t know what kind of camera perspective Kojima will use

I' m not 100% sure, but I think I heard somewhere or another, that the game was going to use the same camera method as that of Subsistance.

its going to be 3rd person like subsistance, possibley with a top down perspective added in too.

New trailer is going to shown in August, isnt that fantastic news!?

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

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New trailer is going to shown in August, isnt that fantastic news!?

Think they' ll show gameplay?!

no way, in fact i hope they wont, Mgs is all about story. I love story.

Its not an impossibleity though. But when MGS4 is ready to be played, thats when they will show some gameplay footage, expect that at TGS.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

In short, mgs4 is a masterpeace. It' s kinda hard to believe that the serie is finished... I' m confused.

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no way, in fact i hope they wont, Mgs is all about story. I love story.

Its not an impossibleity though. But when MGS4 is ready to be played, thats when they will show some gameplay footage, expect that at TGS.

No. I don' t expect to see gameplay unil E32007. It' s supposedly going to be released next year and all of the other entries have had their gameplay seen first at the E3 in their respective year of release.

I' m not 100% sure, but I think I heard somewhere or another, that the game was going to use the same camera method as that of Subsistance.

You' ll have both the Splinter Cell-Esque camera, and the traditional fixed-point camera in MGS4, I' ve read it in magazines, and it' s on Wikipedia, but I can' t find a freakin confirmable link.
It' d be nice to see gameplay in some form at TGS, but I' m hoping they' ll hold back the big guns till E3. I want to be completely blown away by the demo.

Edit: I was watching the e3 trailer again, and if you look at the L' s in the Metal
Gear Solid: 4 end title, upside down, they look like sevens. three sevens... 7/7/07. Maybe I' m reading a little too deep, but it' d make sense, It' s the 20th anniversary of the Metal Gear release right? Here' s hoping.

man im so looking foward to play this game, its totally gonna rock the world, in this MGS we will see everything we love about the series upgraded like the octo-cam, the CQC, the new camera, the videos and everything we (fans and haters) didnt like fixed for instance, the healing sistem will become just cutscenes, octocam takes just a couple of seconds to activate, and u wont have to hunt an animal to feed but there will be an stamina meter.

About the gameplay i belive its been understimated, its so awesome and deep, in MGS3 if u count all the weapons, camos and items u have like 200 diferent ways to interact whit your enviroment, besides the gameplay images used to look worst than the cutscenes because of the camera, but whit the new improved camera the hole game will look soooo cool, dont take my word for it, just go buy MGS3: Subsistance.

and u wont have to hunt an animal to feed but there will be an stamina meter.

Really? Interesting, where did you hear that? I thought Kojima was doing away with the stamina bar. (minus hanging/climbing and that sort of thing)

besides the gameplay images used to look worst than the cutscenes because of the camera

You think so? Sure, gameplay most likely won' t look any better than FMV' s and CGI, but I don' t think it' s because of the camera. I always thought that gameplay looked better with the fixed-cinematic style camera. The 3D camera is a great addition, and is good for stuff like sniper battles and vehicle missions, but when it comes to confined spaces or using cover, you can' t beat the original.

yeah u wont have to hunt down ur food, my guess is that u will be able to recover ur stamina other way, like in the TGS trailer when snake takes that shot in the neck, well is just a wild guess.

The camera has a lot to do whit the way the game looks, i cant belive MGS3: SE and subsistance are the same game, whit the subsistance camera the game looks wayyyyyyyyy better, i think we will see the best of MGS series this time whit MGS4

Edit: I was watching the e3 trailer again, and if you look at the L' s in the Metal
Gear Solid: 4 end title, upside down, they look like sevens. three sevens... 7/7/07. Maybe I' m reading a little too deep, but it' d make sense, It' s the 20th anniversary of the Metal Gear release right? Here' s hoping.

I love crazy theories like that.
I love it even more when such theories actually turn out to be correct.

whilst i stand by my previous comments about all MGS games looking far nicer during cutscenes than during gameplay and while i don' t think MGS4 will be an exception to that, i think is definately possible...

