So, how well is 360 doing then?

....We all know about 360 having a hard time in Japan, but what about America and Europe??.....

...does anyone have any figures about the number of units sold so far?... ..its been out for about a quarter now, yes?.......

....i would have expected to be reading articles which compare it to ex-box or PS2 in a similar time frame, about now....

...also: ..how well do you think it will do overall, during this ' next-gen' generation?......
..do you think it has a chance of success against PS3 and Revolution, despite the likelihood of a purposely short life span??....

.....or is the console war irrelevant, taking a distant back seat over quality, diversity and value for money?.....

...share your thoughts....

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Well, so far the xbox is selling out on a consistant basis is both the US and euro markets, as to say large stock doesn' t sit in stores.
And here in washington state, some preorders have still to be filled.

Yeah, it' s only reacently been launched in Australia and New Zealand and has sold out again.

It' s mostly available in the UK now but some stores are still out of stock.

The worldwide launch was a bold move but seems to have paid off because Microsoft are on track to sell more than 5.5 million units by June this year and expext to sell 9-10 million by the end on 2006 (probably about right considering how well it will sell during the holiday season due to the BIG games (like RE5, Mass Effect and Too Human coming out then).

So no matter what anybody else says, it' s selling well and will continue to sell...

I have more to add but need to dash out!

I have a crazy if long drawn hypothesis.... PS3 and 360 will be neck and neck
about a year and half from now... Sony expect their console to last about 10 years
In the meantime Microsoft will release details of a new console in probably about 6
years.... Agreed? Oh and by the way the PS3 is not going to be 350 euros as
orginally thought... It' s rumoured to retail between 499 euros and 599 euros.
Can Sony ever say anything outside of smoke and dust clouds????????

Link:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/front_index.php?

500 EURO PS3 REPORTS " INCORRECT"

Sony debunks claims that its next-gen console will retail for 500 euros, Fornay reports cited as " misunderstanding"

15:45 Yesterday, the internet was alive with reports that Sony Europe vice president George Fornay had revealed its next-gen console, the PlayStation 3, was set to retail in the territory for around 500 euros, or 350 GBP, on a French radio show. Now though, the company has spoken out, claiming that " at no time did he suggest or indicate a specific price point or price range for PS3, and any reports that he did so are incorrect" .
Speaking to website GamesIndustry.biz, SCEE corporate communications director Nick Sharples explained that the notion the PS3 was set to hit shelves as a price point between 499 and 599 euros was based on " a mistranslation or misunderstanding of the [radio] discussion, which was actually focused on the relative value of PS3 as a Bluray Disc player."

Apparently, Fornay' s comments merely illustrated that, at a hypothetical price point of 500 euros, " PS3 would be expensive when one looked at the current price of a video games machine, at far below 500 Euros, but extremely good value when looking at the BD and HD technology inside" .
So, we' re still no closer to discovering that magic PS3 price point it seems. Ah well, there' s always E3 to sort that little lot out, we suppose.

There are two rules to success:

1. Never tell all you know.

Agreed.
The large installer base will pretty much give it a head start over the playstation.

All the Best Buys in my area got at least 70 on this past Sunday. they all sold out again that day byt 1pm.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

...over a quarter of a year into 360' s worldwide release and Bill & Co. still can' t meet demand?...

..tisk tisk..

....that is a lot of lost money, customers and possible M$ converts...

...someone' s gonna get fired...

In the meantime Microsoft will release details of a new console in probably about 6 years.... Agreed?

...no way...

....i expect 720 to be announced 3-4 years from now...

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...over a quarter of a year into 360' s worldwide release and Bill & Co. still can' t meet demand?...

..tisk tisk..

....that is a lot of lost money, customers and possible M$ converts...

...someone' s gonna get fired...

Uh, not meeting demand may not exactly be a bad thing. The 360 is selling more consoles faster than MS predicted by a long shot. This is actually a good thing for MS. If 70 consoles can' t even last a day on the shelves that means MS has definately done something right. The people want 360s and they are showing it.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Sony expect their console to last about 10 years
In the meantime Microsoft will release details of a new console in probably about 6
years.... Agreed?

As Bishonen already said, NO WAY... I expect the Xbox 975 to be officially announced around the same time, 3 - 4 years from now.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

Oh no... here comes the M$' s again.

This is not slashdot, all companies get a fair shot, even (blow)ny, and dumbtendo.

Uh, not meeting demand may not exactly be a bad thing. The 360 is selling more consoles faster than MS predicted by a long shot. This is actually a good thing for MS. If 70 consoles can' t even last a day on the shelves that means MS has definitely done something right. The people want 360s and they are showing it.

