Why are sony being so tight with information on the playstation 3?

November...
I hope they make it up by making Twilight Princess the best damn video game ever created! If not then I' ll never buy another Nintendo game. Ever!

Oh it will be, that' s for certain. At least until Mario 128 (128?!) arrives!

Quez, Twilight Princess is down for November, around the same time as Revolution (N5).

It' s not N5.

There' s no release date for Twilight Princess (not even a clue) -it' s all speculation

So is the PS3 launch date for Europe or any other region.

Now it is ok to speculate but telling people things like that as facts is nonsense.

Zelda? what a over-hyped and disapointing franchise. Yes OOT was a good game, wind waker was a bore. And twilight princess looks to be more of the same. Its not that i hate the games, i played through most of them, its just i never seen the appeal of the titles. why pick this when you have games that do better? SOC beats it hands down.

And I given up hope of Nintendo ever making another *good* 3d mario game. Mario 64 was great becuase it was the first, people are never going to admit mario 128 is better, I dont think they can ever top it.

off topic? oh yea

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

It' s not Revolution either!

Err, didn' t Best-Buy email people who had it pre-owned an tell them November 10th?

Then some goon emailed 1up saying Best-Buy had sent out another email correcting the date to April 1st (April Fools day). But Best-Buy now have down 2nd May.

Some places have it slated for June too though so obviously nobody actually knows. Maybe we won' t have to wait until November afterall!

I hope we don' t have to wait too, but I can' t see it being released anytime soon.

It' s more likely that Nintendo will use E3 to show more of the game, having more exciting areas playable to build back up the hype, and then releasing the game in time for the holiday season.

The way I see it is that Nintendo will need to have it released near the launch of the Revolution in order to maximise sales. Cube exclusive titles haven' t done too well as of late, but with Revolution being fully compatible, I guess they' ll use that to push it towards early adopters of it' s new platform.

November would be the holiday season right Kyo?

The way I see it is that Nintendo will need to have it released near the launch of the Revolution in order to maximise sales. Cube exclusive titles haven' t done too well as of late, but with Revolution being fully compatible, I guess they' ll use that to push it towards early adopters of it' s new platform.

Almost exactly what i said. Glad SOME people see that it' s logical. Twilight Princess would sell Revolution to people who either didn' t have Gamecubes, or had one but sold/traded it...

i really think that nintendo needs to go back to basics, in terms of their mario franchise, who remembers mario world 3, that racoon suit was freakin awesome, and i haven' t been able to shoot fireballs since super mario world (nah, super smash bros doesn' t count)

and as for zelda, i' m still gettin through majora' s mask, i just got rid of my n64 so it makes me all sad inside, ah well, a couple more months and i' ll have it on virtual console. how was wind-waker, worth the trouble? i' ve heard mixed results from people.

Nintendo will do good this time around. Most gamers will have either a PS3 + Rev or a 360 + Rev, besides the ones that have all three or both. I know Im getting a Rev.

Ginjirou, you said that if someone wants a 360 they should buy it now. I read on an article that apparently part of the reason of why the production of xbox is slow is because recently they found out that some (no numbers given) of the gddr3 ram cards are faulty, as in they don' t work at the speed they are supposed to, and some don' t function properly (this is not MS' s fault as they don' t make the ram cards, but another company does and I forgot its name). So this might explain, just might, the reason why some people have been experiencing problems with the 360, the freezing up and stuff. Now they are sorting out the bad ram cards from the good ones and the process of production should be speeding up soon. If it was me, I wouldn' t pick up a 360 just yet.

What you guys are saying about Sony' s " plans" make a lot of sense. I was thinking that too. Make people hold out so they don' t buy the 360, and maybe, just maybe, lie about the PS3 being soo expensive, so when launch time comes around it will take the competition by surprise cuz it will be very much affordable. I guess we' ll have to wait and see, we should know by E3 if they plan to release in Japan any time soon after that.

But is a current-gen game, as Twilight Princess is, going to sell good for a next-gen system? Even though the Revolution is supposed to be less about graphics and more about gameplay, the graphics still matter to most people. I think many will be turned off by the current-gen graphics. If they want to release it when it can boost Rev sales then they should just give up on the Gamecube and make some better graphics.
But that would give them another problem as GC owners would feel they' ve been let down. Nintendo has previously been known for quality and reliability but if they start flip flopping like this with release dates and choice of console then they' ll defenately loose parts of their fan base.

There' s nothing wrong with the 360' s components, that' s just bullshit.

