What is wrong with SEGA?

Is Sega fading away ?

I' ve just played SEGA Rally 2006 - what a fuckin CRAP !
I thought Shadow the Hedgehog was the worst they could get but hell no.

I love Outrun 2 - that' s the only good game released on a home console since the DC era.

Shenmue 2 for Xbox? - it' s a Dreamcast game so yeah it is amazing but nothing new , it doesn' t count.

Panzer Dragoon ORTA? great game until you get past first 3-5 levels.

VF4? Sure but check the Arcade Version and tell me why PS2 instead of Xbox since those games never sell good?

Jet Set Radio Future? Nice , but so much worse than the original.

I wish I could just play a great game from SEGA but it looks like I won' t be able to for quite some time.

Aren' t Condemned and Full Auto SEGA games? And Sonic Rush as well as Super Monkey Ball? Otogi and PSO:BB, maybe those are a little old I don' t know...
VF4 is probably exclusive for PS2 since VF and PS2 both have their biggest support in Japan.

i think sega is not the developer it used to be anymore, there is no killer app and there are some people who will not consider shenmue a killer app, sega is know for arcads titles, games you will enjoy playin with friends or just to have fun, nothing serious though... sega and specialy nowadays doesn' t match capcom, ubisoft, squarenix ... many of their titles are puuuur crap, sad thiing indeed, i hope they will come back

what i noticed recently is that japanese developers are not as good as they used to be, talking in general ...

I didn' t know Condemned was made by SEGA , OTOGI was only published by Sega. You can' t tell how good Full Auto will be.
Monkey Ball was a good game but for me it wasn' t the kind of SEGA experience I got used to when I had DC(shit I still have it :) ).

You still have DC? Then what are you whining about, just play the good old games. I mean, you' re not going to let something like aged graphics stop you right?

Full Auto sucks ass! Condemned on the other hand is fuck1n amazin!

The problem though is Sammy and the way they deal with the creative end of Sega. There' s too much regulation going on.

Sega' s game devision used to be laid out like so:

(note that the games listed are ' some' of the titles that studio has worked on and not all, ...obviously)

AM1 (Wow Enterainment) - House of the Dead series, Sega Bass Fishing series, Die Hard Arcade, Dynamite Cop.

AM2 (Sega-AM2) - Virtua Fighter series, Virtua Cop series, Daytona USA, Out Run series, Shenmue series, Space Harrier, After Burner, Ferrari F355 Challenge, Fighting Vipers.

AM3 (Hitmaker) - Crazy Taxi, Virtual On and Virtua Tennis series.

AM4 (Amusement Vision Ltd) - Super Monkey Ball series, Virtua Striker series, F-Zero GX/AX.

AM5 (Sega Rosso) - Initial D Arcade Stage series.

AM6 (Smilebit) - Jet Set Radio series, Panzer Dragoon Orta.

AM7 (Overworks) - Streets of Rage series, Shinobi series, Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star series.

AM8 (Sonic Team) - Sonic the Hedgehog, NiGHTS Into Dreams, Burning Rangers, Chu Chu Rocket, Phantasy Star Online, Puyo Pop, Billy Hatcher.

AM9 (United Game Artists) - Sega Rally Championship, Sega Rally 2, Space Channel 5 series, Rez.

The teams were seperate studios and were given tons of creative freedom, resulting in remarkable titles and leading Sega to be one of the biggest game development studios ever with some of the most successful IP' s.

But, in 2004 Sammy, in their infinate wisdom..merged the AM teams into 3 groups, and left only Sega-AM2 and Sonic Team unaffected.

So what you have is:

Global Entertainment Software (home consoles)

New Entertainment (new content & IP' s for arcade and console markets)

Amusement Software (arcade only)

And their only focus, under Sammy' s guidance is to make profit, even if the game sucks!

I much prefered it the other way!

It won' t be long before Sega no longer makes games and is instead just a publisher of crappy games like EA. Sega doesn' t make Condemed, Otogi, or Full Auto. Hell they don' t even make that crappy new Super Monkey Ball platformer that' s coming out soon. I agree that Sega Rally 2006 is crap. Even the music sucks and the soundtrack was created by 17 different Sega musicians. Sega doesn' t care about being the best any more. They barely even care if they are average. They' ve lost focus, which really is too bad.

The only way for Sega to become good again is to bring out their own console and get programmers like Yu Suzuki back. Suzuki is no longer with Sega, he went and formed some company that makes games for kids with Down Syndrome or something.

