It' s true, no pre-owned for ps3.

I heard this awhile back, and sony then came out to dismiss it, but now it' s confirmed.

Wednesday 24 May 2006
High street games shops have been told by Sony that there will be no PS3 pre-owned sections in their stores as it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they' ve bought, retail sources have revealed to GamesRadar.

Read here.. http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060524153157765035§ionId=1006

ORIGINAL: whiteguysamurai

it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they' ve bought, retail sources have revealed to GamesRadar.

Really....so you can' t sell your games that you' re bored of....it just seems to me like when you get the ps3 you' re entering into an un-rewardable contract....stick with us F O R E V E R. Seriously I don' t see how much of a difference it can make
so in effect the games are going to be treated like a loan from sony that they will only take action on when you infringe on that loan by selling ' ' their property' ' ..I kinda feel for people who won' t be able to afford it, to me it sort of makes shopping for games that more serious...but then again if you get a ps3 you can' t be short of money so.

...inexcusable.... ...but typical corporate profit increasing bulls*it....

....then again.... ...older games usually get officially re-released as part of a lower price ' platinum/classics' sort of deal anyway....

...so perhaps the only real looser in this is the high street store, who when you think about it, does deserve the short end of the stick.. (considering the ludicrously low pittance that gamers get when selling their used games and consoles back)...

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...inexcusable.... ...but typical corporate profit increasing bulls*it....

....then again.... ...older games usually get officially re-released as part of a lower price ' platinum/classics' sort of deal anyway....

...so perhaps the only real looser in this is the high street store, who when you think about it, does deserve the short end of the stick.. (considering the ludicrously low pittance that gamers get when selling their used games and consoles back)...

I don' t expect it to be true to be honest. As much as sony has lost recently and need to up their profits putting that license would only be another road block (imo), also if you did that it wouldn' t force people to buy games in effect what you would be doing is limiting your audience pool, seeing as most of the times if I buy used game it' s just to try it out to see if i' d like it that' s why I think they won' t do that (least I hope not).

If they implement something like this, I will NOT buy one, guaranteed! It' s bad enough when you get something online, and you don' t own it, but to buy an actual PHYSICAL disc, and to not be able to do what you want with it?! That' s just INSANE.

If they are allowed to get away with this, could you imagine the corporate bullshit we' d get from the MPAA and RIAA (if you' re in the U.S. that is)?! They' d start doing ALL media like that! I was considering waiting for a PS3, but if they go through with this, FUCK ' EM!! I will NEVER buy one!

With everything that Sony' s been doing/saying lately, it' s like they WANT to lose. This will piss off mega-retailers like Electronics Boutique.

Doesn' t this also mean games cannot be rented, borrowed, or even taken over to a friend' s house? I remember reading something about that.

Here Sony, I' ll hand you a shovel, you just keep digging that grave right there..

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

*laffo* They' re certainly giving us plenty of reasons to not get a PS3.

I know that even developers dislike the used game trade, since obviously a lot of people tend to buy used for less rather than fork out 50 quid for a new disc, which means they not only lose a potential buyer each time, they don' t see any of the money from that used game sale.

But even so, the idea of not owning (and being able to do whatever you want with) your PS3 games is rediculous. I certainly can' t afford £60 for a game if I can' t sell it again for ~£30 after I' ve done with it. If they were sold at an acceptable price in the first it wouldn' t really be an issue....but £60!

If they go through with this, there' ll be a lot of ' returns within 30 days' ....or not very many PS3 customers in the first place. [:' (]

There was talk of this a while back but I' m sure Sony actually dismissed it in the end. If this turns out to be true it would really be the game worlds most foolish move. It can' t be true, really.

Actually, it' s not confirmed. That' s just clever journalism hiding up the facts. The only person that this piece of weirdness was confirmed by was a Mr. Matt Cundy (or whatever his name was). We are only going on his honor that game stores have recieved that announcement. No one else is cited that has real information. I see these things, i' m taking a writing course. I mean, for all i know, it could be true, but untill that time, i can quietly hope that sony doesn' t have a glock up against their temple like they will if this comes to pass.

I haven' t gone to read the article, but from the quote posted, Sony can' t do this as it' s illegal. They can make it so that once a game is played on one player, it no longer plays on any other player, but they cannot stop me from selling MY property. It' s mine. I paid for it. I can wipe my ass with it, or sell it if I want, it really doesn' t matter, as I' ve paid Sony their money already. Unless Sony come up with some bullshit that you aren' t buying the game, only a license to play the game, and then as part of the license they provide you with the game, and if that' s the case RIP sony.

edit - Ok, I swear I didn' t read that article and then just post what they said to appear in the know or anything. God this is an idiot idea. What' s next, buying veggies at the grocery store, but having to mail back your shit when you' re done with them?

No, it' s perfectly legal, as you can not resell your used copy of windows XP.

If this was to happen, there might be some sort of EULA you might have to agree with when you play the game for the first time.

