Which current Gen system do you like best?

Everyone of us no matter how objective , has some preferences so just write that one system you like the most and think was the best that generation.No need to say why - that gives birth to fights :)

Ofcourse if you didn' t play at least 3 or more AAA titles on all systems you should state that you didn' t have much experience with other platforms and such.

I think that MS has a huge fanbase on Kikizo and I want to see if I' m right :)

Gooooooooooo MICROSOFT!!!

No, ....goooooooooo SONY!!!

Sh1t wait, ....goooooooooo Sega!!!

Man, since technically the Dreamcast was a current-gen console (128bits like PS2) then i vote DREAMCAST!!!

DREAMCAST

(somehow I knew your post will be the first here:) )

Always just after your dude (where possible)

Despite the fact I' ve got loads of games I love for my PS2 I like my X-Box the best. Maybe it' s the fact that it makes all 3rd party games love the best and maybe it' s the fact that I think Sony are too cocky.

Consoles:

Hardware-wise I LOVE the GameCube system the most.. Whenever there are multiplatform game releases for all three consoles I always buy the GameCube version.

Games-wise, no contest, PlayStation 2 runs away with the prize. It has everything of everything.

Portables: PSP

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

Hardware:
Xbox, no contest. It has the best sound that has ever emanated from any videogame system ever anywhere. Only the Xbox360 can match the sound of this monster. The Xbox is also the most powerful of the 3 when it comes to graphics, and you can easily tell. Hell, it can even do HDTV resolutions and is the system that' s most often in progressive scan and widescreen. In addition you can modify a few files on the Xbox hard drive without even opening the case and suddenly your Xbox is streaming movies, music, and pictures to your TV from your PC in AMAZING quality! You can even play MAME games on your TV through the XBOX. Freakin' awesome. Nothing compares.

Games:
They all pretty much suck. I do like gems like Super Monkey Ball and F-Zero GX, so I' ll give the Gamecube this one, but only by a hair. The PS2 and Xbox versions of Super Monkey Ball suck due to the crappy control.

Portables:
The DS, no contest. The games are actually FUN on this thing! A first for any portable ever!

Yeah the Xbox beats both the PS2 and the Gamecube in terms of performance and i can see what you' re saying about getting the Gamecube versions of multi-platform titles (except Chaos Theory), but i have been impressed with what developers are managing to get out of PS2 so late in it' s life. It' s a shame they didn' t push Xbox to its limits really.

I was blown away with the Gamecube version of RE4, i honestly see it as a next-gen game for a current gen system, but i was equally impressed by the PS2 version which might not look quite as nice but is a healthy port and one of PS2s finest games.

Nintendo always under-rate their systems before launch and even Rogue Squadron 2 wasn' t supposed to be possible the way Nintendo put things. Gamecube has some superb games!

BUT, i still love my Dreamcast. I was soooooo pissed that publishers didn' t give it more support...

ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on

It' s a shame they didn' t push Xbox to its limits really.

I think I have an idea of why we haven' t seen the same limit pushing thing with the Xbox. This has been said like a million times and it has been said about the 360 and the PS3 as well.
The PS2 is difficult to develop games for (or was it difficult SDKs? Whatever!) and therefor it takes a lot of produced games before developers learn to actually make a technically impressive game. The Xbox on the other hand was very easy to develop for/had good SDKs and so they could get the maximum results on day one. Ok, maybe not day one but you get the idea. So there' s your reason. But I have to say that Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 are pretty impressive.

Dreamcast rules!
...but so does the GC...
...and the PS2 was pretty damn good to.
Then we have the Xbox that was very impressive.
Damn why do we have to choose? It' s the same thing as having two of your best friends kidnapped by a murderer that only wants to kill one of them so he forces you to choose which one to kill.

Maijk that DC is so cool - check mine (don' t try to understand the description though)

>My DC<<

I' m selling it at the moment :)

I had my Xbox modded and exploited to the fullest - with NEO GEO roms and MAME and even N64 roms just to see it working - same for PSX.

Now that I have PS2 Slim I can apreciate a quiet and small system.I' ve noticed that every game I played on it (killzone,Dragon Quest VIII , GT4 , SoulCalibur 3) runs in true widescreen - something that not many Xbox games do (Halo,KOTOR,Jade Empire and so on) - it really feels like my TV is being used now.