You still have DC? Then what are you whining about, just play the good old games. I mean, you' re not going to let something like aged graphics stop you right?

Sure I can play it - but I don' t really see your point - it' s not like I said " ginjirou is a fool and he' s worse than before" - I Said that SEGA is not what it was and should be.

And frankly , many people here have noticed that.

Most of those games you mention are only published by SEGA.

Check Sega Rally 2006 or Shadow the Hedgehog to see how low can they go.

" VF4 is probably exclusive for PS2 since VF and PS2 both have their biggest support in Japan. "

Wow do you even realise how poor VF4 sales are? It' s the ARCADE Game that is popular.

Is wanting new fantastic games something bad these days ?

Joe did you notice how EA is becoming much more than it was before?
It' s no longer that crappy massmarket publisher - it' s got Burnout , SSX , Black and shit.

I mean I hate those guys mostly but they are improving every day.

i think that EA had really improved specialy in this generation, it is no more a shity developer in my opinion , they release decent games, need for speed , fight night, lord of the ring (rpg), ssx, burnout .... hey it' s doing much better than sega today.

what i noticed in general is that Jap developers are starting to lose their knack, no more they impresse me as before and now western developers are taking the upper hand slowly, one can easily praise Ubisoft of their fabulous work, i think it' s the best developer today...

still when you think about resident evil 4, dragon quest 8, shadow of the colosseus, to name a few in this gen , hand down people hand down !!

Burnout and Black are only published by EA, they are developed by Criterion.

Namco' s gone fairly wayward too though. Look at the RR series or shit like Death by Degrees. Frame City Killer' s gonna go that way too by the looks of things.

As long as Nintendo keeps up the good work, the world is safe.

I think SEGA have some REALLY nice game on the way...

Phantasy Star Universe - This game I belive will make any RPG, Sega or just Phantasy Star fan cream in there pants :P

Sonic (Xb360, Ps3) - Looking good, looking good...

Sonic game for Nintendo Revolution - A sonic game exclusively for the revolution, I
hope we can do some crazy manouvers with the controller =D

Super Monkey Ball Adventure - Go bananas! :)

FPS Fifth Phantom Saga - Some crazy ass sci-fi shooter for the Ps3... interesting...

Outrun 2006: Coast 2 Coast - This will be good, without doubt.. Sumo Digital have my full confidence when it comes to managing Segas Outrun series.

?Shenmue? - Like, THE greatest storydriven game ever.. with alot of fighting :P

Sonic Riders - It' s hard to say how this game is going to turn out but the majority of previews are surprisingly positive. I think it can be a positive addition to the franchise.


They also have alot of deals with western developers like Petroglyph and Silicon Knights, also obviously Sumo Digital managing Sega Outrun series. I think Sega has alot of kick ass games in store, they just haven' t announced any in a while.

It' s a very strategic thing, you know.. to release a game for the most suitable plattform and Sega and many others wants to see in what direction the sales are going first before pledging alliances to some biss ass hardware company.

anyway that' s what I think..

And thus the saga...begins...

Sega is actually kicking ass finacially, they discovered as did EA that making quantity pays better then making quality. As such with Sega being a buisness and all they really don' t give a fuck if they aren' t making top quality games as long as they are making truck loads of money.

...the world in which we live in, eh?....

...yeah, i agree that all the old-skool Japanese developers do seem to be losing their touch... ..or rather becoming more and more a part of western-global crap-worshipping society....

...i guess consumers are to blame though.... ..mass civilisation always goes for the quick, cheap-@$$ option....

....i wonder how long before the word ' quality' is, due to some sort of corporate lobbing of senators and concerned parents, removed from all global dictionaries?...

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The sooner Ryu Ga Gotoku gets a US/UK release date I' ll be a hell of a lot happier with the state of Sega. To be fare they' ve had their good games and their bad games of this generation. At least they' ve established themselves firmly for the next gen showing off the new Sonic, Afterburner, House Of The Dead and Virtua Fighter.

It' s more the US and Europe arm' s of Sega who seem to be publishing games independently from the Japanese arm which seems to be making them.

It' s the way of the video game world. No one stays on top forever. There' s always someone gunning for the top spot, and as companies become more successful they lose flexibility. This makes it possible for smaller developers to come in under the radar and take the market with something fresh and new.