...maybe, but they are still loosing potential sales... especially to more casual gamers.... ...i know people who have still to receive their pre-ordered 360, and have noticed them beginning to eye up PS3 more and more since it' s official release date being confirmed...

..../ Xbox 975 \....

...what kind of a revolution is that?....

.....did you mean x1080? to be released around the same time as x720?....

...i should run out RIGHT NOW and patent/register those names shouldn' t i?....

(blow)ny, and dumbtendo.

......

...classic dude...

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I dont know about you yanks, but I can walk into my local Gamestop and buy a machine easy.

Anybody interested in a Pal 360?

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Microsoft not having enough consoles could even have been a purposeful tactic because it' s working out superbly for them. The 2nd loads of consoles coming just when Ghost Recon and Oblivion hit?! C' mon, it' s genius!

Microsoft could even overshoot their projected yearly sales at this rate, and they' ll definately be the first to sell 10 million.

Sony have fucked up over and over so far, ...they don' t even know what to charge for their own damn machine never mind anything else!

The PS3' ' s price can' t be as cheap as people are hoping because that would require the shareholders (the people in charge) to take a massive financial risk and take huge losses for the first 12 months at least.

It' s already projected that even if Sony launched at $500, and the equivlent worldwide, they' ll still lose more than $1 billion in the first year because they' ll be loseing nearly $300 on every machine they sell. Sony, right now are NOT in a strong position and it' s being made worse daily by the successes of their competitors.

Microsoft has REAL Square-Enix support?! Namco support?! Konami support?! Ha, and with some exclusive titles from those highly respected codeshops things are looking up for 360.

Microsoft may not flat out win this generation, but they will certainly find themselves in a VERY strong position for the next one. It' s not like they will EVER have money problems, and thus the worries of comanies like Nintendo (whose profits have gone through the roof) and Sony, ...just like my beloved SEGA!!!

Does everybody realise that even though we don' t know how much PS3 will actualy cost, you' ll be able to get a 360 AND a Revolution for the same price pretty much guaranteed?!

I dunno, sony loyalists are getting about as loyal to the playstation as nintendo fans are to each nintendo console, so even if the xbox gains market ground, the pure loyalty will insulate sony from more losses.
Microsoft only chance to gain the same loyalty is to:

a)Make your own fanatics like sony did with the playstation over the saturn.
As to say, those who were loyal to the saturn/dreamcast have not switched to sony, but sony made it' s own fanatics.

b)Ape the leader and try to outdo them.

Unfortunatly, MS is doing the later...And it' s not so much working out for the,
There are other things they could do, but it might be too late.

ORIGINAL: Tiz

... Sony expect their console to last about 10 years
In the meantime Microsoft will release details of a new console in probably about 6
years.... Agreed?

Not really. If you' re saying that Sony will not release another game machine for 10 years, then that is incorrect. When Sony made that statement, what they were saying is that after the next round of consoles is released they will still support the PS3, just like they did with the PS1 after the PS2 was released. Hell, they JUST stopped producing the PS1!

And the next round of consoles will be announced in about 4 years, and on the market in about 5.

It' s probably going to be more like 5 1/2 years form now when it' s releasd though, but 4 or so before it' s announced.

I dunno, sony loyalists are getting about as loyal to the playstation as nintendo fans are to each nintendo console

Granted, but they' re generally teenagers, and if the console is expensive, and game sprices are increased again, ...you think they' ll keep taking Sony' s shit?!

PS3 will be a success, but they are definately not going to sell the kinds of numbers that PS2 did. And if Blu-Ray fails, Sony are fucked!

Their is Certainly some ' Xbox Fanboyism' in this thread. And in these Forums. Seems like Sony get nothing but Bashing here. Joy.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Its no xboxfanboyism,the first next gen console is out,and we are all happy with it even though ken says its an " xbox 1.5" .
And many many great titles are coming,doesnt mean sony wont have it as good as we have it at the moment,heck they might even have better,but that wont bother me,im on the next gen train,and im covered and i love it.

360 ftw :P

And hopefully ps3+Nr too.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Well i' ve been very upfront about my current dislike for Sony and their tactics. They seem lost, like they have forgotten what to do. They screwed up royally last year at E3, even though it was deemed a success, ...the CG trailers pissed a lot of people off.

Then they decided to force developers to use Blu-Ray, even for games that don' t need that kind of storage space.

