Progressive Scan PS2 help

Hey, Don' t know if it' s ok to post this here, but I' ve looked around the net and never found an answer only the same question, so I' ll pitch it here...

When i switch a compatible game or dvd to progressive and all menus and cables are correct the PS2 fails to display the game correctly.
The boot screen flickers or has no signal at all as with dvds, and games in progressive display, what is the top right corner of the screen, in the bottom left... the rest is black. (Back in 480i works fine).
Really wanted to get to play my ps2 games in pro scan and any help would be great.

PS2 is progressive scan compatible (v9, Aqua)
LCD HDTV,
Previously a CRT (480p/525p compatible)
Component cable (from Game)
All menus set up correctly.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Not all games support Progresive scan.I know that Tekken 4 does.
Anyway find Joe Redifier and PM him - he' s always talking about his Ultimaate TV and how he plays in Progressive scan :)

Hmm, maybe the cable is buggered. Have you tried another component cable. Arent the Monster one' s meant to be the best? They' re the most expensive at least!

I' ve never used the PS2 for DVDs nor do I care to, but with a lot of games you must hold TRIANGLE + X while the game is booting (start holding them when you see Playstation 2 on the screen). You will then come to a menu asking if you want progressive scan. Other games have the selection right in the options screen, like God o' War. There are a couple caveats, though:

1. Very few PS2 games support progressive scan. Check out www.hdtvarcade.com for a definititive list.

2. If you live in Europe and have a PAL system, games are even less likely to support progressive scan. Why? Everyone hates PAL, that' s why. Seriously.

Everyone hates PAL, that' s why. Seriously.

At least we get decent [if not the best] cover art and bug-free [ish] games compared you guys!

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

I don' t know about the cover art since I' ve never researched the issue, but as far as bug free that' s because your games come out 2 to 3 years after they do here!

Joe is right - everyone hates us - we don' t even get some games that they get and what we get is so much more expensive.

Shit :(

Thankfully we can import.

Thanks for your replies,

My PS2 is PAL, but modded, I' ve tried Gof of War (usa) via it' s menu, Jack 3 (usa)via the triangle and X,but all the times the top right of the screen displays in the bottom left corner..
Not sure if the cable is at fault, but I' ve heard of other people with the problem, and don' t really want to buy a new cable if it' s not the problem... it didn' t work from straight away, but in 480i games (only) it' s fine.

I used to use that hdarcade list... but all the games i have don' t work, shadow of the collosus too :(

Thanks.

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Try getting a real NTSC PS2. You can' t trust something that runs in PAL. You just can' t!

LOL... I was at first wondering if the pro scan is just defective on the model, I found other people asking about it online with no answers to their questions.

I' m not rich enough to warrent buying another ps2 (this is my second, i got it for the new colour, and quieter running) just for pro scan... Guess I' ll have to wait for my ps3 i to experience it...

Unless they take it out of the PAL system, ha wouldn' t be the first time they stop us using something already in place. PAL xbox no HD options, ps2, not supported in earlier versions, games rarely support it.

Well i hope at least the ps3 will have a 60hz selection built in like the GC and Xbox.

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Well before you give up on everything, ask around on the forums at http://www.hdtvarcade.com and they' ll likely point you in the right direction. This place is dedicated to gaming in better-than-480i.

Thanks, i' ll try that

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It sounds to me as if it' s one of two things. The cable is duff (you really should pay the extra and get the official Sony one) or your TV doesn' t support 480p or whatever form of component your PS2 is trying to output (do any games support PAL progressive?)

EDIT: You say your PS2 is modded. That' s probably the problem. Do you know which modchip you' ve got installed? I know that with the earlier modchips such as the Messiah that due to the green screen fix (for running DVD' s through RGB) they won' t output anything in component.


Joe

About half of all PS2 games have an option to either run in PAL or in NTSC. It should be 100% but it' s better than nothing. Buying either a modded console or a US one is the way to go though.

Try getting a real NTSC PS2. You can' t trust something that runs in PAL. You just can' t!

That' s just a load of bull....

PAL is pretty much kicking NTSC ass... higher resolution, less jaggies..
smoother playback (atleast on dvd)

And thus the saga...begins...

