PS3 to launch without games?

Ok, that' s a slight exaggeration, but...

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe CEO David Reeves has revealed several key PS3 launch titles including Heavenly Sword, Formula One and Motostorm, will miss the November 17 launch day on PS3 and now appear in 2007.

However, Reeves also revealed that the company plans to cast a wide net during the initial PS3 launch window, saying that " for the first time we are not going to go just for hardcore gamers" .

Speaking exclusively to CVG at E3, Reeves explained that Sony is " going to have a portfolio of social gaming" for the launch window, Singstar and EyeToy an integral part of this battleplan. It' s not clear whether Singstar on PS3 will be out on launch day, but it' ll hit " certainly before Christmas" , said Reeves, with " an EyeToy one [game] after Christmas" . He added: " EyeToy is not playable at the moment, but it will come before March 2007."

Precisely which PS3 titles will actually be available on launch day remains a mystery however, although Reeves told us that Insomniac' s Resistance: Fall of Man " will certainly be a launch title" . Worryingly, he said that Heavenly Sword, one of the PS3 titles at E3 that actually impressed people, won' t hit until " after Christmas" , as will the new Formula One game plus off-road racer Motorstorm.

Sony Computer Entertainment CEO Kazuo Hirai has assured gamers that Sony expects as many as 15 games to launch with the PS3. So, er, going by the social gaming aspect, that' s Resistance: Fall of Man and 14 versions of head-to-head Carol Vorderman' s Sudoku then.

Anyway. Despite Sony' s pledge to reach a broad audience with PS3 during its launch window, Reeves admitted that appealing direct to the hardcore games playing fraternity will quickly become vital for the company in the next-gen console war.

" Without being too arrogant about it, I don' t think we worry too much about building up the hype in the first six months, but where the rubber hits the road is going to be when all those hardcore gamers have bought PS3" , said Reeves. " They have also bought Xbox 360 and they have probably bought Nintendo Wii as well."

However, Reeves maintained that shifting PS3s in the early days won' t be a problem, such is the strength of the PlayStation brand: " We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn' t have games."

Heavenly Sword going to miss launch so i' m not buying a launch unit, it' s that simple.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Forgot to post the link...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=140302

I read this too a short time back. I was really pulling away from the idea of a launch unit and when i read that i was more convinced.
However come TGS it should be somewhat clearer as to what is coming with the system, and in general more of the game that we can be expecting to play on the systems, should we decide to purchase one.

I think it is better to delay it than to rush it, and like he says for the first couple months they system will fly out of shops regardless of the crap on it. So I don' t think it' ll hurt them much, if at all.

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

It' s supposed to launch in November, so March is 4 1/2 months away. If the titles that are closest to being finished are being delayed until after Christmas and they' re putting emphasis on stuff like Singstar (ew!) and even delaying EyeToy -- how do they expect to sell 5 million machines (they had previously said 10 million by March 2007) ??? Especially when they' re charging so much.

I would have bought a launch unit, if only for Heavenly Sword, but now i' m not going to bother. There are a shitloads of heavy hitting 360 titles being released in the 6 months between September and March, and then Halo.

So Sony' s first wave of proper games, the ones we' ve heard so much about will be launched in the same month as Halo 3?!

nobody knows what games are on for launch, so dont say you wont get it because one may be missing, its only one game!

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

There' s no " may" about it, he' s saying it won' t " hit until after Christmas" and it is the only game that i' m currently interested in.

Should DMC4 make launch then i' ll reconsider but things obviously are far from being on schedule and i don' t fancy playing Singstar all Christmas -- i don' t fancy playing Singstar at all.

Im sure there will be at least one good game for launch of the 15... what about lair? that might make it, right? And i have high hopes for that game....

I don' t care if motorstorm never comes out though, it doesn' t look as fun as they were hinting at during e3 2005.

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

Sure Lair could make it, but it wasn' t at E3 was it?!

I don' t get Sony or why they keep making stupid comments. I mean...

,,,Sony is " going to have a portfolio of social gaming" for the launch window, Singstar and EyeToy an integral part of this battleplan.

...Sony expects as many as 15 games to launch with the PS3

So how many is " a portfolio" then?! Because with the EyeToy game and the Singstar thingy, that would leave 13. If there are more of those types of game as his quote suggests there will be, then on day one, how many REAL games will there be?!

