Apple/Nintendo Buyout?

Definitely created as it was a slow news day, but, hell, it' s fun to speculate;

Does Apple want to buy Nintendo? It seems unlikely to us, but that' s the latest internet gossip and speculation which is being fuelled by an article over on CNET, which has re-ignited the debate.

Any evidence for such wild mutterings? Well, to be honest there' s not a great deal. Last month, rumours from the US fingered LucasArts' tech director Mike Lampbell who' d apparently been switched to a secret Apple games project, which would apparently involve making iPod games. Conspiracy theorists immediately summoned the salmon of doubt to pooh-pooh this idea and speculated widely that Apple had another, bigger target in mind, namely Nintendo.

There' s little doubt Apple could afford a buyout after the success of the iPod, but would it make any sense? Well due to the way the stock market works, Japanese companies are notoriously difficult and costly to target with hostile takeovers, and given the effort its put into Wii and DS it' s unlikely Nintendo would sell, so maybe something else is going on?

Current conspiracy theory runs there may be some kind of deal going on with the new Mac Mini which could run Nintendo games or have Nintendo games made especially for it. With the Mac Mini being priced roughly the same as the PS3, the theorists suggest an acquisition of Nintendo would give Apple an instant ' in' into the console market with its new machine.

Seems like testing the outer limits of ' wildly speculative' to us, but certainly an interesting one to chew over on a quiet Monday afternoon.

If we see a new NintenMac appearing sometime next year you can spank us silly and call us Susan, but would an Apple-Nintendo partnership (however unlikely) float your boat?

Can' t see it myself. Nintendo' d rather implode than sell up.

in Poland on our news channel they said that S.Jobs send a letter to iwata declaring his interest in buying N or merging two companies.

I' m not sure how accurate this is - I' ve been searching all over the web and couldn' t find anything.

It would benefit apple to work with N - They need to fight MS on the gaming ground.And then there' s this thing called itunes that could distribute nintendo software to apple devices and all the cool media to nintendo systems.

hmmm.

That would be different. Imagine powering on your Wii, and acessing the internet from OSX... It' d be nice if they worked together, but I' m not sure I' d like anything else to be owned by major computer companies. Especially something like Nintendo.

There has been speculation about Apple buying/merging/partnering with Nintendo for a couple of years now.

...funny...

...i always thought apple was in bed with sony....

...apple have exclusive access to Sony Pictures...

..they have also announced officially that they will be supporting Blue-Ray.... ..even the Superdrive in my G5 is made by sony....

....this news seems little more than ill-informed gossip to me....

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you' re more than ill-informed bish :)

Apple and Sony are enemies on portable audio front - Sony people got their asses kicked...no not even kicked - massacred by iPod.

They' ve been trying to comeback ever since (with no results)

Apple went Blue Ray like many other companies (Dell) cause they like the protection system.MS went HD-DVD cause Sony and Apple are after blue ray :)

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you' re more than ill-informed bish :)

Apple and Sony are enemies on portable audio front - Sony people got their asses kicked...no not even kicked - massacred by iPod.

They' ve been trying to comeback ever since (with no results)

Apple went Blue Ray like many other companies (Dell) cause they like the protection system.MS went HD-DVD cause Sony and Apple are after blue ray :)

Correct!

Sony' s SonyEricsson Walkman mobile phones have been very successful. SonyEricsson has with the help of the Walkman brand grown to become one of the biggest mobile phone brands in the world at amazing speed.
Even though Sony' s mp3 players may be falling behind, their battle in the portable audio war is far from a failure.

SonyEricsson has with the help of the Walkman brand grown to become on of the biggest mobile phone brands in the world at amazing speed.

Really? I thought it was Samsung...

Still, Sony' s Walkman brand is awful now. They used to be great, but Apple have completely dominated the market, leaving Sony to compete with other eletronics companies since there' s nobody competing directly at Apple' s level.

At the current rate, mobile phones with the ability to play audio will eventually outsell the iPod. And with SonyEricsson being the most popular mobile phones when it comes to portable audio I think Sony' s chances are good.
What hindered the mobile phones from becoming big has been the small amount of storage. 1 GB isn' t enough for your music collection but with MemoryStick/SD card support today' s cell phones can have up to 4 GB. Lots of cell phones also have built in harddiscs of up to 4 GB.
Since everyone has a mobile phone it seems likely that people will choose to purchase mobile phones with audio playback which will save them the money that an iPod would require.

