I' ve just finished BLACK demo for the 3rd time and ...

This game (BLACK) is just sooooo O V E R H Y P E D.

Guns? People at Criterion say they made guns very well and that guns are the main characters of this game.Cool , however even games like killzone have weapons done much better and reload much better plus shoot much better.

Gameplay? Typical EA quality - not too low ,not too high(destruction is nice but feels very ...artificial and unreal mostly)

Graphics? - GOOD -that' s it.Very smooth framerate (but it shouldn' t suffer since the visual side isn' t based on eyecandy).

Huge dissapointment for me , but to say the game is bad is a misunderstanding - it really is good, just don' t expect it to be the best FPP ever (not even the best fpp for PS2).

So I take it you' re not looking forward to the sequel, WHITE?

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Actually I loved the prequel where they introduced both characters (BLACK & WHITE) - the title was IKARUGA :)

Actually you may be speaking a little too early. The indications were, originally, that it was just a mindless blaster with a weak plot. It isn' t.

You can' t tell much from the demo, but the best way to understand what i' m saying is to read this...

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/684/684658p1.aspx

But to say that Killzone has better modelled weapons, i don' t get that. Nothing on PS2 has weapons as good as these...







Random cartridge ejection, accurate weight/size modelling, superb steel & wood textures, ...it' s all in there.

It' s definately going to be a good game.

not better modeled weapons - they' ve put much more time into making weapons than guys from EA (it is clear the moment you play it)

I don' t need your screenshots :) - I played it - it didn' t look that good , not on PS2

IGN gives into the hype very often.

All I' m saying that all the good things I heard about it are not true.
I' m not even waiting for it anymore.

Maybe not on your SDTV they don' t look like that. I on the otherhand was blown away by what they' ve managed to get out of PS2 as far as Black is concerned. Killzone sucked, plain and simple. The one time supposed ' Halo Killer' turned out to be a decent looking but rubbish to play shooter.

The weapons in Black are virtual replicas of actual guns, the weapons in Killzone arent. While i can kina see you point about them putting more effort in, they had to because the weapons in Killzone don' t exist. You' ve seen most of the weapons portrayed in Black 100 times over in different games, the Rainbow Six games for example.

The simple fact of the matter is that Black ' looks' , ' feels' , ' handles' and ' plays' better than Killzone does. Don' t get me wrong, Killzones art direction was unbelievably good, far surpassing even Halos' , but it wasn' t put into play anywhere near how it could have been.

Anyway, PS2 looks like it may be getting Killzone 2 before 3 is released for PS3 so perhaps that will be a better game.

Killzone





Black





Which demo did you play by the way?

The simple fact of the matter is that Black ' looks' , ' feels' , ' handles' and ' plays' better than Killzone does

The simple fact of the matter is that Black ' looks' , ' feels' , ' handles' and ' plays' better than Killzone does

It looks OK , FEELS nice when you walk and aim , handles WELL and PLays OK - forget about killzone (yes I know this game lacked in a lot of areas) for a minute - what I' m saying about Black is " IT ISN' t the FPS REVOLUTION they claim it to be"

It' s got EA written all over it - it' s bad or good depending on who you ask.

It has EA on the title screen and probably on the box.

It' s supposed to be fun (which it is..in droves!)

It' s a Criterion game and they pretty much perfected particle effects on PS2 (as seen in their other game ' Burnout Revenge' ).

It' s been built up as the media and people have garnered their expectations from that. Ok so saying that the guns are the main characters makes the game sound shallow, but i' ll reserve my judgement until i play the full thing through. I' m intrigued by the whole ' it' s actually more like CoD2 than a mindless blaster' thing.

There are only a couple of good fps' on PS2 (Timesplitters: Future Perfect is rubbish), with the best in my book being Timesplitters 2, Darkwatch and Project Snowblind. BLACK looks like it' s going to be better than any of them.

Different strokes i guess..

Darkwatch was a cool game - I finished it on Xbox - I think it' s much more fun than shit like Far Cry - that game is so uncool to play - those looks won' t save it in my eyes.(it actually is very good until you get a weapon :) )

Far Cry: Instincts does look nice, and it' s a huge game but the physics are terrible. I enjoyed the original version of PC and i' ll likely get Far Cry: Predator on 360 and hope it' s better than the Xbox version..



It looks ok. Here' s hoping that this is an early build and it' ll loom even better after they' ve optimized it for the hardware.

Darkwatch was great, i hope they do another..

...i really want this game to be good..

...but..

..lots of people who have played the 4 minute demo say it' s more or less all hype...

..and there' s no blood in it... ...what' s the point in making a game supposedly about hyper real, real-world weapons, if they don' t produce any red stuff in enemies?....

...stupid...

..i was just beginning to get excited about this game too... ...the guys at Criterion seem so confident in their ability to accurately simulate real-world guns..