Xbox can definitely do some cool things just like PC only X has a controller and is always hooked up to your TV.

Having that said I really don' t think there was one system this generation that you could own without bitching - game addicts couldn' t have one system this gen.

Definately not, that' s why i buy them all, usually with all the launch games.

I loved the idea behind Bleemcast, it made Playsstation games look much better than they were on Playstation. I thought it was hilarious that Sony never even won the lawsuit too.

Oh and ginjirou, i think you hit the nail on the head there. Makes you wonder though, whether they could actually get more out of Xbox if they tried. Not that there' s much need now, with 360 being here.

Now, ...do i play DoA4 or God of War????

Fuck it, RE4 Mercenaries mode methinks!

ps2 by far, i don' t understand people who say DC, the console is very good but it was horribly lacking of AAA titles, although a lot of good games , 90% of the good games were ports from the arcade, you call that a console ??

gamecube, man that' s even worse, i think everybody will agree here that game cube cannot be the best current gen console, even if it has some very very few excellent games, that can' t make it the best....

xbox, keeping the " xbox live" aside, if you own a decent pc today, you don' t really have to choose xbox over a PS2, x box is surely the most powerful console but there were few exemples where it demonstrated teh diference between ps2... xbox lacks of JAP supports and for me this is too bad for any console... i played all xbox " good to excellent" games except for bad fur day and far cry insticnt .... but that' s not a big deal since i played bad fur day on N64 (love it) and far cry (pc)


so the winner is defintly PS2, it has almost evrything , i dare (yeah with all sony haters around here) say that ps2 is the best console ever in the history, don' t start your insult, if you don' t agree put your arguement if not that' s my damn opinion.

However,halo2,ninja gaiden,panzer dragon oorta and pgr2 is just some reasons why you should buy an xbox even if you own a pc.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Abasoufiane, like Gangsta said this isn' t an argument. There' s no heated debate, ...it' s about which system YOU prefer.

DREAMCAST ruled!!!

the console is very good but it was horribly lacking of AAA titles, although a lot of good games , 90% of the good games were ports from the arcade, you call that a console ??

Could someone kill him? ...PLEASE?

Like Maijk said - it' s not supposed to be a war - only the name of your favourite system - and we all know which one it is for you :)

ANd please don' t ever tell me you' re not a fanboy after what you wrote about all those great systems.

I G N O R A N C E is so UNCOOL

LOL!

I bloody love arcade games! Man, i loved Dreamcast for exactly that, proper arcade games in your own home!

Ok so it was too early but i don' t care, DReamcast gave me tons of great gaming memories. Stuff like; Crazy Taxi 2, Confidential Mission, Daytona USA, Unreal Tournament (which admittedly i had on PC too but who cares), Metropolis Street Racer, Guilty Gear X, Starlancer, Grandia II, Skies of Arcadia (see, ...arcade!), Shenmue/II, Jet grind Radio (Jet Set Radio), Quake III Arena (again i had on PC), Ferrari F355 Challenge, Power Stone 2 (man i spent weeks playing that with friends), Virtua Tennis, Street Fighter Alpha 3, RE: Code Veronica, MDK2, and Soul Calibur amongst others...

I would buy it all over again. It certainly wasn' t money wasted!

I' ve had/have pretty much every console since the NES/Master System era, i buy them all because i love games (hence my degree course). And while Sony HAS done a lot for the industry in terms of growth, i kinda preferred it when computer games ' weren' t' cool or whatever. It used to be about escapism, but it' s now about pure entertainment value.

Still, Gear of War and MGS4 are high on my next/this gen priorty list.

Oh and Gangsta, you' re freakin' great. Just give me a gun dude!

Dreamcast because it pwnz0rz PS2 1337 ninja style.
Puyo Puyo 4, Shenmue, Armada, San Fransisco Rush 2049 are definetly AAA titles IMO, I could list about 20 AAA titles for Dreamcast. Its really nice being able to play homebrew games and imports without modding too. Then of coures there is the loads of emulated games including PS1 games which look much better on DC. I could also list a ton of games that pwnt any other games at the time on DC but not so much anymore. And teh graphics pwnt teh PS2 games at the time. And the online play too.

My hands are still sore from when I held a PS2 controller in 2000.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

Xbox.