Take it will a grain of salt, but this is not the first time i' ve heard this about the next gen playstation, and i doubt it' s some consortium between Microsoft and Nintendo.

Would buying just the licenses mean the price would be lower? Thats really the only positive I can bring out of this idea.

No, it' s perfectly legal, as you can not resell your used copy of windows XP.

You certainly can. You just can' t sell the license to use it. The whole issue there was because one user could install windows, use the license, and since the disc is no longer required, sell it, and someone else install it. since the games for the PS3 are most definetly going to require the disc, this isn' t the case.

But I remember phantasy star online on the dream cast had a player unique number or something and when I got it used it didn' t work because it was registered on another console (or something like it), anyway that aside if they are worried about used games hindering the sales of the new ones I think and approach like having demo' s on their online service available coupled with making the games worth buying it new would do it, but taking away options is never good.

Yea, I remember winning a copy of Matrix Online once. I used the serial number to register and create a character before realising that I couldn' t connect to any of the game severs because of my crappy uni internet connection' s firewall!

So then when I tried to sell it, the shop tells me they don' t take MMO games that have had their serial number used, and I realised that that made sense, heh. I was a little miffed. [:' (] Still I did win it, and I heard the game was a bit rubbish anyway, so I ended up just throwing the disc away!

So yea, the point is you can' t sell MMOGs after using them either (which along with the monthly fee is why I never buy them!). But at least you can level up your character and sell the character+disc on ebay. Plus they aren' t £60!

To be seriously off topic, I lost sooo many months of my life to MXO! It might not be the best MMORPG but I' m a huge Matrix fan and loved it. Continue as normal please...

...Anyone heard this story elsware? Games Radar are a fairly big UK game site so anything they say I take note of...

I was looking but nothing so far.

Sony DID patent technology that would make a disc unreadable on any machine other than the one it was first run in.

It would be suicide and i dont think Sony are THAT stupid!

They did say it wasn' t a games macine though.

Let' s all count the bad press before the ps3 launches...

But you know, bad press is good for them, because it keeps us from forgetting it' s showing up at all.
And really, there are so many reasons to forget.

It can' t be true, but i' ll stand by what i said before...

...PS3 = Saturn

Games Radar is almost all rumor and no real news. They always have misleading headlines and portray every rumor as a fact. anways...

What' s next, buying veggies at the grocery store, but having to mail back your shit when you' re done with them?

QFT

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

My point is that if Sony is allowed to get away with this, it would be a harbinger of doom for consumers! If they succeed, don' t you think the music and motion picture associations would pull the same shit! Of course they would!

I will start the most massive boycott of Sony EVER! If this is true, it could affect the way media is distributed to the consumer, forever!

Next-gen.biz have caught wind of the story and seem to be skeptical too.

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3086&Itemid=2

The games industry may not like the used games trade but they have to accept that it' s there for a reason. Because games aren' t worth £50-60. Used PC games aren' t nearly as popular since they' re usually £20-30 to start with, and neither is the used DVD market.

So instead of just trying to stamp on them with tech that prevents re-use on another system, why not find ways of making games cheaper by not paying billions to make consoles and discs and millions to make a single game?

demand

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

PS3 = Saturn

BUT..... PS3 doesnt have:

NiGHTS
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Clockwork Knight
SONIC JAM!!!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Oh, and a good pad!

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

there' s a comment of Sony Europe executive that says it' s bullshit - I think I saw it on Eurogamer or gamesindustry.biz.

I believe :" It would be suicide and i dont think Sony are THAT stupid!" is true , but there are a lot of publishers who love that idea - it' s the retailers that could get hurt in the process.

I don' t believe they' ll go down that route but I think if they are infact thinking of the used games market as an issue I think they might take a similar approach like sony bmg did with the rootkit thing, but like someone said they might make it so that when the game is loaded on the first time it' s attatched to that system.

If this is true [which I HIGHLY doubt] You think hackers will take this lying down?

Hackers are our friends, they are freedom fighters but history will never remember them for Liberating a game.



They are not your friends however when they hack into your computer, steal your credit card details, order 10,000 copies of Fifa srteet and piss in your coffee. I dont know how they programed my computer to do that.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

It' s not true... yet.

It might be in the future - retailers certainly want it to happen, probably Sony too (remember the whole Atrac3 debacle on their " mp3" players? You' d think they' d have learnt their lesson by now) - but Sony' d be shooting itself in the foot if they did summat like that, and end up cutting out part of their market.

It angers me that the whole concept simply lumps those who choose to buy games second-hand in with those who pirate software, and that is not cool.

probably the cost that is 60$ take into consideration the second hand market, this price includes the sell lost, it publishers are sure there is no second hand market , it surely means that more consumers are obliged to buy a game " new" , may be a raise of 50% in quantity sold, this will allow them to reduce the price, and may be will see games cost only 40$.

this is just my theory, if they do that and they don' t lower games price to 40$; i would hate sony to death !

like someone said they might make it so that when the game is loaded on the first time it' s attatched to that system.