The resolution increase is negligible and movies are SPED UP by a frame a second to match PAL. It is not the movie' s real speed and yes, 1 frame does make a difference. PAL is going away with the advent of HDTV anyway, and framerates of 24, 30, and 60 will be standard, not 25. And since most games are produced for NTSC it is PAL that ends up getting the shaft.

Anyway I think I may have posted this before (too lazy to check), but make sure the component setting in your PS2 is set to Y, Cb, Cr (or similar) and NOT R,G,B,H,V.

The resolution increase is negligible

NOT if you run on it in Widescreen, then theres a pretty big difference.

Well, WOHOO! HDTV for everyone! I hope you buy me one soon Joe

And thus the saga...begins...

PAL is only better in the vertical dimension (ie: it has more visable horizontal lines). 576 vs NTSC' s 480. They both have the same amount of maximum horizontal pixels... 720. So a 4:3 PAL screen would be 720x576 and a 4:3 NTSC screen would be 720x480. Widescreen simply stretches that. The resolutions are the same in widescreen as they are in 4:3, therefore any difference in widescreen PAL movies would be the same as the difference in 4:3 PAL; 96 horizontal lines. When it all comes down to it, both NTSC and PAL are the same. They both pump out the same number of pixels per second (20,736,000). PAL = 720x576x50 and NTSC = 720x480x60. They both have the exact same bandwidth.



HDTV is another story as they have true 16:9 resolutions. I do have an HDTV here for you but you need to come and pick it up.

Well... as for the problem update.

I have a ghost2 modchip.
I disabled green fix and it sorted out the flickering image when running the ps2 through component.
However the screen still forces to the bottom left of the screen only the top right portion visable.

HDTVarcade' s forum haven' t been able to help, i asked on my modchip forum but not a single reply. and Also on answerbag.com... still nothing... I guess progressive scan wont hit me until i run a next-gen system

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

It sounds to me as if your TV isn' t compatible with the form of progressive scan that your PS2 is outputting. Check to see if your TV can handle 480p (the most common form of prog scan on PS2 games).

Try getting a real NTSC PS2

yes, you can never beat good old fashioned American Workmanship!

.... wait a minute

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Joe, so you can' t run a PAL-TV in 60hz? I never knew that...
I could change almost 99% of my old DC games to 60hz on a PAL-TV set.

I was reading this article yesterday, maybe it' s inaccurate... but it' s worth checking out.

http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Articles/PALvsNTSC/PALvsNTSC.asp


Now on to more important things... how big is my HDTV Joe

And thus the saga...begins...

Gossi, it supports progressive but at what res i dont know, however my older tv, it supported 480p/525p but pal and ntsc progressive signal through component, and i have the same effect on the old tv as i do with this one... Which leads me to believe it' s nothing to do with the tv.

I can' t find the information about the supported scan modes on my tv, annoying.

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Phoenix, when you run in PAL 60, it' s basically the same thing as NTSC, lower resolution and all. You' re not getting 575 lines in PAL 60. Remember, the bandwidth for PAL and NTSC is exactly the same. Exactly.

But isn' t there like som issues with active pixels and also in what aspect ratio it' s showed in?

So does HDTV run in 60fps?

want...

And thus the saga...begins...

Huh?

HDTV can run at 24, 30 and 60fps.

http://hometheater.about.com/od/beforeyoubuy/a/progressivescan.htm


Good article for everyone... ( you to Joe! )

And thus the saga...begins...

Holy bleep.

It just occurred to me.

While on my chips website forum (at ghost2.net) I remember reading that a guy who had the same problem as i am having never used to have the problem before he chipped his machine. He too was having the flicking issue caused by green fix.

So just now i turned my chip off and tried to turn progressive scan on whilst playing a dvd, and y' know.... the screen didn' t misalign, it was perfect progressive scan dvd at last. So there must be some setting on the Chip (hopefully one i can turn off) that causes my problem... I can feel it... the solution is very near....

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

Solution!!!

I had to disable Colour Correction - This puts the screen to the right position
However there is still some weird mark thing on the screen so I had to disable Macrovision Fix to get rid of the mark

In summary

Issue: Flickering screen through component cable.
Solution: Disable Green Fix

Issue: Progressive Scan outputs top-right portion of the image at the bottom-left of the screen.
Solution: Disable Colour Correction and Macrovision Fix

NiGHTS into Dreamcast

Finally!, a Thread with a happy ending!, Hurrah!!

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!