DOA: XBV nude code.

That is all.

There isn' t one is there?

It can be patched but there' s no code...right?

Oh, sorry! Right. Patch. Yeah.

my fav console is the xbox.

the reason ?

the controller (type S) feels like a dreamcast pad, crazy taxi 3, outrun 2, and the more clean crisp graphics. also this console gives me the best " sega feelings" compared to the current gen consoles.

the dreamcast itself is also still exelent, and will never be sold, but i can not deny the fact that not all the games where arcade perfect. daytona for instance has really touchy controlls. even after some adjusting on the analogue stick it was improved a bit, but kept on being to responsive. nonetheless, the dreamcast has games that keep me playing, so its a stayer.

playstation 2 has ofcourse also exelent games. i prefer prince of persia on the ps2 becouse of the controller is exelent for this kind of games. and games like gran turismo will never release on other consoles.

i wonder from the new generation witch console will appeal to me more. so far, i love the controller from the xbox 360 even more than the controller type S, but have never played on a other next gen console, so i will hold my judgement on that one :D

greetz,

music_maniac1965

Hmm, I have decided to choose the Nintendo Gamecube as my favourite console of this generation.
It has the greatest controller so far.
It has lots of great games, most of them from Nintendo themselves of course.
It doesn' t support DVD-playback or other media shit which I love because I buy consoles to play games.
The Metroid Prime and Zelda games are more than enough reasons to buy a GC.
Fast loading times.
Great graphics and price.
GBA connectivity.
Smallest console so far in its original size.
Very silent.

Dreamcast AAA/AA titles

Dead or alive 2
Rayman 2
Soul calibur
24 Heures Du Mans
Crazy Taxi
Jet Set Radio
Legacy Of Kain : Soul Reaver
Metropolis Street Racer Course
NBA 2K Sport
Phantasy Star Online
Quake 3 Arena Action
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing Sport
Sega GT Course
Shenmue
Shenmue 2
Skies Of Arcadia
Virtua Tennis
Virtua Tennis 2
4 Wheel Thunder Course
Alone In The Dark : The New Nightmare
Chu Chu Rocket
Ecco The Dolphin
F355 Challenge Course
Grandia 2
Marvel Vs Capcom
Mdk 2
NBA 2K2
Power Stone 2
Re-Volt Course
Resident Evil : Code Veronica
Sega Rally 2
Shadow Man
The House Of The Dead 2 Action
The Nomad Soul
Tony Hawk' s Pro Skater 2
Tony Hawk' s Skateboarding
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX
Dynamite Cop Action
Evil Twin : Cyprien' s Chronicles
Formula One World Grand Prix
Headhunter
Marvel Vs Capcom 2
Phantasy Star Online Ver.2
Power Stone
Project Justice
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing Round 2
Samba De Amigo
Sega Extreme Sports
Soldier Of Fortune
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Starlancer
Tee Off Sport
Toy Commander Action
Ultimate Fighting Championship
Vanishing Point Course
Vigilante 8 : Second Offense


PS2 (AAA/AA) games

Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3 : Snake Eater
Prince Of Persia : sands of time
Resident Evil 4
Soul Calibur 2
Soul Calibur 3
Ico
shadow of the colosseus
Dragon quest 8
Final Fantasy 10
Final Fantasy X-2
Splinter Cell
Beyond Good & Evil
God Of War
Gran Turismo 3
Gran Turismo 4
Gran theft auto 3
Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto : Vice City
Jak And Daxter
Resident Evil : Code Veronica X
Prince Of Persia : Les Deux Royaumes
Pro Evolution (winning eleven) series
Rayman 3 : Hoodlum Havoc
Silent Hill 2
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow
Tekken 4
Virtua Fighter 4
Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution
Burnout 3 : Takedown
Burnout : Revenge
Dead Or Alive 2
Def Jam Fight For NY
Def Jam Vendetta
Devil May Cry
Onimusha 2
Onimusha 3
Project Zero
Project Zero 2
Psychonauts
Hitman
Quake 3 Revolution
Ratchet & Clank
Ratchet & Clank 2
Silent Hill 3
Sly 2
Sly 3
Suikoden 3
Zone Of The Enders : The 2nd Runner
XIII
WWE Smackdown
Genji
Maximo
SSX On Tour
Star Ocean : Till The End Of Time
Tekken 5
The Mark Of Kri Combat
nBA street series
Katamri damacy
i love katamri
TimeSplitters 2
TimeSplitters 3
Shadow Hearts : Covenant
Wipeout Fusion
Viewtiful Joe
Viewtiful Joe 2
Mercenaries
Gradius V
Tenchu
Virtua Tennis 2
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing Round 2
Klonoa 2
the Mans 24 hours
Soul Reaver 2
Kingdom heart
Disgaea : Hour Of Darkness
Deus Ex
Dragon Ball Z : Budokai Tenkaichi
Guilty Gear X 2
king of fighters
madden nfl series
Xenosaga series
Alone In The Dark : The New Nightmare
Baldur' s Gate : Dark Alliance
Baldur' s Gate : Dark Alliance 2
Ratchet & Clank 3
Mortal Kombat deadly alliance