Then they thought about making games only readable on the console they were first played on, ...something that REALLY pissed people off because of what Sony had already done with the DRM scandal.

Then they let everyone down by being adamant about a Spring 2006 launch and then changing it once we were alraedy into Spring.

Then they showed a god-awful controller, which wouldn' t have been so bad if Microsoft' s pad hadn' t already been declared the best ever and Nintendo' s uber-device had already been announced and shown.

Now they' ve lost Hollywood' s interest in UMD' s and are fucking us about with the PS3' s price, which seems undecided.



I' m not trying to bash Sony, ...i even keep stating that i' ll be buying a PS3 at launch. It' s just that i feel like the only thing they' ve done right in the past 12 months is announce that you' ll be able to download and play PSone games on you PSP!

Sony are a company known for great 3rd party support and great exclusive franchises from big-name developers, specifically Japanese ones. Well, Microsoft by all accounts seems to be headed that way itself, and now has Square-Enix on board, announcing not one, but 2 new titles, to add to the 1 they already have coming out soon, and thay' ve even said that they' ll be making more 360 announcements at E3.

Sony can' t stay on top forever, and if they' only played things a little safer, been a little more honest about where they were at with development and didn' t claims things like..PS3 will be twice as powerful as 360, ...then i' d be a little more interested about all things PS3.

As it stands, i' m simply waiting for the questions to the important answers; when will it come to Europe?, how much will the PS3 equivlent of the 360 premium pack cost?, how much will the games cost?, what games will the machine launch with and what will be available in the first 6 months?, do i get a free DVD remote?

I need none of that from Nintendo though, ...i simply need a date and a price, and that' s just so i know how much money to take out of the bank on my way to the store!

Does everybody realise that even though we don' t know how much PS3 will actualy cost, you' ll be able to get a 360 AND a Revolution for the same price pretty much guaranteed?!

Yeah, they both probably will equal the power of PS3 =0

Granted, but they' re generally teenagers, and if the console is expensive, and game sprices are increased again, ...you think they' ll keep taking Sony' s shit?!

Teens huh? I' ll keep taking Sony' s shit because sony has games I like. I like games and games are on Playstation. Simple. Oh and I' m no teen. Don' t hate.

PS3 will be a success, but they are definately not going to sell the kinds of numbers that PS2 did. And if Blu-Ray fails, Sony are fucked!

Doubtfull that Blue-Ray will fail. Kinda like the DVD+R and the DVD-R. Now we just got both formats in one drive. I was reading a bit on HD-DVD. It usees the same red laser and Blue-Ray will have compatibility with old DVD' s. So...as technology grows I' m sure both will be combined one way or another. Blue-Ray will not fail due to soo many companies backing it up.

Blue-Ray and HD-DVD combo drives here we come! everybody wins!

Sony can' t stay on top forever, and if they' only played things a little safer, been a little more honest about where they were at with development and didn' t claims things like..PS3 will be twice as powerful as 360, ...then i' d be a little more interested about all things PS3.

I doubt you' ll get honesty from any company. No company has played it safe also. This can be argued against Xbox' s shortage at first when they were claiming to sell a certain amount by Christmas...Then they changed it...and again. They claim it' s twice as powerfull and you eat it up. Common sense that is they had something twice as powerfull it would show twice as powerfull graphics but it hasn' t really. Sure they look a lot cleaner but Xbox is just starting. If you are gonna take their crap you might as well take that Nike shoes makes you jump higher like in their commercial....it' s to sell =o.

As it stands, i' m simply waiting for the questions to the important answers; when will it come to Europe?, how much will the PS3 equivlent of the 360 premium pack cost?, how much will the games cost?, what games will the machine launch with and what will be available in the first 6 months?, do i get a free DVD remote?

Now you are talking. Those are the questions that can' t be answered until actual offical crap. Stay away from rumors and claims and wait for the final words, those are important. Rumors only make you a vein popping person =o

erm, November in Europe since its a World Wide Launch.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

yea, except for that question. Overlooked it. And don' t take the first joke serious....It' s a joke..

Well it' s a worldwide launch until it' s not, ...if you know what i mean...

Yeah, they both probably will equal the power of PS3 =0

Well, that' s not really true.
If we look at the RSX, it' s ill suited for console usage, and will more then likely be starved by the cell set.

And the cell set it' s self is not ending looking like sony said it would be.
With it' s limited access to memory, and a lack of cache.
It might end up sputtering on tasks most modern cpu take in stride.

Not to say the xbox360 is much better, it too is risc.
But for the most parts, it performs better as a whole.

Just a correction.