Ok, and what do you think Apple will do?

I don' t know as I don' t work there. They will of course try to counter with something else. Make cell phones, I don' t know.
Stupid question Majik. You think I believe they' ll just sit and watch? I' m not that stupid. Stop putting so much faith in Apple and realize that there' s some serious competition coming up. You' re like an Apple fanboy who think they' re indestructible. Nintendo made the NES and the SNES but started falling with the N64 and it was really ugly with the Gamecube. Sony made the successful PSX and PS2 and might fall with the PS3. What makes Apple so different?
Nothing can really tell what the future demand will look like and that almost makes the whole electronics industry into a lottery. Apple are doing great now but they can lose too.
Btw, I believe the biggest mobile phone company is Motorola followed by Nokia.

What makes Apple so different?

Apple are marketing gods.

Stop putting so much faith in Apple and realize that there' s some serious competition coming up

But it doesn' t work like that. To get the newest, nicest phones, you either have to sign into a 12 month contract or pay in excess of £300. There is and always will be a need for portable music players.

If Apple get into the mobile phone business, they' ll just be fighting on 2 fronts.

Apple are marketing gods.

Apple fanboyism right there.
If they are marketing gods then why aren' t Mac' s crushing PC' s?
Sony managed to make the PS2 succesful despite its many flaws and lacking support in the beginning so they have to be the real marketing gods.
I mean, Apple' s products has some impressive quality compared to Sony' s.

But it doesn' t work like that. To get the newest, nicest phones, you either have to sign into a 12 month contract or pay in excess of £300. There is and always will be a need for portable music players.

Everyone has a cell phone and you need to get a new quite often.
Today most companies, Vodafone for example, have very good deals which pretty much gives you the phones for free. Besides, for £300 you' re not only getting an mp3 player, you' re getting a phone, a digital camera, a web browser and much more. With 3G you have fast connection speeds and in the future you' ll be able to enjoy TV broadcast on your cell phones. And thanks to the fact that they use the telephone nets you don' t have to be in Wi-Fi hotspots to take advantage of some of the features. You can use a cell phone EVERYWHERE.
For the monthly fee you usually get to make free calls that makes it worth it.
I' m not the one saying that Apple will face tough competition from cell phones. It' s been said by educated analysts. I don' t have a link or anything but I read it in newspapers. I think it looks like it can be difficult for Apple to keep their dominance on the portable audio market.
Another interesting thing is that one of the probable reasons the DS was made was to compete with cell phones since the games on the cell phones became more advanced and that probably threatened Nintendo' s grip on the handheld market in Japan. Add to that the fact that cell phones also have touch screens and microphones and you' ll see that cell phones are indeed the future.

If they are marketing gods then why aren' t Mac' s crushing PC' s?

Because of software compatability. Shit, if everything that worked with Windows worked with iMacs, then i' d rather go with Apple as they' re far more reliable and efficient.

Everyone has a cell phone and you need to get a new quite often.

Why?

Y' know, i LOVE technology, i buy tons of stuff i don' t even need, but i don' t feel the need to keep buying new phones. A phone is a phone and the phone i bought 2 years ago still does the job i bought it for.

Today most companies, Vodafone for example, have very good deals which pretty much gives you the phones for free.

Yeah they do, but you have to sign up to a 12 month contract.

Add to that the fact that cell phones also have touch screens and microphones and you' ll see that cell phones are indeed the future.

Ok, so how big will these fully fuctional web browsing, game playing phones be?!

I though the idea was for phones to get increasingly smaller. The screens are way to small to play real games or watch movies on.

Apple and Sony are enemies on portable audio front - Sony people got their asses kicked...no not even kicked - massacred by iPod.

...i don' t think apple ever originally intended the ipod to compete directly with walkman... ...ipod was a surprise hit... ...apple had no idea that it would snowball into what it is today...

....EVERY portable music company (samsung, awia, phillips, etc) is getting whupped buy apple....

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Because of software compatability. Shit, if everything that worked with Windows worked with iMacs, then i' d rather go with Apple as they' re far more reliable and efficient.

I' ve always wondered why the software compatibility with Mac' s are so bad as I don' t know much about computers. Do you know?
Anyway, I think Windows is great. The only thing I like with Mac' s are the gone wirers.