There will obviously be the usual retarded sports titles, and almost certainly Ridge Racer 7, so there won' t be an awful lot of GOOD games to buy with the system.

Advanced Warfighter could make launch, but i already have that on 360, and GR4 is expected in March 2007. Fight Night Round 3 could make launch, but again, i' ve already got it.

I wouldn' t buy a PS3 just for Warhawk and wouldn' t buy a PS3 just for Lair. The only game that has really impressed me is Heavenly Sword and i would buy the PS3 with that title and then probably pick up one or two others just to solidify my purchase.

Games that will be shown at TGS weren' t ready to be shown at E3 so they' re unlikely to be launch titles.

True, Lair just had another trailer at e3. Probably be a lot of sport games and mass consumer games.

Now i' m not trying to push on the idea of a launch system, i believe it' s not worth it right now. But at tgs what i was saying is more like sony could show their launch titles, possibly more of their inhouse games. Lair will show something there, it has too. But still I wonder how long sony will take to lower ps3 price, it' s a pitty people are such sheep. If not it would force sony' s hand.

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

the only way for sony to break down the price of ps3.........................
is the other systems to sell like hell........
so buy as many 360s and wiis you can guys.
in a couple of months sony will give us ps3 with a shampoo or something as a gift
in super markets

The PS3 launches with hundreds of games! All the good old PS1 and PS2 classics .

You sound like ken. Please tell me about how wonderfull the ps3 is.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

The PS3 has the worlds most advanced technology created for entertainment and this includes the unmatched Cell processor as well as the incredible RSX. Those two combined creates graphics that' ll make Shrek look like joke and the 360 like a kindergarten scrapbook! With 120 fps and 1020 resolution the PS3 games will look better than reality.
In addition we have the added next-generation DVD-drive, the Blu-ray, which gives developers more space than ever before, allowing them to create games limited only by their imagination.
The PSP will connect with the PS3 and they will share game and media information as well as connect to the Internet at high speed.
The PS3 will have a fantastic controller based on the previous success Dual Shock 2 but Sony have removed the very annoying rumble feature that crappy Nintendo created and instead they added a innovative and unique sensing device that allows games to revolutionize the way we play. This is a controller Sony have been working on since 1994! It is also wireless and has a unique Home button as well as other tweaks to make it the perfect controller.
Apart from the hundreds of classic must-have titles from the PS1 and the PS2 Sony will also provide instant classics developed exclusively for the PS3. Those games are secret though as you' ll get a heart-attack if they tell you all the amazing titles.
All this will be available this year for the small cost of $18.75 (per month for three years). This is a very cheap price concidering the unmatched technology which will remain superior for at least a decade.
This has only been a short comment on what to expect from the PS3. I cannot reveal all the incredible things the PS3 will bring as you will most likely kill yourself for not having it now.

Ahum...
FF13 might come 2008 perhaps...
Then xbox360 already have Blue dragon,Ob,Lost odyssey and mass effect.

Ps3 better deliver some rpgs,been a dead front about dev wanting to make rpg for ps3.

If im wrong feel free to correct me and show me cause i love rpg' s O_O

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

360 could be getting a FF13 spin off yet.

Yepp,and also i hold my thumbs Tri-ace deliver with their RPG.
I loved star-ocean and valkyrie profile on my PS1 and ps2.
Great rpg series!!!

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I' m an uber playstation fan and I' m not buying a console at launch, why? Because within few months the price will drop like rain of steel.

ORIGINAL: Cetra
Because within few months the price will drop like rain of steel.

Not a chance in hell. It' ll be at LEAST 12 months before they can AFFORD to drop the price, and even the it wouldn' t be as much as people would like.

Before they can even consider a price drop they need to drive their manufaturing costs down and start making money from Blu-Ray.

@ ginjirou : LMAO

It' ll be at LEAST 12 months before they can AFFORD to drop the price, and even the it wouldn' t be as much as people would like.

Very true, but i' d say it depends on the consumer reaction to the price:

- Yahoo! Japan recented surveyed 20,000 users for their opinions on the PS3 retail price:

* 8% (1548 votes) - I will buy the console on the launch day even if the price is high
* 19% (3725 votes) - Undecided due to the high price
* 25% (4814 votes) - I will buy when the price is reduced
* 26% (5171 votes) - Plan to buy when price is reduced
* 24% (4742 votes) - Presently have no interest to buy

I just sony really have a lot of convincing to do. Also there was this about games from sega to all formats. With thanks to Magicbox.