The reason for the apparant lack of available units is completely tactical on Microsofts part. Next month, just as we are due to not only get a range of big games but a big Live update aswell more machines are set to be made available.

Microsoft know that Sony isn' t close to launching so don' t really have to worry too much. Having units on the shelves and loads in stock would ' look' bad, like they weren' t selling. But make pockets of them available every few weeks and it creates hype for the console.

The other reason for the availability issue is that it was launched worldwide and need to satisfy both Europe and the States (because lets face it, Japan doesn' t want to know yet). Usually console launches are staggard which allows demand to be met.

As far as Sonys' plan goes, it' d tard-talk. Ofcourse they will exaggerate about their own console to try and stop people buying 360' s (they ARE asking people to wait a considerable length and why shouldn' t people cinsider buying Microsofts unit?), buy they wouldn' t lie about it being expensive to fool anyone.

That' s rubbish and the talk of fanatical fanboys! The unit will cost a fair amount to make because of the technology that' s in it, so they will have to sell it at a high price. It' s that simple!

Affordable is what Revolution will be, and 360 will seem reasonable when PS3 launches. Blu-Ray alone adds $100+ to the manufacturing cost of every console. How much do you think 360s' DVD drive costs? Fuck all, that' s what. So you take the $100+, then you take into account the cost of the ACTUAL console components themselves and you' ll get a price that will begin to look much LESS affordable than you might like.

Sony KNOW PS3 will sell for whatever they charge, and they' ll cost Sony tons to manufacture the damn things. Why would you even consider that it might be cheaper than what SONY already said?!

Nonsense!

360 isnt in that bad supply, i can walk down to my local gamestop and buy a 360 easy. Its probley just america + uk where the supply shortage is majorly going on.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Err, where do you live?

360' s are available in abundance on the net, but as soon as high-street shops get them in (UK) they' re sold within minutes.

Loads will be available mid-March, just in time for the big games!

I am Irish, while we did have a short supply at the beginning, its not a problem now though.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

Ha, IRISH! My whole name is Irish (Liam Riley)...

And, did you get a 360 yet?

Zelda? what a over-hyped and disapointing franchise. Yes OOT was a good game, wind waker was a bore. And twilight princess looks to be more of the same. Its not that i hate the games, i played through most of them, its just i never seen the appeal of the titles. why pick this when you have games that do better? SOC beats it hands down.

OOT is good that' s for sure - it' s No 1 game of all times on Gamerankings (even today).Some people just don' t get it I guess - I think Wind Waker was amazing.
Twilight is awesome - I played the demo ...I' m so in love with it :)

Err, didn' t Best-Buy email people who had it pre-owned an tell them November 10th?

Who the fuck is Best Buy? Some kind of Oracle? Seriously man :)

The way I see it is that Nintendo will need to have it released near the launch of the Revolution in order to maximise sales.

Sure 100% agreed - but doesn' t change anything - it' s still speculation.
The fact is MAjik - we don' t know and Best Buy can tell you anything you want - they don' t know either :)

but doesn' t change anything - it' s still speculation

Yep, but it was only my opinion. This whole thing is based on speculation.

Most of it comes from badly translated interviews from foreign Nintendo mags, where nothing other than loose time frames were thrown around by the company.

We really should know more about when Zelda is coming out at the moment.

Ha, IRISH! My whole name is Irish (Liam Riley)...

And, did you get a 360 yet?

I may be Irish but i ant rich.No i didnt get one, I would also need a nice hdtv to play it on, which i dont have. To think about it, i am about 3 years behind everybody else becuase of my budget.

oh well, I can buy one for you if you want. of course with your money and a small fee.
Naturally

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

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ORIGINAL: Silentbomber

Zelda? what a over-hyped and disapointing franchise. Yes OOT was a good game, wind waker was a bore. And twilight princess looks to be more of the same. Its not that i hate the games, i played through most of them, its just i never seen the appeal of the titles. why pick this when you have games that do better? SOC beats it hands down.

I never bought a N64 since I really prefered the Saturn and loved the PS1. So I actually played through Ocarina of Time for the first time in 2005. Strange maybe, but even though lots of amazing titles and consoles have been released since the days of OOT, I still loved it and I put it on my top 5 list right away. Now that says something about the game. The gameplay is so great that it can be appreciated as much as current gen games (even more) even though it was released more than five years ago. And this is something that goes with all Zelda games.
Wind Waker was a great game in every way.

what does it mean 3 years behind everyone else?

