Revolution Specs and Price (99$!!)

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Revolution being just a little better than the first Xbox is quite a disappointment for me even if I was expecting a console far less powerfull than Xbox360 or PS3. If that will eb the case, they might as well have released the controller for Gamecube.
However, I really like the estimated price: 149 $ or maybe as low as 99$! I honestly don' t think that will be the actuall price but since those prices were suggested, the real price should be pretty affordable
But nothing is official so we can still hope Nintendo releases a console 10 times better than PS3 at 10$ at launch. Or maybe it will cost 25000 $ and be less powerfull than the SNES, who knows.
Will any of you guys buy the Revolution if the graphics are just a little better than Xbox? And what price would you be ready to pay for that?
I' m going to buy it if the price is below 200$ if there will be any impressive games at launch.

I' ll care when it' s official.

Yeah oh well, I still can' t wait for the revolution. I' ve ditched sony for nintendo, I just want to be able to play old nintendo,snes,n64 games. Plus any zelda games!

what is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of their women!

Being a hard core Nintendo fan, as powerful as the original xbox is more than a little dissapointing. I think even Nintendo has to realize they' ve got to bring just a little more to the table than that. However since nobody has the specs for the graphics chip (and I' ve heard these sometimes have a little to do with how powerful a system can be) I' m not going to start trusting comments like these. I' m not expecting the power of the 360 or PS3 out of this thing, but I am expecting a system that can produce visuals of similar or very near similar quality, just not at hi-def. It takes a lot of power to bump those visuals up to hi-def, and if you don' t have to worry about that then you need a lot less horsepower driving something to get the effects.

Given the conservative specs Nintendo announced for the GameCube only to have Factor 5 prove them wrong with a GameCube launch title that out performed their announced specs, I personally don' t trust Nintendo when it comes to announcing their console specs, but with them it' s a good thing I guess since you get more power than what they' re announcing. Unlike *other* companies who first announce 77 million polygons, then 66 million only to have none of that being applicable in a real world situation :p..

Supposedly the Xbox 360 can push around 500 million polygons and the original Xbox was able to theoretically do around 133 million, it' s possible that the Revolution may be in the 200 million range or possibly less.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

I' ll definitely be getting a Revolution. I just hope they have a really good launch lineup. That controller looks like it will be fun to use.

Well it' s nice to hear that everyone is so optimistic about the graphics. Makes me slightly happier. But what about the price? Do you think the price could be as low as 149$? If if the price gets that low I' ll buy Revolution just for its beautiful design.

If they release at 149 or less with Mario as a lunch title and another smash brothers, call it instant success. Simply because a lot of gamers are 2 console gamers now, even the casual ones, and that' s just too affordable. Ninetendo just might be able to succeed as the " 2nd console in a home" and become as popular as the PS3 or 360 simply because not many will have both 360 and pS3, but I think a lot will both 360 and rev, or PS3 and rev. A little optimisic maybe, but I think it can happen.

Honestly if you care about graphics so much get the ps3. If you like something new try this, that price range is very affordable and cheap, it is alos the expected price of what you are going to pay for such technogly. The Controller is new and fresh, something that is missing big time this gen/next gen [how many fps where realsed on the 360 launch day?]. But saying this Nintendo are still idiots. They come up with brillant ideas and dreams but most of the time these ' great ideas' often flop [powerglove anyone?] now they are doing the oppsite of what the big rivals of sony and microsoft, by giving people a weak machine priced at a very low price. Its a very risky path but so far they are doing a excellant job, they have generated so much hype about its console that is surely going to do job.

Personaly i do think the rev' s controller can somewhat boarder into the ' gimmiky' side of things if it isnt used wright, much like the ds touch screen.


Nintendo is like that sauce at your local store, some people like it, but You just dont understand it.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

If Revo price is below $150 then i' m definitly in

but nintendo is always taking risks , it' s good to innovate but not to get suicided, if price is above 150$ then nintendo will face great difficulties to sell its console since i believe that more than 80% of gamers are amazed by graphics rather than gameplay

then its not like PS3 and 360 will produce flops, there will be some excellent games with excellent graphics and excellent gameplay as well ...