Really, it all boils down to market demand (which is all OUR fault). When we clamor for a sequel (Shenmue, Mario, Halo) we restrict the developers choices. No longer can they start a new franchise, otherwise they will be villified. They also CAN' T be very innovative in the gameplay department, as fans of the original will get all " purist" on them.

I, personally, wouldn' t mind if Bungie did something wholey original. F*ck Halo! Did I love the first? Yeah. Was number two one of the few games I finished in 2005? Yep, and I enjoyed every minute. I think that they need to stretch their minds AWAY from Halo, though. Trust me; it would make Halo 3 all the better!

Wow that was so right.
But I just can' t remember any market demand for a Shadow the Hedgehog
Sega is having a poll on their website about which character we' d like to see in their own game. Knuckles has the lead which I think is really good. Knuckles is so cool.

I think SEGA have some REALLY nice game on the way...

Phantasy Star Universe - This game I belive will make any RPG, Sega or just Phantasy Star fan cream in there pants :P

I don' t think so. It' s just another Phantasy Star Online more or less. It has nothing to do with the REAL Phantasy Star games. Hell, it has some kid in hip clothes and tennis shoes. Seems like it takes place in 2006 suburbia to me. FUCK Phantasy Star Universe! Fuck it in the ass!

Super Monkey Ball Adventure - Go bananas! :)

Not even programmed by Sega and not even a real Monkey Ball game!

Outrun 2006: Coast 2 Coast - This will be good, without doubt.. Sumo Digital have my full confidence when it comes to managing Segas Outrun series.

I agree with you there, it' s just a shame Sega isn' t capable of programming on of their most popular IPs. Lazy bastids! I remember in the Master System days when they programmed 99.9% of the games that appeared on that system themselves.

There was a bigger, more in depth poll a while back about which Sonic character you' d like to see in their own game... then going on to select names for such games and the style of play. There' s no Dr Eggman choice there so I guess it' ll have to be Tails. I like Knuckles but not what he' s become now.

My answer is in my new topic in here

NW' s Shenmue, Yakuza and VF5 site!
http://www.novinworks.com/shenmue.htm

ORIGINAL: alimn

My answer is in my new topic in here

I know and it' s a loads of rubbish based on your own personal wishes...

Try and keep the subject here instead of going and creating a new post about EXACTLY the same subject but in retaliation to Gangstas. Oh, and please, please don' t just copy and paste that entire load of garbage and post it here too, ...i' d be sick if you did!

I don' t think so. It' s just another Phantasy Star Online more or less. It has nothing to do with the REAL Phantasy Star games. Hell, it has some kid in hip clothes and tennis shoes. Seems like it takes place in 2006 suburbia to me. FUCK Phantasy Star Universe! Fuck it in the ass!

Dude, you don' t know what you' re talking about.. I mean wtf PSO was a great game!
And PSU will have a real offline storymode with +35 hours of gameplay.. I mean...

I will get this game for whatever system it will appear on... And then I will play it for like 2000hours just like I did with PSO

Not even programmed by Sega and not even a real Monkey Ball game!

Sure it' s not developed by Sega but it' s just like with PSU you say it' s going to suck but still you haven' t played it.. and I like the whole Idea for the series... monkey ball with just 250 puzzles can get a little boring sometimes..



And please forgive alimn for being a pain in the butt.. He just wants to play the last part of Shenmue so he van go on with his life like everyone else..

And thus the saga...begins...

Someone Locked my topic and someone else made me to post my answer here again....

Ok...Here is my views again and Majikdra6on I didn' copy and paste (I just did it for the list of PS3,360 & PSP titles from SEGA)
and that' s your problem that you think my views on SEGA are rubbish...
I don' t understand why you can' t get what am I trying to say...
All of things that I posted was completely right and if not...tell me what is it...
And yes I' m a true SEGA fan becuase there is no like them...
Mybe you forgot Yuji Naka,Yu Suzuki or even Nagoshi San + more
THERE IS NO WRONG WITH SEGA


I believe that the golden years of SEGA is back again.
They have all kind of titles and if We open our closed eyes , We can see them easily ...

Everyone must know that there is no one like them that can have all genres.