N.B i was somewhat relatively mean to PS2 relatively to DC , i didn' t include for ps2 games like tony hawk dav emira and shit or many other games that are decent , i thought the list might be doubled .... even if you really love arcad games, you might still choose PS2..

who' s the fu***ing fanboy ??? who just scream DC and sega for.....aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgh you don' t have to send anyone to kill me gangsta , when i read your post i wanted to kill myself

just answer this question, suppose you never played any current gen game, today you have to choose between two consoles PS2 or DC , what would you choose ??? just tell mee what would you choooose ? and ignore the fact that furtur games will be released on ps2...

callin me fanboy!! ignorant!!

Umm, I think you should only count exclusive titles when listing AAA titles. Only exclusives makes a console worth it.
Pop: sands of time, RE4, Soul Calibur 2, Splinter Cell are just some examples of multi-platform titles. i thought Viewtiful Joe (the first) was only released on the GC. Whatever...
Also, I can' t agree with your list but it' s a matter of preference. But that' s also why you can' t make a list like that. It could work if you choose to only include exclusive titles that has gotten an average press score of at least 8/10.
Tenchu was an AAA title to you? Mortal Kombat DA?Quake 3? Tekken 4? Rayman 3? ...whatever...
Did you forget Socom and Twisted Metal or did I just miss them? And Kengo dammit!

oh man i said AAA/AA titles just to avoid this problem of course i don' t think tenchu or rayman an AAA titles but AA yes, secondly i' m comparing DC vs PS2 , not a lot of people own 3 consoles or even 2...

Firstly, that was a STUPID post. Gangsta is absolutley right about you.

And i' d rather take...

Dreamcast



over PS2



...anyday of the week, basing it on looks alone.

Nobody' s doubting that PS2 is a great console. Gangsta has one and so do i. But this isn' t about which is better or which had more fuckin triple A titles, it' s about which console YOU like!!!

Dumbass!

Someone didn' t take his chill-pill today... again.

i didn' t know that you are talking about the loook loool

oh man i' m wasting my time with you

just answer this question, suppose you never played any current gen game, today you have to choose between two consoles PS2 or DC , what would you choose ??? just tell mee what would you choooose ? and ignore the fact that furtur games will be released on ps2...

Correct me if i' m wrong, and i' m English so i won' t be wrong because we spawned the language being used here, ....if you want people to compare the two consoles but suppose they never played any of those respective consoles games, then how else would you like them to choose one of the other?

Why the fuck are you even comparing the consoles? This thread isn' t even about that. I couldn' t give a fuck about you and your AA/AAA fuckin AAAA titles. Not everybody likes the same stuff y' know, it' s called individuality and requires a personality, which you evidently don' t!

Prat!

Awright guys, i think we all need to step away for a bit and regain our cool before the mod' s shut us down for being 2 year olds. c' mon now it' s an opinion, not facts, believe whatever you want, but for pete' s sake don' t try and continually impose your own gaming beliefs onto others.
but as for my favorite console... i don' t have one. i like games, not consoles, i' m not a sony fetish freak, i' m not an Xbox fanatic and I' m not a gamer who has a crippling reliance to nintendo. if there are good titles for a console, i' ll pick it up. not the other way around. this whole, i' ll pick up a next gen, and hope to high heaven that the launch titles blow me away stuff is a little dodgy. now granted, i' ve liked almost every launch title for 360, but the fanboy stuff is a little overkill to me.