..so what has gone wrong?..

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Goldeneye and the Perfect Dark games don' t have blood in them...

WRONG

Perfect Dark was one of the bloodiest games of it' s time - blood stays on walls , doors and it looks amazing.

But the point is right - Goldeneye and PD 64 had incredible animations that made you feel those bullets packed in your enemies.

Blood isn' t the thing responsible for gameplay - but it sure as hell is a welcomed addition.The " bullets-character" interaction is what makes you feel like you really killed somebody ...shit they could lock me up for this :)

Apprently Gangsta is a noob,who think the game is overhyped,i mean the game is so popular in the media how can it not be hyped right then?(using his extremly dumb arguments).

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

That would mean you don' t know what HYPE is.

When someone says he' s going to revolutionise the FPP genre and make the Burnout of FPP games - that' s hype

if the game can' t live up to it - then it makes it an overhyped game

If I were you I' d try making more sense when it comes to language itself - you don' t even bother to be understandable in most of your posts.

It Doesn' t matter if some fool calls me a noob - it would mean more if someone actually respected you here ...I mean at least a bit.

" IF the game cant live up to it" that is up to the players opinions.
They promised a revolutionze experience with dq8 that used cell shading,and Abo did not get it,and then he was wrong by your thoughts,once again you make no sense.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Quez, ...you' re wierd!

...actually, having just checked 20 of IGN' s QUICKTIME movies, the guns do seem to be very well done....

...but..

...why the same old same old?....

...apart from the UZI, (fantastic) and maybe the MP5, the rest seem... ...boring..?

.....i just hope the game has a large number of varied weapons available to the user...

...the lack of blood will always be missed... ..and I' m sure Goldeneye and PD would have been even better if the creators had paid more attention to such realism...

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Goldeneye and PD would have been even better if the creators had paid more attention to such realism...

in that case you should play goldeneye to see how cool it is and then check PD to see that it' s not better thanks to blood , but just as awesome- but the realism is always welcomed - especially if it' s red :)

" IF the game cant live up to it" that is up to the players opinions.

Yes - and I' m a player who' ve played the game you fool.

I haven' t heard anyone saying about revolutionizing DQ - but it is a huge step(graphics) after dated looks of DQ7.

He' s not weird - he' s a fuckin retard - and for them it' s completely normal.

... hmmm.. *after more video scrutiny*

...visually this game is very impressive...

...but.. ..blood.. ..maybe it' s just the vampire in me but...

...can you imagine how totally AWESOME this game would of been, if it had Resi4 style blood and exploding heads?...

...I' m so pissed!! .... I DEMAND THAT CRITERION DELAY THIS GAMES RELEASE AND PUT THE FRIGGIN GORE IN!!!!

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I dont think this game needs any blood. Mercenaries diddnt have any blood and that was a good game.

...i believe that it can only add to gameplay...

....it just feels... ..so..

...satisfying... ... to blow some one' s head off with a shotgun.. ..you know?...

...don' t tell me you didn' t like doing that in Resi 4....

...and what about the endless moans from Europe over Ninja Gaiden' s original decapitation free release??.....

....Black' s sales WILL suffer because of this...

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I' d imagine the lack of blood is just due to this being the demo, so it doesn' t need to be submitted for an age rating. Considering the effort they' re putting into realising the guns and their effects, this is one time where I think blood is important. But if it' s sanitised, it' s no big loss as long as it plays alright.

It' s annoying when games sell just for containing gore... so ridiculous - but it' s a stage all boys (and some girls?!) go through.

It' s not an EA game, they' re only publishing - sure they own Criterion now, but still. And this whole EA bashing thing is getting old - sure on some levels they' re the devil (Need for Speed, Fifa Street), but they' re due respect in other areas (e.g. publishing We Love Katamari in the UK).

Oh, and ]Gangsta[ - FPP? (First Person Perspective?)

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/686/686935p1.aspx

Heres a podcast interview with one of the producers of BLACK. It should clear up why Criterion decided not to put multiplayer and blood into the game.

I think it' s clear they want to get a T rating or anything below MAture Content to hit more consumers.

... Hogg.. ...i was listening to that when i when i was downloading those QUICKTIME gameplay clips...

..you know what?.. ..IT JUST DON' T WASH...

....just don' t wash dude...

....we don' t expect over-the top-gore... just R E A L I S M ...

..the dude was trying to make out like they were too cerebral a developer to bother with blood, but he was just totally CHATTING SH*T...

... WHEN YOU SHOOT SOME-ONE IN THE HEAD REPEATEDLY WITH A FAMMAS MACHINE-GUN THEY BLEED!!! YOU F*CKS!!! HOW SIMPLE IS THAT????

...he was just trying to cover up the fact that they wanted to release a piss poor watered down game your three year old brother could buy, as gangsta said...

...he didn' t even try to give a proper explanation.. ..all he did was exaggerate...