What are you playing now ? :)

PS2 probably... :P

oh well, I can buy one for you if you want. of course with your money and a small fee.
Naturally

LOL!

I already got one, ...but thanks anyway. And you don' t need a HDTV, it helps but isn' t a must!

Just sell your soul dude, ...Microsoft might take it...

I never bought a N64 since I really prefered the Saturn and loved the PS1. So I actually played through Ocarina of Time for the first time in 2005. Strange maybe, but even though lots of amazing titles and consoles have been released since the days of OOT, I still loved it and I put it on my top 5 list right away.

Same here - I got N64 when I had DC.I couldn' t stand those 10/10 reviews (goldeneye , Perfect Dark , Zelda OoT , MM , Mario and other great games like Beetle Adventure Racing)
Majora' s MAsk is even better - it just rocked my world - this and shenmue.

If he' s playing PS2 I have no idea why would he want X360 right now

I mean I' m catchin up with some huge titles for PS2 right now and it' s quality gaming while 360 is just starting its career (and it' s not a great start).

There' s no rush when it comes to 360 - things will only get better with time :)

But Gangsta, do you have a 360?! Have you played PGR3 online? Or DoA4?

Next month and in April, when things 360 related really kick off, that' ll be the time to get Microsofts' console.

March and April should give us these:

Fight Night Round 3
Scarface: The World is Yours
Saint' s Row
Burnout Revenge
Tom Clancy' s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
The Outfit
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Far Cry Instincts Predator
Battlefield 2: Modern Combat
Moto GP 2006
Monster Madness
Prey
Top Spin 2

All of those games promise to be better than the launch titles (i did really enjoy Kameo and CoD2 though...and DoA4 is superb!). I think that one or two of those are worth buying the 360 for on their own. Prey & Moto GP 2006 online?! Err yes please!!!

Then there is a Live update headed our way that may or may not include a DirecTV blade, but should certainly include Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting.


The PS2 is a great console and is definately worth keeping/playing/buying new games for, ...but it' s also a very cheap console now, with very cheap games (which is obviously a great thing) so why not buy a 360?! It isn' t THAT expensive

There may not be a rush as you put it, but if you' ve got the money then it' s worth buying and enjoying HD goodness. DoA4 makes me feel all fuzzy inside!

For me only Ghost recon,oblivion and top spin 2 is the intresting games...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

But Gangsta, do you have a 360?! Have you played PGR3 online? Or DoA4?

I' ll play those in 2007 I guess since when I' m done with PS2 I' ll have to catch up with my Nintendo Gaming (GCN - Metroid 2 , Pikmin 2 and other titles I' ve missed).

I' m not a huge HD follower - my TV is SDTV and I don' t mind.Sure I' d love to have a better one - but it' s cool as it is.

360 doesn' t offer as much as current gen systems (at least for me since I have some AAA titles unplayed) at the moment and for about 5 months from now this won' t change drastically.

It is cool - but I' m in no hurry to get it - time can only help both the gaming content and price - not to mention some polished well made versions of the system itself(I won' t get no warranty so I need my system to work well)

Saying that, some people work too i guess. I work in a bar on the weekend but my student loan covers pretty much everything else. Because i' m doing a games development course, i play games.

I' ve tried to keep on top of pretty much everything current gen, although i do still have a couple of titles to play through. I bought all the launch games for the 360 and haven' t touched any of the sport ones at all, i even gave 2 away. But next month is gonna be a big and busy month for me.

I' ve pre-ordered 5 of the games listed on the previous page and will likely buy the rest from play.com as soon as i' ve seen good things written about them. I made the mistake of buying King Kong, Gun and American Wasteland and didn' t enjoy any of them. Certainly not as much as i should have done, and i payed £50 for each of them so that was foolish on my part.

I still haven' t finished Amped 3...

I haven' t even started amped 3 pickedit up and couldn' t really be bothered after memories of amped 2. By the way did sony recently say something along the lines of that information on their console is being further delayed because of copy right issues and something to do with a delay in production of the system' s video chip and problems with heat generation?. If so how long more will they need considering they' ve had a lot of time.

I made the mistake of buying King Kong, Gun and American Wasteland and didn' t enjoy any of them. Certainly not as much as i should have done, and i payed £50 for each of them so that was foolish on my part.

Well I guess you can afford foolish - cause every review says those are crap.

That was my point. I said...

I' ve pre-ordered 5 of the games listed on the previous page and will likely buy the rest from play.com as soon as i' ve seen good things written about them.