I wish to see some golden lineups like
Shenmue IIX, SEGA GT,Panzer Dargon Orta, House Of The Dead III, Jet Set Radio Future, Otogi1 & 2, Outrun 2, Virtua Fighter4 & Evo,Phantasy Star Online Episode III: C.A.R.D. Revolution,Skies of Arcadia Current Gen and about 20 more high quality titles that we saw them during current gen

Also SEGA had some top titles for 2005 and will have for this year
Like...(For All Consoles, Handhelds and Arcades )

Ryu ga Gotoku (BEST NEW FREE-Shenmuelike GAME)
Virtua Tennis PSP (BEST NEW TENNIS GAME)
SEGA RALLY 2006 (BEST RALLY GAME OF THE YEAR)
Condemand (BEST HORROR)...T
he SEGA' s name is on the game I don' t look at anythingelse (The main credit goes to SEGA for this and next one)
Full Auto (A Real new Action Driving)
Super Monkey Ball Touch & RollDS (Nagoshi is behind this means SEGA is the main creator of this)
Feel The Magic 2 (Innovative)
Sonic Rush (Good DS game)
Spartan (Good PS2 game)
Sport games 2K6s (better tha E........A........SPORTS)
Phantasy Star Universe (THIS YEAR' s BIG OFFILINE & ONLINE RPG FOR PC& PS2)
Sonic The Hedgehog (Yes he will be better than shadow on new gen)
Out Run Cost 2 Cost and MORE that can' t remember them now
Sonic Riders(Current Gen)
Fifth Phantom Saga (Possibe One of NEXT GEN biggest Shooters on PS3)
Chromehounds (New Xbox 360 cool game)
Shenmue Online (PS next big MMOs better than FF XI)
Virtua Fighte 5(Arcade,Possible NEXT GEN 360)
New After Burner(Arcade,Possible 360 releas)
New Virtua Tennis & More...that can' t list them all

I think EA Is fading away not SEGA....

Just look at EA with the most crapy titles after their Lord of The Rings games
But they are richer than SEGA and ...

SEGA is warming up now and they will be one of the most strong leaders of
NEXT GEN...If we support them they even can be better than SCE,MS games and Nintendo...

These companies only have these
Ubi Soft only have Sam Fisher and FAR CRY
CAPCOM.....their similar Onimushas,DMCs & RESIDEDNT EVILS
and SQUARE ENIX....JUST FINAL FANTASY
EA....Games for 6 years old boys or stealing games from movies
Konami...Only SNAKE and If they kill themseleves Silent Hill (I really love this one)
Namco...TEKKEN,SOUL CALIBUR (Ridge Racer failed....)
TECMO....Dead Or Ninja Gaiden series
ROCKSTAR....HA ha CRAPY GTA (A real crap)-Max Payne is dead too
ACTIVISON...Will go to fall soon with their buged True Crime///
ATARI still can back with their nwe power (Fahrenhaiet,Matrix Series and More)

YOU CAN SEE that there is no one like SEGA that can have ALL GAMES IN ALL GENRES.....

SEGA have many killer Apps for these companies
For examples:
Shenmue can eat GTA,True Crime and SNAKE(MGS) esaliy
VF can comeover against DOA,Soul Calibur and TEKKEN
SEGA GT againts Gran Turismo
Phantasy Star and Skies Of Arcadia+more Againts Other RPGs
Sonic Against JAK,Mario &...
& All kind of games are available from SEGA...

MS,SONY and Nintendo...
Have more things than the others but even theyt do not have more than SEGA
to say with PDZ,HALO,PGR,FABLE,Gran Turismo,Shadow Of Colosuss,God Of War &....1000 number of Marios,Zeldas and Metroids.

Their NEXT GEN support is powerful too

Xbox 360
After Burner
Beijing 2008
Chromehounds
Condemned: Criminal Origins
Football Manager 2006
Full Auto
House of the Dead
Secret Level project [Untitled]
Silicon Knights Next-Gen Project [Untitled]
Sonic the Hedgehog [next-gen]
Virtua Fighter 5 [rumored]

PlayStation 3
Beijing 2008
Fifth Phantom Saga
Secret Level project [Untitled]
Silicon Knights Next-Gen Project [Untitled]
Sonic the Hedgehog
Virtua Fighter 5 [rumored]

Their Hanheld Support for both PSP and DS was and is good too

PlayStation Portable as the best handheld of 2006 have and will have these from SEGA
Beijing 2008
Brain Trainer Portable
Communication RPG game [Untitled Sega project]
Digital Pet game [Untitled Sega project]
Football Manager 2006
Guilty Gear XX # Reload
Initial D: Street Stage
Jissen Pachislot Hisshohou! Fist of the North Star Portable
Kamaitachi no Yoru 2: Kangokushima no Warabe Uta
Kamaitachi no Yoru 3 [working title]
Machi: Unmei no Kousaten
Myst
Outrun 2006: Coast 2 Coast
Project S
Puyo Pop Fever 2
PuyoPop Fever
Sakura Taisen 1&2
Super Monkey Ball Adventures [rumored]
Totally Games / SEGA PSP Project
Virtua Tennis World Tour
World Championship Snooker 2005



They will make more and better games again and no one can race them...
But the others must exsits to find out why SEGA is still the best.

