Does nintendo have it right with no HD support???

It supports 480i at the most (I think, if am wrong...sorry); which in my mind, its not a bad thing. Being a 360 owner and not having a HD setup the games look great but in some chases its to dark or light, will the wii look as good or better as a 360 or PS3 on a regular TV setup? In most game mags/sites you never hear if the 360 games lose a lot of transition from HD to a regular TV setup (we all know that HD will look the best). when we have full on console war will we have two sets of reviews on HD/TV for multi-platform reviews (doubtful).Think about it for those of us who dont have the extra cash for a HDTV will we be left in the dark, and there' s a lot of us.
Nintendo has truly been thinking outside the cube with the wii

Wii will support 480p.

will the wii look as good or better as a 360 or PS3 on a regular TV setup?

It' ll look as good as a Gamecube running in progressive scan.

In most game mags/sites you never hear if the 360 games lose a lot of transition from HD to a regular TV setup

That' s a REALLY GOOD point. It' s true that HD formatted games lose significant deails when displayed on SDTV' s. The difference is huge and the amount of detail that is missing in SD is staggering. Advanced Warfighter is a good example and could easily be used as a test case.

Think about it for those of us who dont have the extra cash for a HDTV will we be left in the dark, and there' s a lot of us.

No not really. Next-gen games will (do) look laeps and bounds nicer than the previous generation when displayed in SD, but HD takes it much further.

It' s easier (and cheaper) to get a large-ish PC monitor to use with your 360/PS3.

People,with higher graphic engine and better visual stuff then ofc it will look better no matter what kind of HD.

dont forget Final Fantasy 8 to ps1 was in 800' 600.
Who here think that looked better then for ex ff10 with lower res?

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

i am really looking forward to buy nintendo´s new console because it has better graphics than current gen, much lower price and most importantly of all...it´s all about fun.

i don´t have the need for HD right now (even if i am always excited about tech news), so why buy it? why pay more 200 or 300€ just to play games if they can be done with quality at much lower prices?

correct me if im wrong but mario galaxy seems to have pixel shader 3.0 on it,like oblivion.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

It' ll look as good as a Gamecube running in progressive scan

I thought the wii was goning to be a stronger then the xbox I dont know how much but let me know. never seen GC in progressive scan

No not really. Next-gen games will (do) look laeps and bounds nicer than the previous generation when displayed in SD, but HD takes it much further.

true that but why do we need a hdtv to get the full effect
why not just SD for great graffix, the tech is a givin. if all three consoles come out
with lets say Shenmue III will the wii be able to hold its own with the other consoles hooked up to a SDTV;graffix side not control (even though it would still rock

The difference is huge and the amount of detail that is missing in SD is staggering. Advanced Warfighter is a good example and could easily be used as a test case.

thanks for the headz up i was thinking to buy GRAW

i am really looking forward to buy nintendo´s new console because it has better graphics than current gen, much lower price and most importantly of all...it´s all about fun.

i don´t have the need for HD right now (even if i am always excited about tech news), so why buy it? why pay more 200 or 300€ just to play games if they can be done with quality at much lower prices?

right on my same thoughts

People have to remember that games as GRAW/OB use next gen features as HDR and pixel shader 3.0 also AA to take away jaggies.

Then add in a greater graphic engine and it look truly next gen,no matter what resolution.

Even today most pc gamers use 1024' 768 in reso as they did for years ago,cause if you have " high" settings you get the next gen look all the time.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

But with the next-gen look, PS3 has it done more then MS dont you think
just for the fact that the PS3 is going to be as strong or stronger then a PC.
is that the same for the 360?

correct me if im wrong but mario galaxy seems to have pixel shader 3.0 on it,like oblivion.

is the pixel shader 3.0 new to this next batch of consoles? am not tech savy.
If it does then the wii in the graffix department will be pretty damn good.


Lets face it better graffix are great dont get me wrong; but My idea of next gen graffix was a little to high i guess. thats why I think nintendo has somethin great
good graffix and a whole new way to play games

People have to remember that games as GRAW/OB use next gen features as HDR and pixel shader 3.0 also AA to take away jaggies.

whats AA and HDR

AA=Anti-aliasing it make things fuzzy over objects edges but you cant see the fuzzy,instead you see lines on object/characters that look real,you will not see jaggies with it,and the higher AA the better.,these box looking things sticking out of objects/characters is jaggies,as you saw with old games.