Well,john carmack did say that cell and its core is better for handling things like MS word,excell and stuff like that then to handle things in games like physics and a.i

However...i think cell is kick ass :P
but im no dev,so i have no clue,if carmack is right or ken.

Bye!

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Well i' ve been very upfront about my current dislike for Sony and their tactics.

....and i suppose this man:









..and his behemoth of an organisation, wood never partake in questionable tactics?... ...is honourable, trustworthy and the complete opposite of those dictators at Sony, right??...

...

....back on topic: ......why am i not hearing about the actual amounts of 360 units sold for it' s first financial quarter?.....
....i' d really like to know how well 360 is doing in relation to xbox, PS2 and GC' s first months of release....

...isn' t it the norm for mega-corporations to release such details on a quarterly basis?....

....how else are we able to tell just how well a product is actually doing behind the fanaticism?........

..kikizo? ..any of you lot know anything??....

......check: https://forum.kikizo.com/tm.asp?m=41957&p=1&mpage=2&tmode=1&smode=1 for more funny pics..

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Alright, this is not the kind of place for that attitude.
If you two want to rouse each other, please do it elsewhere.
If you have a real question or statment, let' s hear it?

ORIGINAL: whiteguysamurai

Alright, this is not the kind of place for that attitude.
If you two want to rouse each other, please do it elsewhere.
If you have a real question or statment, let' s hear it?

Attitude?! Come down of your high horse my friend and join the party!

It' s all relative.

However, if you don' t want to comment on his or my post then maybe you should jus go post in another thread or something...

his behemoth of an organisation, wood never partake in questionable tactics?... ...is honourable, trustworthy and the complete opposite of those dictators at Sony, right??...

Microsoft' s biggest sin was what? Trying to make people buy Media Centre PC' s to get the most out of 360 when XP compatability should have been sorted from the get-go?! or maybe Microsoft including Windows Media Player with Windows?!

Erm, ...ok, so the Media Centre thing was a little out of order, but the claims that Microsoft have/had a monopoly with Windows Media Player/Outlook/Word, ...etc being included as standard in Windows is completely unfounded.

The real issue is why developers of rival software don' t make it compatible with other operating systems. It' s not really down to Microsoft. I mean, Microsoft' s products are VERY good and Windows Media Player for example is one of the best media players available (VLC will play ANYTHING though!) and why shouldn' t they include it with Windows? Doesn' t it add more value for money?

I don' t think anything Microsoft have ever done is on the scale of Sony BMG' s Digital Right Management scandal...

Well,john carmack did say that cell and its core is better for handling things like MS word,excell and stuff like that then to handle things in games like physics and a.i

However...i think cell is kick ass :P
but im no dev,so i have no clue,if carmack is right or ken.

Bye!

Initially CELL was designed to handle everything. They weren' t going to include a GPU at all and were planning on rendering everythig using CELL. But CELL isn' t specifically for gaming, it' s being used in a whole host of other devices such as TV' s and Sony developed it to run multiple programs and calculations simultaneously.

Since it' s excellent as doing complex calculations, it makes it perfect for handling physics and AI which is what developers will primarily use it for. When Sony saw Microsoft had a technically superior machine they quickly partnered with NVIDIA and had them tweak a commercially available graphics card to level the playing field as it were.

Right now, nobody, even developers are quite certain which machine is capable of more. Theoretically 360 can produce higher quality visuals but PS3 can have more things on screen at any given time.

It' s going to be interesting to see how XNA affects 360 development, especially with the inclusion on DirectX 10.

Some developers prefer 360, and some prefer PS3, ...but that' s how these things work because different developer do things differently.

A year after PS3' s launch, i' ll be looking at multi-format titles and comparing them. Right now though i just want to see what PS3' s launch titles look like.



Yawn! It' s bedtime for me i think...

REMEMBER, ...don' t talk to strangers. It can be hazardous to your health!

If you have a real question or statment, let' s hear it?

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....back on topic: ......why am i not hearing about the actual amounts of 360 units sold for it' s first financial quarter?.....
....i' d really like to know how well 360 is doing in relation to xbox, PS2 and GC' s first months of release....

...isn' t it the norm for mega-corporations to release such details on a quarterly basis?....

....how else are we able to tell just how well a product is actually doing behind the fanaticism?........

..kikizo? ..any of you lot know anything??....

Microsoft' s biggest sin was what? /ect....

...this isn' t a bash M$ thread, and there are numerous accounts of shady tactics and underhand policies by BOTH Phony and Megaco$t (like being forced to purchase a whole new operating system just to play Halo 2 etc etc)...