Man, get over to gametrailers.com and check out the Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter dev diary 2. It' s a mixture of new footage (which looks superbly crisp and detailed running on 360) and the muppet lead programmer talking about the armour the characters wear. It' s worth the HD download just to see it as it should be played on 360!

http://www.gametrailers.com/e3_2k5_xb360.php?p=&letter=&start=15

Adding to my original response, I have to say that the two hardware platforms that interest me the most this gen on a *technical level* are the Dreamcast and the PlayStation 2.

The Dreamcast was a very well-designed piece of hardware that made possible some fantastic looking 2D and 3D games, as well as excellent Model 3 ports. Model 3 Step 2 was a tougher beast to tackle but it did a pretty admirable job with some of the conversions... When Dead or Alive 2 was first shown as a NAOMI/Dreamcast game it blew me away, even moreso than Soul Calibur.

And I know many won' t agree with this but the game that impressed me the most with its fantastic graphics was Ecco the Dolphin for the Dreamcast. That game raised the bar and since then no other game released on ANY platform was ever able to impress me on that level, not even Dead or Alive 4. In fact, the Dreamcast was the console that made it so later games on other platforms didn' t impress me as much. I remember going absolutely ape $hitte over the Texture maps in Sonic Adventure, lol. And regardless of how much I HATE Zombie Revenge, I was impressed by the incredibly clean visuals of the arcade version -- displayed on standard NAOMI monitors, not those other crappy ass arcade monitors.


The PS2 hardware to me is quite the enigma compared to the other platforms. Being the only one with a 128-bit CPU, along with other custom parts, I' ve always been a bit fascinated by what and how this thing works. While others may be surprised by what developers are able to pull off on it, it never surprises me as I feel the unit still has unrealized potential. In reading some tech talk about the unit, on a number of occasions I' ve come across comments about how the PS2 is better at PARTICLE effects than even the Xbox, and also recently read somewhere how it has some massive bandwidth, even approaching the levels of the Xbox 360. Don' t know how accurate those claims are but it' s still incredibly fascinating to me.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

Yeah I totally agree - I' ve bben lately talking to my cousin a gamer just like me and we agreed that nothing shocked us more with it' s next gen looks than some games for DC.

Dead or Alive 2 - DC version - still my favourite (they fucked up LEON lately) was so amazing at that time that it seemed impossible.Noone expected that huge leap I guess.Sonic was so crisp ...and colorful ...damn.Then the first fully cel shaded game - JEt Set/Grind Radio.Shenmue (that games looks fantastic even today).

Games where incredibly detailed , crisp , and clean all at the same time.Fast loading times and gorgeus looks combining oldschool with nextgen.

PS2 has muddy textures mostly , isn' t clean (far from it) but it does have some details lately :) - looked like crap to me at first - but then Xbox came out hehe.Now the PS2 slim version kicks ass.

Xbox - a bit blurry games (I guess it' s the full scene anti aliasing) , some very sharp - I think that system has a lot of games with poor " color palette" .Games seem a bit grey to me (with many exceptions mostly from Japanese Devs).
I hate both controllers for buttons and lack of " ergonomy" .
The best Audio quality system.The most PClike software on console ever.

GCN - looked silly untill black and then (beautiful) silver edition (Panasonic Q was the best looking piece of electronics I' ve ever seen) came out.Graphics are in my opinion the best on GCN (Metroid,RE4,Starfox Adventures,Wind Waker,Resident 1 and 0,Rouge Squadron and so on).It combines the power of (almost) Xbox with fantastic design of PS2 games.

It definitely lacks mediocre games (which many call 3rd party support) but I don' t play crap like that. :)

Yeah the Gamecube version of RE4 easily surpassed anything on Xbox (although Chaos Theory looked extremely impressive on Xbox and crap on Gamecube). I have both versions (GC & PS2) and i would buy a 360 port if they released it. It' s probably my favourite game...

The PS2 hardware to me is quite the enigma compared to the other platforms. I' ve always been a bit fascinated by what and how this thing works.