HDR=high dynamic range.

basically they put up the sun on a map,then the light from it will goes as where light can come down on.
It' s an advance light system,light only comes down where it can,and it will reflect on objects.
Basically clouds will make the light break down when coming down from the sky.
For ex in GRAW on Fishing village you can sometime see clearly up from a beach posistion up to a mountain,then suddenly the clouds might move and the sun blend your character so you cant see up anymore.

Its not only for awesome graphic,but for gameplay.

I forgot what pixelshader was,but some lightsystem on characters/objects if i remember right.
But its look awesome.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I really don' t care about HD games. Pc' s games have been in higher resolution for a long time but I and many others never cared. Now all of a sudden it seems to be the most important thing in gaming just because Microsoft and Sony keeps talking about it. Bah! I' m happy with SD. But I can' t deny that HD does look nicer.

thanks for the info

so do you think nintendo made a mistake not going with HD QuezcatoL?
why or why not?

I really don' t care about HD games. Pc' s games have been in higher resolution for a long time but I and many others never cared. Now all of a sudden it seems to be the most important thing in gaming just because Microsoft and Sony keeps talking about it. Bah! I' m happy with SD. But I can' t deny that HD does look nicer

very very true. all this HD talk just a ploy to get us to by stuff

I don' t think it' s a ploy, or something by MS or Sony. It' s just that HD is the future, and they' re marketing to that. They say HDTV ownership in the next two years is gonna quintuple (that' s 5 TIMES, DAMMIT!) I think in the video game community, it' ll probably be more like 10 times (since video game players are more tech savvy than you average consumer, and has a higher early adoption rate.)

I just got my component cables for my Gamecube BTW. Looks SWEEEET! Too bad I lost my memory card, and can' t find a copy of Ikaruga.

No,i dont think Nintendo did do a misstake in not going HD,they may now use their fullest attention on developing for max 480p.
While dev for 360 has to dev in 720 p in mind,basically people with SD could had better graphic cause dev developed in 720p in mind which makes the game goes slower,thus not adding more.

Also look at Mario Galaxy it looks fucking awesome ;)
So dont worry about it.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Wii isnt powerfull enough for Hd support, so why does it need it?

I think people are just complaing that the Wii isnt going to be that powerfull, No hd support just shows this, and these people who claim ' gameplay over graphics' still bitch about hd.

Wii is not about graphics, its about gameplay.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

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It' s easier (and cheaper) to get a large-ish PC monitor to use with your 360/PS3.

Is there a first party VGA adapter for the Xbox 360?

Wii is saving a lot of performance by staying in SD, remember Wii is not much more powerful then an xbox, the simple truth is that Wii can' t support high def and maintain a quality of graphics above GameCube.



" Is there a first party VGA adapter for the Xbox 360?"

Yep, at first all of 360' s accessories were 1st party.

sorry, delete. I meant to edit.

the processing speed and ram memory of wii may not be that different than xbox but it´s gpu is way better than xbox´s

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Hey! This displacement-mapping smells like snake oil!


Honestly though I don' t think Nintendo needed HD. Like the saying goes... It' s not how many pixels you use... It' s how you use them.

As Mario Galaxy has proven, we' re still in for some fantastic graphics in SD yet.

But thinking a few years down the line when HD acceptance has grown to the full, the Wii will seem outdated. So that' s the problem, Nintendo have given the Wii a shorter lifespan than the other consoles by not adding HD.

One thing though, you can see DVD players now that upsample the video of SD DVDs to run in HD on HDTVs.

Could Nintendo, if not a third-party, release an add-on that could do the same for the Wii? It could even just be software that does it.

Does nintendo have it right with no HD support???

...of course they do...

....nintendo' s target audience are simply not interested in anything as technologically complex as HD...

...Wii could be less powerful than gamecube and nintendo' s target base would still love it....



....i can' t believe a real nintendo fan would ask such a dumb question anyway...

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Wii' s hardware specifications are still to be finalized. It' s custom built GPU (developed in conjunction with Nintendo' s specifications) is highly likely to be leaps and bounds more advanced than the GeForce 3 that Microsoft used in the original Xbox,

People keep comparing the processing speed to that of the Xbox too, which is daft considering that Wii will have a PowerPC based core rather than a Pentium 3 like the Xbox. The fact is that the PowerPC based processor will be significantly more " powerful" than the Xbox' s CPU, even at a comparable clock rate.

