Ps3 GDC Pics!

a slew of pics from a few games includeing motorstorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, Ratchet & Clank and Warhawk show what they will look like on PS3 hardware. I dont know what you guys where on about ' ps2 visuals' , these def. look next gen.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/25/motorstorm-resistance-and-more-pictures-from-sonys-gdc-keynot/

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

true, and it they do run jerky or woth Framerate problems, they have plenty of time to optimise.

....hey.....what' s Resistance about?... ..haven' t seen nothing about that one before....

...and Ratchet & Clank looks pretty impressive...


.....sweet pics dude...keep the faith!

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wasn' t " I-8" renamed into restiance:fall of human?

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Awesome link, thanks - I also fail to see the PS2 quality in these images... unless i have a dodgy ps2...

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wasn' t " I-8" renamed into restiance:fall of human?

.....that sounds right....

..check these out:







...not bad eh?....

..work in progress though...

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I just said what I was told by someone who was there. Those shorts are quite blurry though. I' d like to see something sharp.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Not that you can tell much at all from those SMALL and DARK images...

Kudos to the guy who took them though, ...a nice sly move!

I agree that the quality of the visuals don' t QUITE match what i have read about.

IGN said of Resistance: Fall of Man...

Once the demo itself began, it was obvious that it wasn' t looking as good as the trailer from E3 last year...

Less spectacular as the demo might have been, it did show off some nice next-gen effects that you wouldn' t be able to do on the PS2. High-end bump mapping, specular highlighting, and other accelerator-friendly goodies were obvious from the very beginning but they weren' t any better than what the 360 can do with software right now

...and of Motorstorm...

Compared to the E3 presentation, the game is close in presentation and functionality and look to its promise, with detail not reaching the level of the astounding E3 demo but still running with some very cool technology to provide a new way of playing in the mud

So the visuals obviously aren' t exactly PS2 quality, but they' re nothing like anything previously claimed. They' ll definately improve through optimization and as the edevelopers figure out how best to use the 7 SPU' s.

Suffice to say i don' t expect PS3 to surpass 360 for at least a year after it' s launch, ...but then, ...maybe...

So the visuals obviously aren' t exactly PS2 quality, but they' re nothing like anything previously claimed.

it is ridiculous to compare those videos to ps2 quality, and majic you are exagerating, what ign said :

the game is close in presentation and functionality and look to its promise, with detail not reaching the level of the astounding E3 demo but still running with some very cool technology to provide a new way of playing in the mud

if the game is " close" to that video they wowed people with last year at E3, Then HOW the hell can you compare it to a PS2 game ... you don' t quote ign at the begining of its article saying it looks surprisngly to the level of the video except for the particle effects which are not in that level ( i' m lazy to go back to ign and look for the article)

Ratche and Clark is a CG

and just those pics of motorstorm are damn impressive yet, i wonder how the game will look like at its release... lovely

close in presentation and functionality and look to its promise,

I' m unsure at just how fluent you are at English, but that does NOT mean that it' s around/about/almost the same visual quality as the CG shown at E3.

Presentation and functionality? The look? Come off it, you' d have to be either very misguided, or very young to take that to mean what you' re saying.

The next sentance...

with detail not reaching the level of the astounding E3 demo but still running with some very cool technology to provide a new way of playing in the mud.

...is the one that is talking about the visual quality. Why would the writer contradict himself in his opening paragraph?!

HOW the hell can you compare it to a PS2 game

I' m not. The day of the keynote speech i was getting minute by minute updates and relayed them in the GDC thread as i had recieved them. At that time, i was hearing that the visuals weren' t as impressive as expected and parts of it looked like PS2 + fancy post-processing effects.

Until i saw the SMALL pictures, referred to in this thread, i hadn' t seen anything, only heard.

You should ALSO note that 1UP' s coverage of the video' s shown includes the following...

Examples of network play began with a demo of Formula 1 racing. Following that Motorstorm was used to demonstrate how you can buy stuff in the game. In action the HDR lighting looked sharp, but the poor framerate made it clear this was still an early build. While the texturing looked nice, it was a significant step down from the jaw-dropping pre-rendered demo shown at last year' s E3

WOW, a SIGNIFICANT step DOWN from the pre-rendered demo shown at last year' s E3???

The article is available here...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3148951

While i' m not trying to make anybody think PS3 will suck, i just think some people are getting a little too carried away with the hype. Fully fledged games running on the thing could be completely different for better OR worse. It' s still too early to tell and we' ll get a much better idea when E3 rolls around...

SIlentbomber,thanks for the pics.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

....I8/Resistance/whatever looks like freaking carnage man! ...check out the trailer at:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748483/vids_1.aspx

...hearing your buds scream and cry out for a medic is pretty funny too... ...reminds me of halo...