They are who that must get the next gen and the fans will continue by supporting them by buying and enjoying from their products.

Just give them more time to reconstruct themselevs after SAMMY' s decissions...

And let' s be together for see SEGA' s next big titles...

NW' s Shenmue, Yakuza and VF5 site!
http://www.novinworks.com/shenmue.htm

THERE IS NO WRONG WITH SEGA

Calm down already! *yeeeessh*

Ryu ga Gotoku (BEST NEW FREE-Shenmuelike GAME)

Dude, this game is NOT like Shenmue, it' s a completely different game..
Ryu ga Gotuku is GTA on acid dude, i mean sure in shenmue you fight but this guy just beats the crap out of people and then he shoots them in the face!! While in Shenmue Ryo is emotional disturbed and pet cats... I mean come on!

SEGA RALLY 2006 (BEST RALLY GAME OF THE YEAR)

No... just no...

Sport games 2K6s (better tha E........A........SPORTS)

They' re not made by Sega anymore...

Sonic The Hedgehog (Yes he will be better than shadow on new gen)

No sh*t...

I can' t go on with the qoutes man.. you' re just full of sh*t... that' s it.

And thus the saga...begins...

Dude, Virtua Tennis World Tour was developer by Sumo Digital (formally Infogrames) it is not a Sega developed title.

Condemned was developed my Monolith, not Sega.

Spartan: Total War was developed by Creative Assembly (yes Sega have aquired them but that' s like saying that Rare' s games aren' t actually Rare' s games and they' re instead from Microsoft Game Studios).

2kSports are not a in-house Sega development studio. They were ESPN Videogames, now 2kSports and Sega publishes their games. 2KSport games are not Sega games.

Anyway, those aside, YOU ARE BLOODY NUTS! Adam locked your thread because it was stoooopid. Your post here is stoooopid!

You' re basing everything you say on your own personal, love for Sega which at the same time has evidently blinded you from the truth.

The truth is that Sammy have fuck3d Sega stupid. Sega has been aquiring developers because it' s own IP' s are becoming boring and they don' t know how to revitalize them. I' m sick of seeing Sonic and i' m sick of seeing bloody Mario!

The last few Sonic games have been horrible, hell even Shadow the Hedgehog was rubbish. Sure Sonic Rush was good on DS but that' s pretty much the only good game we' ve seen from Sonic Team for years.

I love Sega but they' ve gone downhill rapidly. It' s a shame but it' s true.

Sega and Namco should definately stick to making arcade games!

You DID just copy and paste it too, liar! You are mental and you sound like a small foreign child who doesn' t know what the f*ck he' s talking about.

There' s just so many things wrong with that post...
I fell the need to go in and fix up one section of it, that just bugs the hell out of me:

These companies only have these
Ubi Soft only have Sam Fisher and FAR CRY
CAPCOM.....their similar Onimushas,DMCs & RESIDEDNT EVILS
and SQUARE ENIX....JUST FINAL FANTASY
EA....Games for 6 years old boys or stealing games from movies
Konami...Only SNAKE and If they kill themseleves Silent Hill (I really love this one)
Namco...TEKKEN,SOUL CALIBUR (Ridge Racer failed....)
TECMO....Dead Or Ninja Gaiden series
ROCKSTAR....HA ha CRAPY GTA (A real crap)-Max Payne is dead too
ACTIVISON...Will go to fall soon with their buged True Crime///
ATARI still can back with their nwe power (Fahrenhaiet,Matrix Series and More)

Ubi-Soft: Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia, Americas Army, King Kong, Brothers in Arms, Far Cry, Lumines

Capcom: Dead Rising, Onimusha, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil, MegaMan, Veiwtiful Joe, Darkwatch...

...wait a sec why am I gonna bother to do this if you were to lazy to do so? Anyways my point is majority of those compainies cover many genres. Especially if you put it on an international level.