...the English have a suitable word for his ilk...

.... wanker.. ...i believe...

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...the English have a suitable word for his ilk...

.... wanker.. ...i believe...

That' s the one!

HEHEHEH :)

It' s EA right so why should they try harder? :)

What I don' t get is how just removing the gore makes it suitable for younger players... you' re still shooting people in the face with realistically modelled weapons. :s

yeah and if you don' t say cum or sperm you can have kids watch your movie - WTF? :)


Those ratings are so stupid.pointing a gun at somebody and smoking his ass without blood can make your kid think " wow those are not humans who walk the streets - they don' t even bleed...I suppose I could kill them all"

sure that' s a stupid thought but on those jerks level.

Well i' ve not got to play it yet, and i' m not a big fan of the fps genre but i am looking forward to giving this game a spin. Honestly the lack of blood doesn' t bother me at all, why add more bits to the game that would probably slow the ps2 version down, it' s already impressive as it is. (Yeah i' m being dramatic, right?)

Besides i guess... At least they die... better they die than bleed, rather than bleed but don' t die. I too dislike EA and the buying of Criterion, and for me the burnout series was crap after 2 (then EA bought them) but hopefully EA didn' t have much/anything to do with Black.

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After playing the demo I can tell you that EA had a lot to do with that game :)

I also didn' t like B3,B4 to much - when it comes to arcade racers I' m more of a Ridge Racer / Outrun 2 guy :)

Ridge Racer? YUK!!

Ridge Racer Type 4 was utter genius but the games since then (other than the gorgeous and perfect PSP version) have been awful, culminating with the beautiful but still naff RR6!

The Burnout games are just fun. I didn' t like Takedown but adore Revenge (the clip recording/uploading feature that will be in the 360 version is gonna be cool). Some poeple see it the other way around but Revenge is almost a different game, and just better all round.

Outrun 2 is amazing and i can' t wait for the PSP version!

I' ve just finished playing through the first two levels of Black and I like it so far. The aiming/control mechanism could use a little more work, and no not everything is destructible. The story is interesting but it feels detached from the gameplay, so it' s basically just a run and gun. There is no jump or use button, that' s the kinda game it is. it looks good. One thing though which totally pisses me off is that enemies are so hard to kill. If you can get a headshot (half of ur health will go away trying to aim to the head) then instant death, otherwise u have to shoot them several, as in not 2-3 times, more like 5+ times so they can die. it' s weird in that perspective. you can put a silencer on the AK, hah! Game looks good though. the environments, the forest level (second level) is very well done.

Didn' t like Burnout takedown or revenge, or any ride racer games i played, though i' d be hardpressed to tell you which ones they are.

Outrun 2 was good, but it was a million times better than the xbox version, but perhaps i didn' t give the console version long enough.

But then... I' m still waiting for a decent version of Daytona to come home... a nice arcade port of 1 and 2 would be great. 50player over live or ps hub.. even better

Killer: Let me guess... Xbox version right:

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Outrun 2 was good, but it was a million times better than the xbox version, but perhaps i didn' t give the console version long enough.

It had amazing mission mode - I love this game :)

As for RR - I hate RR5 and haven' t played RR6 - but RRT4 and PSP version is just what I like.

I don' t care for the PSP version of Outrun 2 - this game shouldn' t land anywhere else but 360 with arcade perfect conversion at least - it' s just so beatiful :)

KiLLeRotherwise u have to shoot them several, as in not 2-3 times, more like 5+ times so they can die. it' s weird in that perspective.

...yeah I' ve seen that in clips.. it' s dumb if you ask me...

...it seems to totally destroy the sense of authenticity the makers would have you believe was so important to them...

...blasting a enemy around a room with a shotgun, point blank... ...finally the foe gets tired of being shot and decides to take a nice long nap..

...do you think Criterion will add the much needed red mist to the 360 version, along with new extras like multiplayer...?

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As for RR - I hate RR5 and haven' t played RR6 - but RRT4 and PSP version is just what I like.

Amen brother!

Although i HAVE played (and own) 6 and i hate it just as much as 5!!!

yeah uumai, the xbox version. My xbox is obviously modded.
yeah it' s weird, no blood. still, fix the damn killing thing. I mean I know they have kevlar and shit, but goddamn if they' re trying to make it more real, then make it so I won' t have to waste half of my AK clip on them, so they can die.

and there' s some enemies that carry only the shotgun you get, and they have a metal mask on, good luck killing them with an ak. U shoot them in the head (headshot) and they fall, and get back up. u need a full clip just for one guy, and about 2-3 shotgun shots.

visually it' s very impressive, I like the engine they used in burnout, and i like this too. when u reload, the background kinda bloors, giving the impression that your character is focusing on the gun, which is not blurred. the sounds are well done, the explosions are sick, they look really really good. anyway, gotta go, ciao