- Sega Sammy announced its game release plans worldwide for the fiscal year of 2006, which ends on March 31, 2007:

* PSP - 29 titles
* PS2 - 28 titles
* PS3 - 17 titles
* NDS - 17 titles
* Xbox 360 - 14 titles
* Wii - 7 titles
* GC - 2 titles
* GBA - 2 titles
* Xbox - 1 title

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

Remember no price has been set for PREMIUM yet.
Only core... :S
In japan i mean.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Remember no price has been set for PREMIUM yet.
Only core... :S
In japan i mean.

Your completely right. So assuming they are responding to the core price, sony are really in serious trouble.
Either that or they are responding to whats been shown price wise for the rest of the world, but this is a more unlikely option.

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

Most wanted list for famitsu is looking good for sony still.
Ofc its funny how they says RE5/biohazard is a ps3 title,when its also a 360,ofc famitsu has never sauid that in their magazine...why?
SOny bias magazine.



1. (3 / 2) Final Fantasy III NDS Square Enix 1.765
2. (4 / 5) Persona 3 PS2 Atlus 1.542
3. (2 / 4) Kimi Kiss PS2 Enterbrain 1.431
4. (1 / 1) Biohazard 5 PS3 Capcom 1.352
5. (5 / 3) Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 Konami 1.150
6. (6 / 6) Valkyrie Profile 2 - Silmeria PS2 Square Enix 1.076
7. (8 /10) Blue Dragon Xbox 360 Microsoft 758
8. (7 / 7) Seiken Densetsu 4 PS2 Square Enix 747
9. (9 / 8) New Super Mario Bros. NDS Nintendo 737
10. (11/11) Xenosaga Episode III PS2 Namco 631
11. (10/ 9) The Legend of Zelda GC Nintendo 610
12. (15/16) Gyakuten Saiban 4 NDS Capcom 419
13. (*NEU*) Super Robot Taisen: Original Generations PS2 Banpresto
14. (16/15) Sengoku Basara 2 PS2 Capcom 318
15. (20/23) Tsuyo Kiss: Mighty Heart PS2 Princess Soft 304
16. (17/17) Summon Night 4 PS2 Banpresto 297
17. (18/19) Shining Wind PS2 Sega 286
18. (12/22) Utaware Rumono PS2 Aquaplus 283
19. (14/14) Pokemon Diamond & Pearl NDS Nintendo 276
20. (13/13) Tales of the Tempest NDS Namco 239



Remember how some speculations was before e3 with a " Tales of" coming to 360?

Tales of Wahrheit

That name was not reserved by namco.
Probably a sony game in some way or nintendo,but i hope its for 360.
Now before someone write why 360?
Cause i have a 360 and its the only next gen out so far.
Want to see how ToS looks in next gen.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Then xbox360 already have Blue dragon,Ob,Lost odyssey and mass effect.

already?

all those games are as playable as FF13 for now (except Oblivion)

:)

It' s funny how they give you a box without (most promising) games for 600 and they wanna hear " oh thank you master"

I hope they will get their asses kicked at least a bit - this kind of shit should not go on.

The diffrence is,dev played BD,and mass effect infront of people.
ANd both is stated to come this winter.
FF12 is coming this winter,and heck FF12 was supposed to come 2004.
So dont get youyr hopes on ff13 untill 2008.for USA/EU atleast.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Not a chance in hell. It' ll be at LEAST 12 months before they can AFFORD to drop the price, and even the it wouldn' t be as much as people would like.

Looks like you dont know how the market works. Maybe we live in different worlds, but stores are competitors to one another.

They will begin pressing the price down so people will come buy a ps3 at their stores. And by buying big packages of PS3' s from Sony or the people they buy them from, they are able to give small discounts on the machines.
Other stores will counter by doing the same, and buy bigger and bigger ammounts of the machine to offer slight better discounts, and this way the PS3 price will drop evenly from the launch. Cause the launch is only like an explosion, the people who will stop for nothing will get it, but after that boom, it only goes one way.

Looks like you dont know how the market works

Me? You can' t be serious.

There' s not even the smallest possibility that they' ll lower the price within 12 months.

To begin with and for the first few months, stores will do what they always do and sell only their store bundles that actually cost more than the RRP because they come packeged with select games.