But you can' t say that you felt downgraded visuals when you were actually playing - for me it was a totally seamless transition , so the difference in detail isn' t THAT big.

I wonder if this new MGS will be the best game ever made - that trailer sure shows something that could be the best game ever , but that' s just a trailer.

Best game ever made?

You do realise this is MGS?

Wake up please.

This is not a Sakaguchi-blue dragon rpg that we are talking about.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

But you can' t say that you felt downgraded visuals when you were actually playing - for me it was a totally seamless transition , so the difference in detail isn' t THAT big.

Cutscene



Gameplay



Now what are you talking about?

You' ll have both the Splinter Cell-Esque camera, and the traditional fixed-point camera in MGS4, I' ve read it in magazines, and it' s on Wikipedia, but I can' t find a freakin confirmable link.

It' s only natural that since Subsistence utilized both the classic Birds-eye view camera and a new 3rd person view camera that Metal Gear Solid 4 would utilize both.. What would be funny would be if Konami later released an Metal Gear Solid 4: Subsistence with a first person view mode where you can run and shoot, for half the price ;)

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

Yes,majik has already told us how Gears of war and MGs4 would get down graded when it was gameplay,so far gow has slightly been that,and still look amazing.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

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Yes,majik has already told us how Gears of war and MGs4 would get down graded when it was gameplay,so far gow has slightly been that,and still look amazing.

Unfortunately for Sony that RSX sucks muchos ass and that Japanese developers don' t like shader heavy games.

MGS cutscenes ALWAYS look FAR nicer than gameplay. What we' ve seen so far of MGS4 is gorgeous looking in-engine scripted videos where there is no AI or player input to worry about, very minimal physics to handle and tons of post processing effects added. Just like all MGS cutscenes.

Gameplay will look nice, that' s undoubtable, but the gameplay won' t look as nice as the cutscenes.

run and shoot

Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!!11!!!

Majik,don' t forget that Kojima himself has admit he would rather want to do movies the games,you can see that in MGS2,but lets be honest,as long as he have a bisexuell vampire as a warrior working for some russians,he can forget his movie dreams.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

he have a bisexuell vampire as a warrior working for some russians

Yeah I am pretty sure Vamp will be back, he was included in the concept art poster a while ago.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

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he have a bisexuell vampire as a warrior working for some russians

Yeah I am pretty sure Vamp will be back, he was included in the concept art poster a while ago.

So was Big Boss.

Yeah I know, Raiden is meant to come off really good, Kojima said ' people will like him by the end' so I expect Snake to kind of turn evil-ish or bad-ish for people to dislike him.

Snake wont kill himself. Either that, or the guy shooting himself was somehow Big Boss.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

I dunno. I think Snake will die in a fashion similar to how Gray Fox died in the original. He know' s he' s dead anyway so sacrificing himself for the greater good would be the only way to go.

Raiden looks completely BADASS in the trailer but he looks fucked up. I' m not sure of his motives or where his loyalties lie. His child has been kidnapped so his mind could be anywhere.

Since we know Solid Snake killed Big Boss then i don' t understand how Big Boss could return or which side he would choose upon returning. Maybe Solid DIDN' T kill him and actually let him live and he returns to help Solid take down Liquid Ocelot and the Patriots?!

Big boss could very well be alive, It cant be anybody else.

I hope liquid is in it more, Got to love that voice actor [who ever played him] ' Dont you reconsize me Dear brotherrrrr!?'

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

those screens justify my opinion actually :)

I think big-boss getting re-cloned, or hooked up to some amazing machine would be a little to cliche for Kojima to use. They showed his charred remains in the concept art, so I think It' d have something to do with finding his body, for something relating to foxdie maybe?