....just try to leave the hypocrisy at the door, yes?....

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Well, that' s not really true.
If we look at the RSX, it' s ill suited for console usage, and will more then likely be starved by the cell set.

And the cell set it' s self is not ending looking like sony said it would be.
With it' s limited access to memory, and a lack of cache.
It might end up sputtering on tasks most modern cpu take in stride.

Not to say the xbox360 is much better, it too is risc.
But for the most parts, it performs better as a whole.

Just a correction.

I did post I was joking...here..

yea, except for that question. Overlooked it. And don' t take the first joke serious....It' s a joke..

Microsoft is the devil dude =o

Keeping Halo all to themselves...of course it' s the greatest Shooter ever made...*cough* unreal tournament*cough*
God I love Unreal.
I love all these threads =)
I also love the Microsoft love and Majik. I like ya. You go against everything everybody says with facts to back it up. Sometimes I can' t tell which side you are on and when I think I got it you backtalk something else. You rock man(not sarcasm):P

But yeah I still hate Microsoft regardless if they have or haven' t done anything in the past. The blue screen of the death is the worst they have ever done to me and that beats any of Sony' s crap. =)

You know if PS3 is gonna cost 600 dollars I should just save my money and go buy a Windows XP CD instead. With the price of the PS3 in my mind I had to think of the crappiest priced item and that' s the best I could come up with. Damn you Microsoft!

...

Hahahahaha....

My affection is currently shared between Microsoft' s 360 (because i know stuff that hasn' t been announced yet), and Nintendo as a whole.

Obviously, come November and PS3' s launch i' ll proably start to think Sony' s grass looks a little greener than Microsoft' s (maybe), but i WON' T be straying very far from Revolution during the holiday season, ...i forsee muchos partygame and funky fps action!!!

Syro (i initially typed Spyro there...), check you messages and you should find a message with a link. Follow it. Let me know what you think and i' ll change the layout etc accordingly!

(like being forced to purchase a whole new operating system just to play Halo 2 etc etc)...

1. That hasnt happend yet
2. If thats the case Sony, MS, and Nintendo are all evil for " forcing" you to buy something new to play new games. If you actually knew what you were talking about, Vista supposedly is a very good environment for programming games.

I dont want to celebrate, I want to sell you hate.

DX10

1. That hasnt happend yet
2. If thats the case Sony, MS, and Nintendo are all evil for " forcing" you to buy something new to play new games

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Facing the challenge of converting new users to its latest operating system, Windows Vista, Microsoft is placing its bets on the ace card that' s been responsible for its console successes and announced that the upcoming PC port of Halo 2 will run exclusively on Vista.

Though there' s no signs so far of features unique to Vista that Halo 2 will utilize, or enhancements to the game itself (though it will ship with the optional map packs offered to Xbox players last year), leaving one to wonder just how mutually beneficial the relationship might be: without significant upgrades, will users clamor to purchase an entirely new operating system for what will be a two year old port at the time Vista is expected to be released? And, of course, it' s hard not to feel a pang at Bungie' s transition from Mac stalwart to Windows poster-boy. - Edge

If you actually knew what you were talking about, Vista supposedly is a very good environment for programming games.

.....if you took a minute to take that Micro$oft branded penis out of your mouth, you' d see that i didn' t make any comment on Vistas capabilities as an OS...

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Boys, business is business. Microsoft aren' t evil. Everyone is trying to make as much money as possible and they are to. Even the things that appear to be nice are deep down only ways to get more money.
I' m quite sure both Sony and Microsoft would kill people if it meant more money. But since people would stop buying their products that won' t happen.
Microsoft are smart and are playing nice because it pleases customers.
Of course Microsoft are using every possible way to sell as many software products as they can. They' re not forcing you to buy anything stupid! But if you choose to buy their products, it will be on their conditions since they created it. Let' s just hope Windows Vista is a good OS that' s worth buying.

I PM' d some of you so check your messages...

So you want a PM back or what?

I' m looking for constructional criticism really.

Everyone is trying to make as much money as possible

Except Nintendo of course

They' re not forcing you to buy anything stupid! But if you choose to buy their products, it will be on their conditions since they created it.

I agree totally!
And in more recent news, gasoline, the only mainstream means of fueling an automobile is up to $2.78 per-gallon in my part of the states. Ya don' t have to buy gasoline to own a car, but...

just makin a point

I still haven' t seen an xbox 360 platinum available for purchase in any store. I usually see 1 to 3 of the $300 ones though.

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