Sure the price will eventually be lowered but not until after Sony lower production costs and start to make money again.

Haven' t you realised that nobody here agrees with anything you' re saying?! You should just listen to some of the guys here, you could learn a lot.

I agree with majik,sony never wanted that price tag,they do it because they " HAVE TOO" no company would put a 600 $ price tag on their console for USA,and then 58.000 yen for japan who thinks 30 k+ above is to much for a console.
Or 750-800 $ dollar for europe.

Nah they are forced thanks to blu-ray.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Nice discussion going here...

And yeah, Cetra, store' s can only affect their own prices and their competitiors locally; and even then in the general neighbourhood area. But SONY itself controls the initial purchase price of the console when it supplies to the stores themselves.

I' m speaking generally here. Going through the mass webbed pyramid of how a product gets from a company to a local store would KILL me.

If the ' stores' you' re talking about want to be idiots and lose precious amounts of money (considering the profit margin is prolly VERY small, since the cost of the console itself would be through the roof with Sony not wanting to make too much of a loss), well lucky you, you' re in a neighbourhood of business morons.

Also, to continue the thing about Sony' s need to price high, they just want to fight Microsoft on another front with this format war. Backed by greedy movie companies eager to milk more money from the masses, they get big on themselves before realising how much bloody money they' re going to lose because of them pushing this thing alone!

As of now, this is the only one other thing with Blu-Ray Sony' s releasing, the new Viaos laptop and PC packages: http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=2884

Also, from the same site, this quote:

Sony is, unfortunately a victim of its own success. The original PlayStation was such a massive hit that the PS2 had a tough time living up to that legacy at first, and back then it only had the Sega Dreamcast to compete against. This time around the PS3 will be competing with the Xbox 360, which will be running second generation games by November, while also battling the Nintendo Wii with its innovative control system and far lower price point.

Ultimately though, I’ve no doubt that the PlayStation 3 will be a huge success because there is such a massive loyal PlayStation fan base out there – these people are probably outright refusing to buy an X360 and waiting patiently for the PS3 to hit the streets. Even with such a high price point you can expect to see a buying frenzy in November, even if there aren’t too many great games at launch.

Looks like you dont know how the market works. Maybe we live in different worlds, but stores are competitors to one another.

They will begin pressing the price down so people will come buy a ps3 at their stores. And by buying big packages of PS3' s from Sony or the people they buy them from, they are able to give small discounts on the machines.
Other stores will counter by doing the same, and buy bigger and bigger ammounts of the machine to offer slight better discounts, and this way the PS3 price will drop evenly from the launch. Cause the launch is only like an explosion, the people who will stop for nothing will get it, but after that boom, it only goes one way.

Why bother? That' s so wrong in so many ways.

with, or without games, only a few consoles have launched such a ridiculously high pricetag.
And none of them survived to 3rd generation.

Even sony' s entrenched fanbase is starting to eye the alternatives, and what a boost for them!

I will not go as far as to say the playstation 3 will be a failure, but you will not see it matching the sales of it' s competition...Ever.

PS3 = Saturn

Yeah it sure is. They even did the same thing as Sega with the graphics. Sega quickly put together their complex twin processor thingy (or whatever it was) when they heard Sony had the Playstation and now Sony did the same by adding the RSX once they saw the power of the 360.

Yeah yeah,we cant help the price tag or blu-ray its there now.

But sony better start show up AAA title when the launch is up,i mean showing,not having.

I DO GET that ps3 isn' t even out and therefor we cant expect much of AAA titles yet.
But they have a hefty price tag so they better have something that is truly amazing.

I find Heavnly sword as perhaps an AAA title but it wont come to launch.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I think it is fair to expect them to match ms and nintendo though with aaa titles considering they all unveiled at the same time the launch times initially were' nt much apart but if they don' t get something together their competitors are going to slip away at an un catchable distance. Also they' ve had the same times if not more to develop...even if they took their time with the dev kits.

I expect Nintendo' s launch titles to be a million times better than Sony' s. Even 360 didn' t have a strong launch lineup, with only the awesome Call of Duty 2 and Kameo standing out from the rubbish sports games and awful ports.

PDZ is terrible, even online. It was nice at first but once the shiny plastic visuals wore off all i saw was flaws. GRAW is the ultimete online experience, especially when you have Quez shouting at people and taking complete control of the team.