Edit: I was watching the e3 trailer again, and if you look at the L' s in the Metal
Gear Solid: 4 end title, upside down, they look like sevens. three sevens... 7/7/07. Maybe I' m reading a little too deep, but it' d make sense, It' s the 20th anniversary of the Metal Gear release right? Here' s hoping.

I love crazy theories like that.
I love it even more when such theories actually turn out to be correct.

I' m sticking to my theory, and if I' m wrong, everyone will have forgotten by then. And if I' m right, I' m digging up this thread, and rubbing it in everyones faces in a thoroughly immature fashion!

ORIGINAL: Silentbomber


I hope liquid is in it more, Got to love that voice actor [who ever played him] ' Dont you reconsize me Dear brotherrrrr!?'

Cam Clarke is Liquid' s voice actor.

If you visit www.imdb.com you' ll find voice actors for most games worth their names.
Such as Shenmue:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234713/
Note that the game has a 10/10 rating .
Here' s the MGS2 list:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0249008/
It seems Cam Clarke has made voices in lots of games:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0164682/

MGS = bleh.

You don' t seem to like many of the best games out there.
What kind of games do you like?

Evilman' s opinion = BLEH ....

this guy really is strange - Shenmue sux? MGS=Bleh?

I guess it' s barbie horse race or nothing for Evilboy :)

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this guy really is strange - Shenmue sux? MGS=Bleh?

I guess it' s barbie horse race or nothing for Evilboy :)

Barbie Horse race is A SOLID GAME with in depth RPG elements.
oh yeh TIZ sorry missed ur call, ill be phoneless until wednesday.
2morrow please dont go to PC world and buy the monitor i saw sum SEXY 20inch widescreen (DELL) ONES on ebay FOR 145.

Sorry for GOING off topic peeps

Rest in PEACE Cetra and GANGSTA you guys will be missed..........

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this guy really is strange - Shenmue sux? MGS=Bleh?

I guess it' s barbie horse race or nothing for Evilboy :)

I' m not strange, I just like quality games and dont play garbage like Shenmue.

Barbie Horse race is A SOLID GAME with in depth RPG elements.

...........errr sorry

I just like quality games and dont play garbage like Shenmue.

If you don' t play Shenmue how do you know it isn' t the best game ever made (and many people say it is) ?

I bet Zelda is even worse in your opinion, not to mention it' s in SD.

You won' t get any respect from gamers here - you clearly don' t know much about games.

I would love to hera what are those quality games youre talking about

Quality:

X360: Elder Scrolls IV: Ovlivion, Dead Or Alive 4, Burnout Revenge.
PS2: God Of War, Onimusha 3, Suikoden 3, Frequency, etc.
Xbox: Halo 2, Jade Empire, JSRF, KOTOR, etc.

That' s quality games.

Shenmue = trash.

As for zelda, Zelda WW was mediocre, Zelda Ocarina of Time is good. Though even WW is better than shenmue, but then again what isn' t better than shenmue? lol.

Shenmue = Walk around asking the same fucking retarded questions to people and answering to everything with " I see." Game' s fucking trash. OMG DO U REMEMBER THE DAY IT RAINED, DO U KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE INCIDENT? OH I SEE. I SEE. HMMM, I SEE. I SEE.

Lmao @ Shenmue. I wanted to slap around Ryo and tell him to SHUT THE FUCK UP everytime he opened his god damn mouth, as well as all those fucking horrible voiced NPCs, their voices still make me shudder.

The only good thing about shenmue was that sony was able to rip off the " Quick Time Events" (which sucked ass in shenmue) and actually make good use of them in God Of War, GOW' s QTE' s are fucking awesome, that is the only good thing to come out of shenmue' s existence.

WW is a great game except for all the backtracking while collecting the Triforce!

X360: Elder Scrolls IV: Ovlivion, Dead Or Alive 4, Burnout Revenge.
PS2: God Of War, Onimusha 3, Suikoden 3, Frequency, etc.
Xbox: Halo 2, Jade Empire, JSRF, KOTOR, etc.

well, that explains a lot actually

It explains my high standards, yes.