..this game is DEFINITELY one to watch....

(warning: PS2 level graphics missing from trailer)

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It sure looks great,alwqays wanted to have that feeling,like being one of " them" like in starship tropers,and yes not the movie.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

This is my friend Robby who was the one that told me about the PS3 videos. He wrote this article.

Link

To prove that I know this person (thee is always a person to question it, her is the website for our game development team-

MadNinjaCow

Go to the staff page which is the icon on the far right. This brings up all the people that are currently working with me. Robby is the second to last person on the right. Click him and it' ll bring up a bio. I' m the third from the right (just left of Robby). Btw, I know my bio is extremely boring and horribly written on this page, lol.

As of right now I' m going to trust my friend who has seen it first hand compared to a bunch of dark and blurry pics.

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" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

(warning: PS2 level graphics missing from trailer)

Wow, you linked to the E3 2005 trailer...

Congratulations on being the idiot of the day...

The car models and physics were decent although the texturing and the environment was PS2 level of quality

Oh look...

As of right now I' m going to trust my friend who has seen it first hand compared to a bunch of dark and blurry pics.

Damn straight! Oh, and thanks!

Rather wait untill novemember before i comment or jduge any ps3 game,these dev deserev that time.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Well, those Ratchet and Clank pics suprised me. I thought they' d beat that horse dead. but then again, i could be wrong. As long as it' s not another cheap party game, or combat racing game, i' ll be fine. Jak X... why? why?

Wow, you linked to the E3 2005 trailer...

...so that' s not allowed then?.....

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...so that' s not allowed then?.....

Not considering it wasn' t running on PS3 hardware.

That' s why the version shown at GDC the other day is described like...

Once the demo itself began, it was obvious that it wasn' t looking as good as the trailer from E3 last year

Less spectacular as the demo might have been, it did show off some nice next-gen effects that you wouldn' t be able to do on the PS2. High-end bump mapping, specular highlighting, and other accelerator-friendly goodies were obvious from the very beginning but they weren' t any better than what the 360 can do with software right now.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/697/697658p1.aspx



Easy mistake to make though...

Although the framerates of the demos shown were said to be uneasy and not constant, it' s nothing worse than when Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter and Perfect Dark Zero were first shown running on 360 devkits. Both titles ended up running smooth (although PDZ sucks ass!) with constant framerates so there' s little to worry about.

Just don' t expect to be wowed...

I would be wowed to play these games, majik... I don' t know about anyone else, But it' d be wow enough after all the hype and wait to actually play a game on PS3. Even if it look utter crap, it' s still kinda like... " Wow the machine actually came out and with games too... "

The screen were all decent, I think comparing anything on next gen to ps2 is pretty insulting really. Heck 360' s early stuff was jaggies and framerate issues, but it was never compared to PS2... It' s a bit insulting to be compared to like...6/7 year old hardware (or however old it is now - time flies) - At least have the decency to compare it to a very well polished ps2 game or an xbox game.
Just my opinion though.

I didn' t see the fuss in those screens about ratchet and clank... perhaps there was more than the 3 i saw, but i would have thought ps3/360 wouldn' t have the smallest problem handling anything i saw there.

I look forward to E3 to see videos and hands-on with PS3 games, and then the end of the year to hopefully play one myself.

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One question: Where are the Revolution pics?
That' s all I want to see.

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One question: Where are the Revolution pics?
That' s all I want to see.

Absolutely!

I couldn' t care less for PS3 right now, as 360 has some wild stuff coming up, ...but Revolution is the only console i actually need!

I want my Super Smash Bros Online and Mario 128 (along with Mario Kart GP whioch i' ve played already in the arcades) ...

I am interested in how Powerfull the Rev. Is, i heard it just and extension of the gamecube hardware with poer equal to an " pumped up xbox" but with jobs listings for work on the unreal engine 3 for the rev posted on some game company site a while back shows the machine isnt that much of a slouch in the graphics department. You dont need A hdtv for good graphics either. But i dont think it will ever catch up with the ps3 or 360. unless its 2d.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

I honestly could care less about the Revolution being significantly less powerful than the 360 and PS3. It' s more powerful than the original Xbox and that' s good enough for me....

Plus Nintendo has a tendency to understate the capability of their consoles as they did with the GameCube, so I suspect that whatever they' re claiming the Revolution will be capable of, companies like Factor 5 (if they develop for Nintendo again) will get it to do MORE early on just like they did with the GameCube.

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Plus Nintendo has a tendency to understate the capability of their consoles as they did with the GameCube

Yeah, ...according to Nintendo, before GC was released, Star Wars - Rogue Leader Rogue Squadron II wasn' t possible on the machine.