That part of yer argument just bugged the hell outta me

You DID just copy and paste it too, liar! You are mental and you sound like a small foreign child who doesn' t know what the f*ck he' s talking about.

LOL! This is indeed close to the truth...

Hey Majikdrag6on.. what did u think about my response about Ryu ga Gotoku.. heh I found it pretty hilarious.. but ut' s kinda boring when no one appreciates your jokes.. right?

However I do not agree with you on some points.. I mean, sure Sega have released alot of crappy games on this gen.. but also alot of good ones.. and I think things will(can!) only improve from here..

I belive Sega can have a strong position as a dev/pub both on the current gen and next.

And thus the saga...begins...

SEGA is doing a come back and has been publisher for RTW:IB and Condedmen recently,they kick ass,and gonna be publisher for MTW2 also...and a lot of news games coming too,Yeah SEGA is back on track,the co-op with sammy did not hurt SEGA it onlyt made them stronger,even if i never thought it would be that outcome.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Yeah i liked it!!!

When you say Sega have released good titles too, that' s pretty much a given, but it used to be that pretty much all of Sega' s games were good. The Sammy merger really screwed up the studios output and it seems like titles are not only being rushed but being half-assedly developed just to get them out the doors and make money.

Sega, when compared to companies of equal size and standing haven' t released as much quality output as the competition. Will it get better? Who knows, we' ll see. What i do know is this guy is daft in the head!

Yeah I know, the standard of their games have definitely decreased... But I' m still positive cause I know that Sega still have alot of talanted producers at their disposal.

What i do know is this guy is daft in the head!

Amen

And thus the saga...begins...

ORIGINAL: Majikdra6on

Sega and Namco should definately stick to making arcade games!

Are you crazy? Namco makes Ridge Racer (PSP), Tales series (GC/PS2), Tekken (PS2) and Soul Calibur (GC/PS2 Xbox). They are great! I love their console games.

Ridge Racer 6 has really put me off Namco at the moment and Soul Calibur 3 wasn' t all it was cracked up to be, Tekken 5 was better.

Frame City Killer looks awful too!

Are you crazy? Namco makes Ridge Racer (PSP), Tales series (GC/PS2), Tekken (PS2) and Soul Calibur (GC/PS2 Xbox). They are great! I love their console games.

I agree,Ridge Racer and Tales serie has been in my heart since the psx era untill today,cant wait what they bring with next gen.

And SEGA gonna kick ass with their new titles.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

But you can' t deny that they have a very good record of great console titles.
Just look at them:
Katamari series, Soul Calibur series, Tekken series, Ace Combatseries, Time Crisis series, Ridge Racer (PSP), Baten Kaitos, Tales of series.
Imagine the world without those games on the consoles. Terrible! And there is probably a few more great titles out there that I didn' t mention since I' m not the biggest Namco expert in the world.

I agree with what you' re saying, but i severly dislike RR6, i paid £50 ($88) for it and it' s terrible when compared to the other 2 racing games on 360.

Namco do indeed have some great games and i take my comment back. They do need to start updating gameplay mechanics in some of their games though, they' re starting to feel old!

What the hell is wrong. I get a 500 error message or something and then I have to write it all over (see below) only to see that my first post was actually working... strange...

RR" 6" ,and how many tales games are there? cant remember but probably 6-8 all their games cant please everyone,some must let the fans down.
I just buy the next one...
I also belive 90% of all games made to launch or just after is rushed...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

people, people.. this is the what' s wrong with Sega thread..

You' ll just have to make your own - What' s wrong with Namco thread..

I think it' s the same with games as with movies or records.. people always have their expectations and sometimes the artist can' t live up to them entirely..

that' s life ya know

And thus the saga...begins...

You' re right but they are trying. Tekken 5 was a great improvement on Tekken 4. The Ace Combat series gets more advanced A.I. and squad based gameplay, Baten Kaitos is new but it was a great start for a (hopefully) new RPG-franchise (card based battles aren' t very usual nowadays) , The tales of series has taken the step to 3D and Tales of Symphonia got a new battle system. But of course we' d all like to see some major improvements in their coming next-gen projects.

I think Namco is just getting on it' s feet lately with SOUL CALIBUR 3 and real RIDGE RACER (I get it that some people don' t like it - but you should know that many love it for what it it).

They definitely have the potential and can make me say " WOW that' s fuckin amazing" .

Virtua Fighter makes me say it too so maybe Sega will change my opinion , but ruining Sega Rally like that? that is fuckin stupid at least.