Nintendo didn' t support CD format and it got it ass kicked by 3rd parties

nintendo didn' t support mature games (n64) and it got it ass kicked

and now it doesn' t support hgih end graphics and it might get its ass kicked again, just one reason say goodbye to multiplatform (at least 50% of them)



why nintendo is taking useless risks ?? the controler is awesome i loved it but will that be enough ?? if they push more power say 3 times x box that would be sweeter , even if the price get higher by an extra 50$, then nintendo will do better...

i think now revo is just a complement to the otehr two consoles , one would buy xbox/ps3 and revo ... may be that' s nice for nintendo after all

I don' t see the Revolution costing less than $199.95 (before tax) at launch. And that' s fine.

Well

If the revolution is under £150, i will definetely buy it. Comparing it with the other consoles e.g. XBOX 360 - £209.00 it seems like a sweet deal because you can at least buy some games with it. Not like rip-off-Microsoft. I was thinking of buying the XBox 360 but even if you buy the ' good pack' it will cost you more than £300 with just one game, and i am still not getting the whole experience with my standard TV. I would have to spent 1-2 thousands pounds to get the HD experience (and we are only talking about getting the most out of graphics, what about gameplay?).
I am really getting worried about the prospect of PS3 being over £300. I still believe that consoles would not cost more than £150.

Calling the 360 a rip off is stupidity.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

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Revolution to be ' 2.5 times more powerful than Cube' (News)
by GamesIndustry.biz

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07/12/2005 17:14

Developers speaking to GamesIndustry.biz this week have commented that the the Revolution console, hardware kits for which began shipping to third parties recently, is shaping up to be around 2.5 times more powerful than GameCube.

Up until the past week or so, developers close enough to Nintendo' s inner circle to have seen any Revolution hardware were working with development kits that were simply GameCube kits with mock-ups of the " wand" controller attached - a clear signal, if any were required, that the system is more about innovative control than about the hardware specs.

Now, however, Nintendo has spoken to developers in more depth about its hardware plans for the new system - and has begun shipping more advanced development kits to selected third-parties, featuring early versions of some of the chips which will appear in the final console.An article published by US website IGN this morning revealed some details of the console, and several developers today have spoken to GamesIndustry.biz to help fill in the gaps.

The picture we' re building up of the final console is as follows: the Cube will be powered by the IBM CPU codenamed Broadway, which is very similar to the Gekko CPU used in the GameCube, but runs at around twice the clock speed and offers potentially two to three times the overall performance, and the ATI graphics chip codenamed Hollywood.

While Broadway is well-understood by developers, the ATI part remains " a bit of a black box" , according to one senior developer we spoke to. " We have theoretical throughput figures and stats from Nintendo, but nobody' s seen the hardware yet - we' re just treating it like it' s a faster version of the GameCube GPU, at the moment."

How much faster exactly it will be remains to be seen, but the chip - which " seems to be an evolution of the Radeon range" according to our source - will probably mirror the CPU by running at around twice to three times the speed of the existing part.

In terms of RAM, the system is well-known to boast 512MB of Flash RAM which can be used to store save games and downloaded content, but this will not be accessible to developers, we were told. What they' ll have available is 96MB of main memory, built on the same 1T-SRAM architecture as the Cube, and " a few megs here and there for other stuff" - such as 3MB of on-board memory on the graphics chip, which will be used for a frame buffer. " That' s plenty, since the Revolution isn' t supporting HDTV," one developer added.

As for the storage media the Revolution will use, " they' re pretty much standard DVDs," we were told, with capacity similar to current PS2 and Xbox discs. " The only clever thing about the drive, really, is that you can put the little Cube discs into it despite being a slot-loading drive - I think that' s the first time you' ve been able to do that with a slot loader."

In other words, what Nintendo is planning to ship is a system which is no more than around twice to three times as powerful as the current generation GameCube - indeed, more than one developer who has access to the hardware specs suggested " about 2.5 times the power" as the benchmark for the new system.