Factor 5, as you say!

I am interested in how Powerfull the Rev. Is, i heard it just and extension of the gamecube hardware with poer equal to an " pumped up xbox"

Well made Revolution games will look something like 1st gen 360 titles (including Oblivion). Nintendo have been very smart about the way they' ve constructed the hardware and they patented a new kind of displacement mapping (the technique used in RE5) that' s far superior to what has been used before.

But say you ignore the displacement mapping and said that the output would be 2.5 x Gamecube, ...then you' d still end up with something tat looked twice as good as these, and then some...





...so once you add enhanced displacement maps to the equation, it' s definately enough.

Remembering that Revolution won' t support HD and you can only fairly compare it to 360 and PS3 when they also aren' t using HD displays.

But i dont think it will ever catch up with the ps3 or 360

Well 360 and PS3 are capable of FAR more than anything 360 already has out. Huge jumps will be seen in the visual quality as developers spend more time with the multi-cored architecture. PS3 has a significant disadvantage early on because of how complex Sony have made it, ...but the opposite applies to 360 where it' s far easier to get stuff up and running.

XNA will produce a massive surge in visual quality and when devs get used to Cells 7 SPU' s, the visuals will rapidly increase.

Sony DID mess up with the memory allocation, they bottlenecked it and it would have caused significant problems but they' ve kind of helped the situation by both delaying the machine (so they might change the setup) and making the HDD a standard feature for games. It should also help what would have been slower loading times because of Blu-Ray being in it' s infancy and faster drives being more expensive to produce.

We' ll see at E3!

(Yes, those Blu ray loads times were primed to be monumentally slow... with an expected 2x speed for most inital drives, this seems to be easily comparable to the early PS2 problems. Unless of course, I only IMAGINED being able to fix a sandwich during the pauses in Timesplitters.)

Sony does indeed have an uphill battle in terms of developer ease because of their implementation of parallel processing (which historically has seemed to give developers more of a handful than they may have bargained for), but this may be somewhat assuaged by the fact that Sony has opted to use a plethora of common APIs for the development cycle. Of course, this difficulty would also be negated if the development tools themselves are well documented, more like the PS1 era, less like the PS2.

Ultimately though, that' s all I feel compelled to say on the technological issues of the PS3. I really don' t derive much pleasure from discussing these aspects of a console because, ultimately, they have rarely proved to be truly significant. As we' ve seen on both the PS3 and the X360, a similar degree of realism can be accomplished on the differing hardware. (The eternal Gears of War vs. MGS4 debate) The underlying factor is the developer themselves.

But more relevant to the topic, these pictures are better than I was expecting considering some of the write ups I' ve read. Motorstorm still looks quite good, though it' s difficult to tell quite how far away from the quality of the cinematics shown at E3 they are. Either way, it would be a graphically sufficient competitor to the next generation of X360 titles. The same can be said of Warhawk, whose gorgeous water effects shine through even in such poor quality pictures. The Getaway looks as beautiful today as it did a year ago, but that' s nothing new from the team that managed to create a beautiful franchise on the PS2 hardware.

If the PS3 launch titles can compete with the X360s winter releases, I believe they will appease a lot of skeptics. However, if these games aren' t intriguing enough to justify the elevated price tag (assuming they don' t suprise the industry and undercut all expectations, which seems to be a beautiful dream), I can easily wait. With the possible exception of the Revolution, I never buy consoles in their first year of existence anyway.

I' m sitting here impressed!

I hope you' re here to stay though...



Sony launch lineup should definately be compared to the 360 winter roster and not the rushed titles that arrived alongside the machine. But i don' t see PS3' s 1st day lineup being of the same quaity of what 360 has coming at the end of the year.

Too Human, Huxley, Gears of War, Lost Planet, Mass Effect, etc... are all expected this year and i highly doubt that anything released in the PS3' s first 6 months will meet that level of quality.

Sony STILL have a couple of technical issues, but hopefully they will revise the machines structure before launch and include a faster drive.

If PS3 is as expensive as has been speculated, then i would fully expect Nintendo to outsell Sony in it' s first year. Anybody who thinks that is just daft should look at the phenomenal success they have had with the underpowered DS.

The thing people need to realise about the demos shown the other day is that there was very little actually going on in any of them. They aren' t fully fledged games yet, and when all the extra stuff that will make them into games proper are added, it will put more of a strain on the hardware than the demos shown at GDC (which had unsteady framerates).

Hopefully at e3,we get to see all secret prjocets,and Square-enix games :P,also the announcet about multiplattform!!!

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.