I' m totally blown away by the fact that it works, too! It' s like taking a Dodge engine, a Ford transmission, a Chevy frame and putting it all together with duct tape and the most expensive super glue you can find and actually getting an automobile that runs.

the Gamecube version of RE4 easily surpassed anything on Xbox

Not from my perspective. You see, I have an HDTV. Resident Evil 4, as awesome as it was, did not have true widescreen. Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube has a screen resolution of about 640x360. There are tons of true widescreen games on the Xbox (and Gamecube and even the PS2) that have a resolution of 640x480 or 720x480 which is then stretched out to a 16:9 aspect ratio resulting in a much sharper picture in widescreen. Also, the Gamecube cannot do anything above 480p (though it has way more games that run in 480p than the PS2 does) and it cannot do 5.1 sound. It can fake it with Dolby Pro Logic II, but that is really only a poor man' s 5.1 and doesn' t really compare to the real thing.

Pwning nubs pwns.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

ORIGINAL: Joe Redifer

...and it cannot do 5.1 sound. It can fake it with Dolby Pro Logic II, but that is really only a poor man' s 5.1 and doesn' t really compare to the real thing.

Joe. What is the best surround sound out right now? I' ve got an amp that does a LOT of surround modes, and it lets me choose, but I don' t know what the f*ck the difference is! Dolby, DTS, DTS: Neo! What the hell....!?

DTS has better channel separation (than DD) - that' s what they say.The best sound is definitely the DTS.

Some xbox games make incredible use of 5.1 sound (DOOM3) and then there' s the rest - about 90%.Dolby Prologic II is as good as most Xbox games DolbyDigital - which doesn' t mean that it' s a great solution , only that Xbox games have poor 5.1 :)

I hope this new generation puts my amp to a really good use.

Who cares if GCN has a lower resolution than 3-5 Xbox games? It' s not supposed to be HD anyway.Why would I care what resolution it runs in if it looks gorgeous?

Console gamers are becoming what PC freaks have been for years - Not graphics whores but specs morons.

Yeah even despite the difference in resolution i still think the Gamecube version of Resident Evil 4 looks better than pretty much all Xbox games.

DTS does not have better channel separation than Dolby Digital. What it does have is less compression. However this does not automatically mean better sound. Quite often on commercial DVDs the DTS sound mix is about 3 or 4 db louder (or even more sometimes) than the Dolby Digital mix. Why? Because the master used for the DTS was mixed that way. They could have mixed the Dolby Digital that way and it would be 3 or 4 db louder as well. If you have the SAME EXACT MIX and encode it in both Dolby Digital and DTS and switch back and forth, you will not be able to tell the difference unless you have an extremely dead room and trillion dollar speakers. Both codecs are very good. The difference between DD and DTS is like the difference between MP3 and AAC.

Usually your receiver will choose for you if you have a digital signal. Whatever the game system or DVD player or whatever outputs is what the receiver should switch to automatically if it is worth more than 10 cents. For analog sound like the Gamecube, just leave it on Dolby Pro Logic (or Dolby Pro Logic II) at all times. In Dolby Digital mode, you may have the option for Dolby Digital EX. If you have back surround speakers in addition to the left and right surrounds, turn it on and leave it on (in other words, you need a total of 8 speakers including the subwoofer to take advantage of EX). If you only have left and right surrounds and no back surrounds (ie: 5 speakers and a subwoofer), leave it off. DTS-ES is the same thing as Dolby Diigtal EX except that some ES soundtracks have a discrete back surround whereas Dolby Digital EX fakes it.

Doom 3 didn' t have a great sound mix in my opinion. In fact it was rather average for a 1st person shooter. I don' t remember any discrete subwoofer (people with wimpy sound systems usually have the low end from their main channels routed to the sub so they will THINK they are getting subwoofer noise). Halo 2 was mixed pretty poorly as well. Good mixes are Gun Valkyrie and especially Burnout Revenge. Both feature a true, discrete subwoofer channel and a center channel. Dolby Pro Logic II can' t come anywhere close to Xbox Burnout Revenge.

By the way, I do sound mixes myself in both DTS and Dolby Digital. I encode from the same multi-channel master in the best bitrate of each codec. Once all is said and done, there is usually no audible difference between Dolby Digital and DTS at all. Remeber, this is coming from aguy who has working experience with both formats... ME.

Dolby Digital does seem to play a bit more smoothly, though... as in it doesn' t tend to have a giant pause at the layer change on many players/receivers.