Why?

Y' know, i LOVE technology, i buy tons of stuff i don' t even need, but i don' t feel the need to keep buying new phones. A phone is a phone and the phone i bought 2 years ago still does the job i bought it for.

As time goes by cell phones break and older technologies aren' t used anymore. It' s only a matter of time before the GSM net isn' t used anymore and then people will have to get 3G phones. And they will get the ones with audio playback.

Yeah they do, but you have to sign up to a 12 month contract.

So? What is it with people and their fear of commiting to something?

Ok, so how big will these fully fuctional web browsing, game playing phones be?!

I though the idea was for phones to get increasingly smaller. The screens are way to small to play real games or watch movies on.

Phones gets the sizes that people want. Most 3G phones are bigger than older phones for two reasons. One is that the technology needs more space. The second is that the screens are bigger to take advantage of the technology. I have a great 3G phone that is more than a year old. I watch movies, play my music and play games on it. The screen size is good. Portability and funtionality in one perfect mix.
Also, digital distribution has come far on cell phones. You can buy games, music and videos directly to your phone.

Also, digital distribution has come far on cell phones. You can buy games, music and videos directly to your phone.

And yet Apple still control 80% of the digital music distribution market.

Yes because mobile phones hasn' t had the storage advantage until now. I' m not talking about the current situation. As of now Apple truly dominates the portable audio market. But if you think a little you should not be surprised if they lose their dominance in the future.
I' m not saying Apple will lose 100%. What I am saying is that it' s very likely that they will lose and that it' s looking good for Sony on that front.
What' s disturbing me is that you' re constantly protecting Apple just like Sony fanboys protect Sony. And then you go trashtalk the Sony fanboys.
Sony has the biggest marketshare of the videogame industry. Does that mean Microsoft and Nintendo has no chance? No, as you' ve said many times.
Same thing goes for Apple VS phones.
Personally I' ve never seen the greatness of Apple' s products. I' d rather have a Windows PC than a Mac and I' d rather have a phone with audio playback than an iPod.

What I am saying is that it' s very likely that they will lose and that it' s looking good for Sony on that front.

Sony are the idiots who shot themselves in the foot by forcing ATRAC on people and refusing for a long time to enable MP3 playback.

Sony f**ked up when created Mini-Disc.

Sony' s best performing audio players were the original Sony Walkmans that used tapes. I have NO faith in Sony whatsoever as far as the portable music business is concerned.

Yes because mobile phones hasn' t had the storage advantage until now.

Any they will never have a storage advantage over dedicated portable media players. There are 60GB+ MP3 players out there already, i don' t expect phones to get that kind of storage space for quite some time and when they do, dedicated portable media players will have jumped ahead again.

Sony has the biggest marketshare of the videogame industry. Does that mean Microsoft and Nintendo has no chance? No, as you' ve said many times. Same thing goes for Apple VS phones.

That would require Apple to make as many mistakes as Sony have been doing.

If PS3 was simply the next-generation of Playstation (a games platform) instead of some incestuous mess, and it was released at the same price PS2 was released, then Nintendo and Microsoft would have had very little chance to take the top spot.

As it is, Sony can' t kurb their arrogance and their lust for more power and money and are likely to be kicked into touch by the bigger guy.

I' m not saying Apple won' t be beaten, i' m saying iPod won' t lose the portable music/multi-media domination they have secured.

Sony are the idiots who shot themselves in the foot by forcing ATRAC on people and refusing for a long time to enable MP3 playback.

Sony f**ked up when created Mini-Disc.

Sony' s best performing audio players were the original Sony Walkmans that used tapes. I have NO faith in Sony whatsoever as far as the portable music business is concerned.

Their Walkman Cd-players were quite successful.
The mini-disc was bad timing. Didn' t they see mp3 was coming?
Don' t let the past get to you. The Walkman phones are doing great and Sony hasn' t done anything bad with them yet. Besides, SonyEricsson is its own company so they make their own decisions even though 50% of the stocks and parts are Sony' s.
And if SonyEricsson doesn' t succeed then some other phone company will.

Any they will never have a storage advantage over dedicated portable media players. There are 60GB+ MP3 players out there already, i don' t expect phones to get that kind of storage space for quite some time and when they do, dedicated portable media players will have jumped ahead again.

