Is that at me dionysius?

When one side is forced by the other to cease fighting.

what is your definition of how you “win a war?

Nobody wins, only the bloody poltical leaders get the oil they want. And soliders die.

Is that at me dionysius?

Its to everyone, and its just that I' m curios of what people think decides the winning nation in events of war. Alle is fair in Love and War, right? Then if there aren' t rules in war, how do you win? People tend to call Vietnam a draw, so...

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Nobody wins, only the bloody poltical leaders get the oil they want. And soliders die.

I was hoping somebody would say that.

USA never saved the day in ww2,sure they contributed to the fall of the japanese empire,and to quicker end the german occupation,but look at what happend,germany lose their airforce against england,they then invade russia with theor whole army,which was is left fall back,then USA suddenly after pearl harbor decied to help out,and invade germany from the left while the german army is basically destroyed.

What was left of the german army was old people and young SS,sure there was some hardend verteans there also.

But people who think usa won over gemany needs to read his history book,it was clearly russia whjo beat their army.

See. Only Americans and the ill educated think that the U.S were Europes saviours, and that' s exactly how it' s portrayed in movies which makes me sick.

What the U.S did was place their Navy in a very vulnerable position and threaten the Japanese. That caused the Japanese to attack the U.S at Pearl Harbour, an attack that it' s been proven the U.S knew about before it happened, just so they had a way into the war.

America' s aim was simple; establish itself as the first nuclear power. They did it by using German scientists to create the atom bomb which they then dropped on 2 Japanese cities, killing an unimaginable amount of civilians.

Before America got involved in the war (at the end when the Germans were utterly beaten) there were businesses on Wall Street that were supplying timber and steel to the Nazi' s. Not weapons, just the materials needed to construct them! That' s fucking unforgivable.

The 2nd World War also established Americas as the largest supplier of arms on the planet, and that hasn' t changed yet.

ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on

I hope you' re joking...

I didn' t live back then so I don' t know. All I know about WW2 comes from documentaries and the stuff I learned at school.

Wow, you guys are fucking idiots and know nothing about history, especially WWII.

Oh, and here come the Americans themselves...

Wow, you guys are fucking idiots and know nothing about history, especially WWII.

Hehehehehe...

HOWDY PARTNER!

Okay,so where was the main 3 million strong germany army when usa came?
Destroyed from the east by russia?
How could russia press on from just miles from moskva to berlin,when the german army was there?


Loco go back to your books,ever heard of stalingrad?

Germany invades Poland - September 1, 1939

Germany' s blitzkrieg takes western Europe - March-June 1940

Battle of Britain - Fall 1940

Lend-Lease plan - November 1940 (U.S lends military equipment to cash-strapped Britain as they don' t wish to be directly involved)

Germany invades Russia - June 1941

Japan attacks Pearl Harbor - December 7, 1941

FDR asks for war on Japan - December 8, 1941 (specifically Japan, not Italy & Germany)

Battle of Coral Sea - May 1942 (U.S. planes halt Japanese advance on Australia)

British and Australian troops attack Germans in North Africa - November 1942 (Germany retreats to Tunisia, where they are surrounded by British forces)

Guadalcanal - February 1943 (Americans begin to take the Solomon Islands, this is the first real American land based offensive of the war 4 years after it started and 2 before it ended)

Germans surrender at Stalingrad - February 1943

Germans surrender at Tunisia - May 1943

Italy surrenders - September 1943

D-Day Invasion - June 6 1944 (American presence)

Battle of the Bulge - December 1944 (American Presence)

Tokyo Bombing Raids - March 1945 (American bombers destroy 250,000 buildings and kill 83,000 in massive fire-bombing)

Russians take Berlin - April 1945

V-E Day - May 7, 1945 (German government issues unconditional surrender to Allied forces)

Okinawa - April to June 1945 (Japanese inflict 80,000 losses on Americans. Over 30 American ships are sunk)

Gen. MacArthur retakes Philippines - July 1945

Hiroshima - August 6, 1945 (180,000 killed, wounded, or missing after atomic bomb is dropped)

Nagasaki - August 9, 1945 (Second bomb is dropped after Japanese delay surrender. 80,000 killed or missing)

V-J Day - September 2, 1945 (Japan surrenders with one term: the emperor must retain his throne)



In 1994, documents proving that America had not only known about the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbour but had virtually invited it were declassified.

America WANTED war with Japan and Japan alone. They tried their best to stay out of the fight on the European front and didn' t want to directly fight the German forces since Wall Street had been suppying timber and steel to the German army. Instead, America supplied Britain with arms in a deal that would allow a U.S presence in British controlled waters in the Atlantic.

I don' t know what' s taught in America, but anything seen in movies is full of shit. We owe the U.S nothing. They however owe the rest of the world more than they could possibly repay.

Majik, be honest. How long did it take for you to check the web to make that list?

Not as long as you might think. Just for the dates mostly. We' re taught WWII extensively at school here so most Europeans have a good grasp of the bigger events.

Quez is still waiting for Russia to applogise for invading Poland, but then, in 1665 Sweden invaded Poland...

Yeah, I to tend to have problem with remembering the dates (not only for historical events). By the way, did you know that in World War One, Japan supported England, together with America and others... Funny (tragic) how things turn out, huh!

Quez is still waiting for Russia to applogise for invading Poland, but then, in 1665 Sweden invaded Poland

About that, on the behalf of all of Sweden, I apologize. I' m really sorry, we will not do it again.

And Finland majik,dont forget that.

oh crap,we took finland and had it for over 700 years...well nvm...

Hell we took a big part of sweden and norway, and we are the only country to succesfully invade Engand!

I learned all my WW2 histroy from war games such as Medal of Honor, Call of Duty and Brothers In Arms.

Your all wrong, apparently one man won the entire war. 3 times.

Chemical,you was nothing in the 1600-1800 and Sweden is the first of three countries to ever invaded russia itself.
Btw at that time we owned Sweden-finland parts of germany,and the baltikum and parts of norway.

You bash other countries for wars and brag about yours.