Meaning that i don' t want to make the same mistake again. They are crap, i know that, that' s what i was getting at..

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I' ll play those in 2007 I guess since when I' m done with PS2 I' ll have to catch up with my Nintendo Gaming (GCN - Metroid 2 , Pikmin 2 and other titles I' ve missed).

Have you skipped a Metroid Prime title? One of the only two that has ever been made? Have you not played one of the greatest games that Nintendo has ever created? My God!
Ok, it' s not as groundbreaking as the first but it' s still soooo good. Only bad thing in the game is the multiplayer. The singleplayer is as near perfect as you can get.

Oh, so Twilight princess HAS slipped afterall. I said it would!

While there is still no official date, i would say November sounds about right. I am beginning to get suspicious now as to whether it WILL actually release on Gamecube though. I mean, it' s not exactly going to sell many Gamecubes is it?! It' ll sell more Revolutions than it will Gamecubes, ...but, it would sell even more Revolutions if the game itself was given an overhall between now and its' release, and it showed up as a Revolution launch title rather than a Gamecube game that you can play on you Revolution.

If they pumped it up to a Revolution title, it would not only be the perfect flagship Revolution title, enabling them to show off the hardware from a graphics perspective and the controller from a gameplay perspective, but it would also probably be the greatest launch game ever, superceding even Mario 64!

It' s funny how often you congratulate yourself :)

Sure it' s delayed - everyone knows that -it is TBA since they said it' s delayed.

Funny thing is you don' t really know what a fact is - it' s a fact for instance that Twilight Princess is a GCN game.It will sell lot' s of Revolution systems cause it' s compatible - and this way it hits a huge userbase of Nintendo fans.
It' s been confirmed every time and on DICE as well.

Facts are Facts - and knowing that ,helps people on forums distinguish truth from fantasy.

Meaning that i don' t want to make the same mistake again. They are crap, i know that, that' s what i was getting at..

No what I meant is don' t you read reviews ?

You were boasting before that you get systems with all their launch titles - why?
You must realise how many crappy games are out among killerapps.
Reviews? :)

Ginjirou - Yeah I skipped Echoes - I sold GCN at the time Echoes was out (Don' t worry I will definitely finish it) :)

Yeah i usually read reviews, usually. I just didn' t with regard to the 360, ...not that i really mind. If i decide not to play them they' ll make half decent gifts for somebody..

hehehe

You could be giving them to you enemies for birthday - they' d think " hmm he' s not that bad after all" and then they would suffer terrible pain hehehe HAHAHHAHA HUAHUAHAUAHAUHU THAT IS SO CRUEL !!!

Eghem ...where was I ...oh yeah ...ee ...bye

^5 Gangsta, i like it ;P

Have Merrill Lynch EVER been right?! I hope not because they have pubished a report predicting the launch of the PlayStation 3 could be delayed by 6 to 12 months from its current 2006 window, resulting in a September/October launch in Japan and a late 2006 or early 2007 launch in the US.

Most of us expect the unti to slip anyway but the possibility that it could be delayed in the US into next year?! That' d be bad news!

Now before i get a load of " wtf are you listening to anaylsts for, ....blah, blah, blah" ect, the industry, and more importantly company shareholders listen to them. They DO have an air of credibility.

It' s no secret that the report sent Sony stocks in Japan and on Wall Street sinking this week, falling by 3.6 percent and 2.8 percent respectively.

They said...

" Our updated analysis indicates that the initial bill of [production] materials for PS3 could approach US$900"

They also said that the production cost of a single Cell processor will be US$230 at launch, with the Blu-ray drive setting Sony back US$350 per unit. If that estimate is correct, that means the PS3 would have to sell for around US$775-US$800 to maintain a US$125-US$100 per-unit-loss similar to that of Microsoft' s Xbox 360.

That seems a little high to me but it' s possible. Other analysts have followed suit and come up with a figure around the US$800 mark. It sounds like a lot, but that would be £458 in the UK, and the original Playstation launched at £400!!!

A pricetag of £400 is about right for the UK.

Analysts are a fuckin waste of air - those guys haven' t been right for 20 years (unless ofcourse something was obvious enough to ANALYSE it right)

:)

Hmmm to be honest these speculations are based on some research I guess - it seems like it' s not entirely crap ...And that would be fuckin terrible.

We will see...
Sony might spend extra money this gen to try and take out microsoft xbox360 out.
Once and for all so they dont have to beother with them any more...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.