Maybe, but then we' ll never need 60 GB storage anyway. Cell phones can use a " new" type of format for audio playback instead of mp3. I don' t remember the name but I' m sure you do. It uses half the size but gives the same quality as mp3. In the future we' ll see more techniques of reducing the file size for both audio and video.
As cell phones haven' t focused on harddrives earlier it is of no surprise that the cell phones haven' t caught up yet. However, they are focusing on it now and if the phone companies are smart they' ll keep doing that. I don' t expect phones to get the same storage as dedicated players but they will definately have enough to compete with them. But it wouldn' t surprice me if phones actually got harddrives the same size as dedicated players as it' s only a matter of what the manufacturers wants to focus on. And since cell phones does so many things I don' t see any reason why iPods and other dedicated mp3 players should exist.

That would require Apple to make as many mistakes as Sony have been doing.

That can happen. Just as Nintendo made some mistakes. Sony aren' t the only fools in the world. Besides, the electronic industry is tough. No one can predict what there will be a demand for in the future.
The iPod will face tough competition as cell phones get more associated with portable music. That' s a fact.
The facts I' ve provided also show that there' s a big risk the cell phones will be more popular than the iPod.
The iPod is " what' s hot" right now. But people nowadays aren' t as loyal to companies as they were before, especially not young people. I' m surprised to see that you believe the iPod to be unbeatable.

Ok and all that' s valid, but we return to the beginning, if rqeuired Apple will simply enter the phone market too, perhaps just simply partnering with an already established company to offer a similar kind of phone to Sony' s Walkman phones.

That' s very possible.
I think Nokia should partner with them since they are the main competitors of SonyEricsson.
But right now the SonyEricsson phones are my favourites and they mostly get top reviews in tech magazines.

Buddy, i think you may have convinced me.

**Runs off to look at cool SonyEricsson phones**

Apple fanboyism right there.

No, that' s a fact - they are Gods of Marketing and Design - ask anyone from MS , Sony or whatever, they won' t deny it(take a close look at X360 for instance).It' s not like a compliment these days - it' s a fact.

...i don' t think apple ever originally intended the ipod to compete directly with walkman... ...ipod was a surprise hit... ...apple had no idea that it would snowball into what it is today...

Yeah and since Walkman pretty much died after that ,there' s no way it could' ve been connected to iPod.At the same time Apple never wanted to make iPod such a hit , they wanted to sell 5 units tops...they must be so disappointed right now
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If they are marketing gods then why aren' t Mac' s crushing PC' s?

Their marketing is mostly focused on iPod right now - but at the same time their computer market share increased lately and is getting bigger.If you don' t play PC games , then Mac' s crush PC' s - Mac is like a console experience in your web browsing and other computer activities - " it just works" and that says it all.

Because of software compatability. Shit, if everything that worked with Windows worked with iMacs, then i' d rather go with Apple as they' re far more reliable and efficient.

I agree if you' re PC gamer , but if you' re talking about editors and other software you clearly don' t know what you' re talking about - most creative work in any industry is done on Mac' s these days (even games for Xbox and Xbox360) , stuff like : TV commercials,music videos,graphics in magazines,soundtracks and so on.

Apple is just as strong in software as it is in hardware.People who buy Mac computers , buy them for their OS and software (cause they can get higher Specs PC for that price only not as elegant ,quiet or optimised)

And MP3 phones have been available for quite some time now, yet none of them stopped iPod' sales from growing so fast ...why? iTunes itself is unbeatable

You probably don' t realise that iTunes is responsible for 85% of purchased music in the US - that means that 15% goes to CD' s and other services.

At the same time , a long time ago there was a phone with good audio capabilities - motorola developed with apple to be compatible with iTunes and it was quite some time ago.

...i don' t think apple ever originally intended the ipod to compete directly with walkman... ...ipod was a surprise hit... ...apple had no idea that it would snowball into what it is today...

Yeah and since Walkman pretty much died after that ,there' s no way it could' ve been connected to iPod.At the same time Apple never wanted to make iPod such a hit , they wanted to sell 5 units tops...they must be so disappointed right now
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...glad to see that i' m not the only one partial to mistaken exaggeration..... ...but then bias does cloud the judgement easily......



.... majik & gin, i think you two should quit squabbling, and wrap your 3cm reading glasses ' round this....