PS3 has some notable techincal flaws, and the fact that it' s harder to work with won' t help them. I think Sony' s games need to be priced lowe than Microsofts are at the moment, but that' s not going to happen, -- if anything they' ll be more expensive due to the nature of their chosen format.

I was thinking about how much their games are going to cost and am really interested to see.

Pdz I did' nt get it because I had the feeling it wasn' t going to be anything too interesting. Totally agree with cod2 and kameo standing out thats why to me there were only 3 games I wanted on launch doa4 that was pushed back included. Also when the ps3 comes out i' m wondering if the price for 360 games would go down (probably not, but wishful thinking).

Also when the ps3 comes out i' m wondering if the price for 360 games would go down (probably not, but wishful thinking).

I expect the price of 360 games to drop back to what new Xbox titles cost before 360 was released, with BIG releases (like GoW & Mass Effect) costing slightly more.

Blu-Ray costs 10x as much to manufacture as DVD9 and it cost' s the developer more to use it, so since the price is down to the publishers they could very well be more than what 360 games cost now, OR they could release at the same price and not make as much profit.

I' m not patient enough to read all these posts.

It was said somewhere above by somebody that Sony' s games division is in financial trouble because of the development costs of cell and bluray.

That' s true, but the development cycle is over now and the PS2 is still selling pretty damn good, + they' ve got some high profile sellers coming on PS2 still. I think that' s what they' re counting on to counter the development losses.

As for selling a lot of PS3' s quickly...I' m not too sure that' s all that important either. With the price they announced i' m betting Sony already knows a lot of people are going to take the wait-and-see option on buying. All they really have to do is make it look like it' s selling like crazy...

...which will be easy, since there' s no way they' ll be able to produce enough anyway...it' s all about marketing. Expect the headlines everywhere to read " PS3 sold out everywhere"

Make people think they can' t get it and they' ll pay anything to get their hands on one.

It' s going to take some hard work from sony' s marketing department, but i still think the PS3 is nowhere near having an unsuccessful launch.

Even with that ridiculous price, MS and nintendo will still be the underdogs this gen, at least in the beginning. Sony' s massive sales lead is going to shrink a little, but that' s about it.

As for developer support, it' ll still be there. Even J. Carmack, after complaining about the development environment said they' d be supporting it. High profile developers will be willing to do the work because they know the sales will follow. And the smaller developers will follow the sales.

...And nobody is dropping any prices anytime soon, at least for a couple of years. sony can' t and MS doesn' t have to.

ORIGINAL: nekkid_monkey

Even with that ridiculous price, MS and nintendo will still be the underdogs this gen, at least in the beginning. Sony' s massive sales lead is going to shrink a little, but that' s about it.

So when do you think PS3 sales will surpass 360 sales? MS expects to have sold 10 million by the time PS3 is released! Do you think PS3 will outsell 360 and/or the Wii this Christmas? I don' t. I expect the Wii to come out on top this Christmas. Crazy, huh?! A recent online poll stated that people were anticipating the Wii by almost 3 to 1 over the PS3!

Will Sony eventually pull ahead? Will they sell more units this gen than either (or both) of their two competitors? I guess we' ll see, but I think it' s gonna be an uphill battle for them. I mean, yeah, the Playstation brand is strong, but it' s not positioned (price-wise) to compete with their rivals. I think the PS2 will outsell the 360 and Wii this Christmas, before the PS3 will.

I expect the price of 360 games to drop back to what new Xbox titles cost before 360 was released, with BIG releases (like GoW & Mass Effect) costing slightly more.

Blu-Ray costs 10x as much to manufacture as DVD9 and it cost' s the developer more to use it, so since the price is down to the publishers they could very well be more than what 360 games cost now, OR they could release at the same price and not make as much profit.

FYI, in Singapore at least, 360 games are exactly the same price as the original Xbox games, and Xbox games have dropped to about half of their original price.

Current pricing: $50-$70 for 360, $20-$40 for Xbox
In US dollars: US$26-$38 for 360, $14-$28 for Xbox

Xbox game prices dropped greatly when there was one last large mega sale that sold off excess stock at unbelievable prices. Been buying cheap second-hand games ever since. ^^

Sony did the same by adding the RSX once they saw the power of the 360.

You gotta be kidding me
the rsx chip was started in production back in the days of geforce 6800, xbox 360 didnt even exist