The only problem I can really see with this idea, besides the obvious is, now lets say you buy 30 games for your ps3. Your PS3 dies and you need a replacement from sony or buy a new one a few years down the line. Perhaps a PSThree, all of your collection would be rendered useless - unless you had to call sony and get a code to enter. But then who would want to sit there entering user codes/licence to play a console game?!

I don' t like to buy used games, or really to sell them, but the idea stinks and I think sony mustn' t do this... they are on a one way track to destruction and there aren' t many turn-offs left before it' s too late...

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

probably the cost that is 60$ take into consideration the second hand market, this price includes the sell lost, it publishers are sure there is no second hand market , it surely means that more consumers are obliged to buy a game " new" , may be a raise of 50% in quantity sold, this will allow them to reduce the price, and may be will see games cost only 40$.

this is just my theory, if they do that and they don' t lower games price to 40$; i would hate sony to death !

I don' t care of they lower the price to zero. I live in a free country and I have a fucking right to do what I want with the stuff I buy.
They loose money on the second hand market but every other kind of industry has that issue. I think it' s sick to actually charge extra for that kind of thing. If I want to sell a product when I' m done with it then it' s my bussiness and I shouldn' t have to pay extra to the developers for that. If so then I should' ve been given the product at the same price the store bought it for since I have to go trhough all the work of finding potential buyers and using my time to make the deal.
I don' t know if other industries work that way but that' d be so wrong. Do publishers charge extra for books and comic books because there' s a second hand market? Furniture? Electronics? Clothes? Cars? If other industries work that way then we live in a twisted world.

no they don' t charge for that but managers analyse stuff like that to determine the price.
i' ll give you an exemple:

suppose that an AA will sell in normal circustances 1 millions copies, just en exemple, please don' t point ou numbers and say that it should sell more that' s not the point ginijirou :)

ok 1 million copies, let' s consider that a good part of these copies will be sold in the seecond hand market, say 400.000 of these, of those 400.000 , another quantity will be sold say 300.000 and so forth.

now look , 1 million copies sold and more than 3 million household played those " same" copies.

now, you shouldn' t say that developers would sell 3 million copies if there was no second market, but it would definitly sell a lot more than 1 million copies, making it 2 million copies.

since managers and analysts would defintly know that, they could lower their margin of profit because they will sell a much greater quanity " for sure" , therefore " the standard" price that is 60$ should be much lower not even to attract the 2 millions that would buy the game whatever the price (if they have no choice) but also the remaining one million that would buy the game only if it' s cheap, herefore all he money would go to developer and everyone is " almost" happy. it still sucks not being able to sell your games, sometimes you need money for other stuff , and owning a game will be like you have no physical value, a fucking choclate bar.

i hope you understood my point.

Yeah, I did, I understand that developers want to get as many copies as possible sold and that they want as much of the profits as possible. But the whole thing just stinks.

i would not be " very" angry if they don' t put the price lower than 40 or 35$, hell they should do that!

I just thought of another situation where we can' t sell the games we buy (on top of MMOs with used characters) - games bought via digital distribution.

I' m all for digital distribution cos it allows devs to get their money directly, bypassing retail, publishers etc, and the lack of ' shelf space' (read: infinite shelf space), means any developer big or small is in the game. And because of this, games are cheaper too.

I' ve bought a few games via this method, through Steam, directly from developer websites etc. Just bought HL2:Episode 1 for about £10! And there are more avenues for this eg Direct2Drive, Gametap etc.

But this is another situation where you can' t sell the game you' ve bought, because it doesn' t exist physically on a nice shiny, official looking disc. And more and more games companies are looking to this method in the future to cut out the used games trade eg EA with it' s EA Downloader (who still charge retail prices despite the savings they make!).

Again the only difference is that the games don' t cost £60 in the first place, so the predicament is easier to swallow (or even ignore).

I don' t think Sony will do this pre-owned banning thing, but I' m just saying that it' s probably coming one way or another.

Once you' ve bought the game via that service you use, can you download it again for free in case your PC gets broken or if you happen to uninstall it? If so then it sounds pretty good.

probably man probably, sorry it' s obvious, steam is an account , they know what game you bought, they won' t charge you everytime you Format your computer.

Depends on the distributor. Most of them use a license system. So I think with Steam, once you activate the files once, you can download them to another computer via the same account and use the same license you' ve already bought. But you can' t use two copies/instances of that account at the same time.

So yea, usually you can dl the files for free, and you just pay for a license code, sometimes that you can only use a limited number of times. If you' re screwed after that number of uses you can usually ring up support for free and explain to get a new one.

Thing is I' ve never had any problems so I' ve only ever had to download once, and a price like £10-20 is easy to get over anyway if you did have any hassle.