...' ilife' - is that how you dweebs dance when listening to your ipods?...

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I liked that!

I agree if you' re PC gamer , but if you' re talking about editors and other software you clearly don' t know what you' re talking about

Oh sh*t, sorry dude, i forgot i was posting on CGTalk rather than a gaming website...

Yeah because if anyone knows anything about gaming its Apple. If Apple fucking buys Nintendo I' ll kill myself on the same day.

I' m an Athiest and to be honest there isn' t much I believe in, infact I' m just a few steps from being a full blown nihilist. I do however have one simple belief that helps me sleep at night. Which is as follows: there are certain things that are so evil so utterly vile and unthinkably bad that if ever any of these things would happen the Universe itself would be so pissed off it would basically say fuck this, and collapse itself to start over! One such example of such a horrible suck, would be if Apple fucking buys Nintendo. Hence the reason I would kill myself if/when Apple makes such announcement. I don' t want to be around for the end of the world. I' ve seen a lot of shitty situations but nothing compared to that.

I would love a mobile phone that can play mp3s (though admittedly i won' t use it that often) and do pretty much everything. However there is one thing to consider - battery life. Playing mp3s for long periods of time will drain your mobiles batteries like a bitch! especially if is from mini HDD that need to spin. They could use larger batteries but that adds more unnecessary cost, size and weight to the phone. Imagine using your phone as a mp3 player and when you need to make a call your batteries are out of juice! Not cool!

I always see mp3 phones as a novelty feature more then anything else. Convenient? hell yeah, but practical? Until battery life & storage improve by leaps and bounds mp3 phones will not seriously affect ipod (or dedicated mp3 players) IMHO.

My one year old phone can play music for at least 5 hours non-stop and still be used for phone calls after that. That' s pretty good for me.
Newer phones has even longer battery life. Battery life is by the way one of the things that cell phone manufacturers have started focusing more on lately so I think well see great battery life in a not to distant future.
Storage have improved greatly just recently and with the phone manufacturer' s focus on music you can expect file storage to be competitive with dedicated mp3 players.

And MP3 phones have been available for quite some time now, yet none of them stopped iPod' sales from growing so fast ...why? iTunes itself is unbeatable

True but it' s only lately that the cell phone manufacturers have started making marketing campains with focus on music and the prices now are much better. Playback has also been pretty lame but with the Walkman series playing music on your cell phone is like playing music on a mp3 player.

You probably don' t realise that iTunes is responsible for 85% of purchased music in the US - that means that 15% goes to CD' s and other services.

Since lots of people have iPods it is of no surprice. However, phone operators have begun selling music via their services and in the future that might threaten Apple' s dominance.

At the same time , a long time ago there was a phone with good audio capabilities - motorola developed with apple to be compatible with iTunes and it was quite some time ago.

You' re saying " quite some time ago" .
I' m talking about the future.
Right now cell phones are starting to get the same features and services as Apple is providing and that' s why I think that the iPod might get some serious competition. IN THE FUTURE. Not to distant future though.

At first I was very sceptical about cell phones being used as digital cameras or mp3 players and such too, as I thought that they couldn' t do the stuff as good as dedicated devices. And I didn' t see the reason why you' d like everything in a single product.
But now that I' ve actually tried it out I' m very satisfied and can no longer see any need for mp3 players. Amateur photographers don' t need digital cameras either as cell phones now has great cameras. My camera is only 2 megapixel but the pictures, as well as videos, are great.
I suggest you try out a cell phone packed with features and great audio playback. Preferably a SonyEricsson. I think you' ll be very satisfied if you just give it a chance.
You' ll save a conciderable amount of money on it too.

Itunes unbeatable? Not even close. As said, yes 85% of purchased music. Puchased is the key word. Right now I-tunes is having their ass handed to them Peer 2 Peer

And do you really need 60+ gigs of space. I can still keep all my mp3s on about 2 cds.

As far as a Nintendo Apple deal, all i can say is it would be interesting. The future is always unpredictable.

And do you really need 60+ gigs of space. I can still keep all my mp3s on about 2 cds.

Yeah you do!

If you had read what i said properly you would have noted i was talking about multi-media and not only music. If more space wasn' t required then why would companies keep increasing it?!