Wii' s game' s a year in will look like Xbx 360 launch titles without the high resolution. I seriously expect Mario 128 (if it ever appears) to look something like Kameo graphically. I mean, Gamecube was hardly a slouch, games like Rogue Leader/Squadron, RE/0/4, Super Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker and the forthcoming Twilight Princess easily outshine much of what was released on Xbox!

Something tells me that ATI has made something a lot better then that geeforce 3 in XBOX,its gone 5 years you know :P

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

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[....nintendo' s target audience are simply not interested in anything as technologically complex as HD...

Damn it. You made the point i was going to make

That' s what it' s all about really. Honestly I think Sony is putting TOO much attention on HD.

But the real reason they are doing that isn' t for games anyway. They' re trying to win the HD movie format war.

Of the three companies, nintendo seems to be the only one truly concerned about gameplay progressing this gen.

I take the Wii will support True VGA/component output at 480p maybe even some games at 720? (a few Xbox games are 720p compatible)..

I’ve noticed that when i play my Dreamcast via ‘true VGA’ it still looks lovely, even after playing super-high resolution PC games on the same monitor (in fact I’ve noticed my Dreamcast’ss VGA kills my 360’s, looks super sharp and MUCH brighter)..

I’m assuming the Wii will have similar output the DC' s but this time the GPU will Anti-analyze to sort out any jaggies..

And lets not forget that Nintendo makes some of the most vibrant and best looking games anyway..

It' s anti-alias, not analyze.

Nintendo' s certainly no stranger to anti-aliasing. The effect was OVER-used on pretty much every N64 game. Only later games like Perfect Dark and Donkey Kong 64 looked sharper.

Mario 64 emulated on a pc monitor at 1024x768, is a sight to be seen. Ditto for Zelda:Ocarina

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Wii is saving a lot of performance by staying in SD, remember Wii is not much more powerful then an xbox, the simple truth is that Wii can' t support high def and maintain a quality of graphics above GameCube.

This is simply NOT true.

You said that the Wii is more powerful than an Xbox, but can' t support HD! The original Xbox IS HD!!

Wii could easily support HD. It' s just that Nintendo decided that video game players are not interested in this. Same as they did with online play this past generation.

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I take the Wii will support True VGA/component output at 480p maybe even some games at 720? (a few Xbox games are 720p compatible)..

Nope. They said " no HD support" which means 720p is out of the question unless they change their minds. Hell, even 480p is considered HD (because of the widescreen aspect ratio) so if you have widescreen, you' re F***ED (just like the later editions of the Gamecube!)

Honestly, I think this is a stupid ass move. I WANT MY HD, DAMMIT!!

nintendo' s target audience are simply not interested in anything as technologically complex as HD...

I' m their audience and I love the idea of HD visuals.I' m a gamer so gameplay comes first - but visuals are important.Still most Wii games I' ve seen present themselves nicely.

Nobody really cares about HD. If we did, then everybody would have them.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Have to agree with Silentbomber. HD doesn' t interest me at all.

lol...come on people...

would you turn down higher reso in a pc game?
HD isn' t a must have in 360 games,but it' s give better graphics.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

the question isn' t if hd is good or not. we all know it' s good. but i don' t see it as a big enough issue to make anyone adopt or snub a console.

*sigh* You guys just don' t get it. HDTV owners are simply better people. Our brains have higher functions, our manual dexterity is AT LEAST 10x better, and instead of feces, fully cooked, 6 course meals come out of our asses. That' s not even mentioning the fact that we ALL have sex with Jessica Alba every night!

Damn commoners!

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and instead of feces, fully cooked, 6 course meals come out of our asses.

OMFG. I ate dinner at a friend' s house last week, and we watched movies on his brand new HDTV!!!

...i need a breath mint.

LOL

and instead of feces, fully cooked, 6 course meals come out of our asses.

I feel unclean...

Breathmints are included. As are flatware, silverware, and toothpicks, unless your HD only does 480p.

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That' s not even mentioning the fact that we ALL have sex with Jessica Alba every night!

Damn commoners!

And I' m sick of getting sloppy 3 million two hundred thirty four thousand and five hundred sixty eighths. Plus, Jessica just didn' t seem that interested any more!

majority people dont have hd tvs, especially nintendos mainn target so yah they have it right.As long as its fun it shouldnt matter the graphics.