Sure you probably would never need 60GB for music, but that' s not exactly the point is it!

iTunes unbeatable? Not even close. As said, yes 85% of purchased music. Puchased is the key word. Right now I-tunes is having their ass handed to them Peer 2 Peer

Really? Thare are stats for this or even articles you could point me towards?

Yes P2P has an effect on iTunes, that' s a given, but every day torrent sites have legal action taken against them and every week one is shut down (not an actual statistic).

Piracy will never stop, but you' ll still need something to play your music on and iPod is in a class of it' s own.

I agree that 5 hours is more then enough for me when it comes to listening to music. Honestly i usually listen to the radio as i drive to work and don' t listen to my music collection (because i get sick of listening to my favourites over and over - thats how to ruin a good song). My phone is over 2 years old and has rudimentary mp3 features, plus a crappy camera. Though it has these features i rarely use my phone for those purposes. I am waiting for a PDA phone that takes normal SD cards (Not micro SD so i can get cheap 4gig SD cards so i can use with my digital camera aswell) that is reasonably pocket size and has decent battery life. Then i can truly be happy at having a mp3 phone (& PDA more importantly).

BTW Nokia has come out with a new line of snazzy mp3 phones that look quite stylish & (IMHO) better then sonyericssons walkman phones.

As for cameras on phones i' ll stick to dedicated cameras myself. Though i' m sure there are good quality phones in cameras today they pale in comparison to current digital cameras (for obvious reasons). I' ll use the cameras on phones for emergency purposes (like taking pictures of UFOs etc when i haven' t got my digital camera handy :) but not as my primary means for taking photos.

Apple Nintendo? Hmm thats an interesting proposition - highly unlikely. However if the merger meant that Nintendo made Wii HD now(ie use Apple for cash reserve, use high end components, sell console at a loss like sony & microsoft) then that would make Wii HD unstoppable!! Sign me up!! (i know its a pipe dream and way to late to actually happen - sigh!@)

Well I got a new Sony Ericson mobile and it looks prety good. Although I was perfectly content with the last one, I switched my contract and I' m not going to pass up a freebie!

I might add that they' re no way it' ll replace my 30GB MP3 player, as I have over 600 CD' s that I' m ripping my way through on to it, and I just listen to that on shuffle all the time. I love it!!!

I ahve 20+ GB worth of music on my PC, a 4GB iPod Nano, a 60GB iPod Video, 5 2GB SD-Cards for my PSP' s and i still don' t have enough space for everything i want to carry about.

Most of the 60GB on my iPod Video is used for erm, ...video and i never keep music on my PSP' s because the sound quality is terrible.

My 4GB Nano and maybe 5GB on the Video just isn' t enough for all my music. I need more space!

Theres always that 4GB Nokia N91 that they' re selling... if you' re interested that
is... It' s a phone with 4GB of data... You should add it to your collection Majik..

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My brother has the N91. It' s great. The audio playback is handled separately from the rest of the phone. Very nice looking phone too.
Here' s more about Nokia' s Nseries:
http://www.nokia.com/nseries/

My brother has the N91. It' s great. The audio playback is handled separately from the rest of the phone.

Oh, it' s always " my brother has this, my brother has that..." Where' s the link to
prove this? lol..

Just joking, the Nseries are pretty big, which is the only downside, also the N91
should be 3G compatible aswell... Or is it? 0_o

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1. Never tell all you know.

Older phones doesn' t have separate audio playback buttons so I just wanted to mention that they do now.
The N91 is a 3G phone but it lacks a front camera as most 3G phones have. Probably because Nokia doesn' t have any faith in video conversations.
Here' s a nice looking SonyEricsson W850i:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp1_loader&php=php1_10447&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10447

Here' s a big list of SonyEricsson phones:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp1&zone=pp&lm=pp

The W900i looks kind of iPod-ish.
http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp1_loader&php=php1_10333&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10333

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I ahve 20+ GB worth of music on my PC,

Of course you' ve paid for all of that Majik - or are they " backups?" .

I don' t have a PC and bought my MP3 player thinking I could move the albums I' ve ripped to the 360' s HD on to my MP3 player.

WRONG!!!!

Now I need to carry CD' s back to my parent' s house and use their PC to rip my collection. A total pain in the arse. Anyone know of update plans to get this sorted or are MS avoiding this issue (which i suspect they will, seeing as they seem to be the new Protectors of Propriety!)