Although this makes the Revolution significantly less powerful than the PS3 or Xbox 360, developers we spoke to were upbeat about the machine.

" You can basically treat it like a current generation machine," one told us. " The time it' ll take to ramp up to developing on this is basically nil - we can just work on a PC or maybe an Xbox, and then improve the quality of our assets when we move to the Revolution. Or even work on a Cube, in fact. The libraries are very similar."

" We could do a game for this in a few months," commented another developer. " Developing games is going to be easy, the challenge is going to be using the controller properly."

The approach mirrors Nintendo' s strategy with the DS, which is far less powerful than its rival the PlayStation Portable but offers an innovative interface which has been a hit with gamers and has had major success in the mass market.

Crucially, the low specification will also allow Nintendo to score a victory in terms of pricing; speculation is already rife that the Revolution could enter the marketplace at $149 or even lower, suggesting a sub-GBP 100 price point at a time when the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 still retail for three times that price.


This is rather new. I would like you guys to absorb this infomation.

Now...It' s being told here that the Rev is a little more powerful than what IGN reported. And games can be done within a few months. Genius. That means more games for the Rev in no time. There will be no launch shortage come November. And if the games end selling well on the Rev expect more games on the Rev. It' s a win win for both sides. Cheap development. Nice Profit.

There' s still two more secrets about the Rev Nintendo hasn' t told us about.

128 or 104 (like the Newest IGN articles say) of system RAM is nearly twice the RAM of Xbox , so saying that it' s a bit better than X is not accurate.Next Gen GPU is not only about RAM and Clock - it has all the innovations from the last couple of years , new effects ,better efficiency and stuff.CPU is also optimised and upgraded plus both GPU and CPU are said to have at least twice the clock speed(comparing to GCN).

RAM

100 Vs 500 ?

100MB for 640x480 Vs 500MB for 1200x720 is just silly.

HDTV games need a lot of ram for HIGH RES textures , Effects (like Z-Buffering) cost per pixel is HD=2,8xSD.

That means that if some game needs (just speculation) 20MB of RAM for some effect on REV , it needs nearly 60MB on HD Xbox360 and even more for PS3 (if they keep 1080p a native resolution ,it' s more than twice what X360 needs).

If X360 worked in SD natively than REV would' ve been a 100 years behind it.

That' s exactly why N goes for SD.

That said pure power is uncomparable by tech specs - X360 is just way more powerfull on paper , but thankfully boys and girls we play on TV and what' s more -for about 70% of us it' s SD TV.

So no big deal actually - it will rock - it will rock for 99-149$ ,it will rock with free Online service and it will rock with all the oldschool on it.That thing is awesome even without the controller :)

Anyway I like the tech stuff but I care for gameplay only so screw morons from epic games who say gameplay=graphics.

Either way Revolution is going to have a huge impact on games as we know them.

But for know I' ll stick to my Xbox and some old stuff I didn' t have time for (Beyond Good & Evil) :)

Calling the 360 a rip off is stupidity.

Remember, this isn' t exactly the age of enlightenment for gamers.

ORIGINAL: lotusson

Calling the 360 a rip off is stupidity.

Remember, this isn' t exactly the age of enlightenment for gamers.

After reading Gansta' s post I agree with you.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Another thing to remember is that both Sony and Microsoft are spending major money on their consoles and the extra power. Games for those consoles are also going to cost more for developers and are costing us, the consumers more.

The Revolution could be a real viable and cheap alternative for developers out there. Even more importantly it could make Nintendo more cash by spending less. Aren' t Sony and Microsoft loosing money selling their consoles? If Nintendo can minimise the loss or even make a gain they' ll be in a better position.

It also means cheaper and more innovative games for us!

I was thinking about connectivity with the Nintendo DS and realized that if developers wanted to, they could use the touch-screen, microphone and other features of the DS to controll the revolution games as well. And since the DS also look and works as a regular controller, it could probably be used as such, solving the problem some games might have if they are not suited for the Revolution controller. And since it looks like the Revolution is going to be cheap, I think more gamers will be willing to buy the DS (which is also cheap) just for the connectivity.
It' s another story with the PS3 and PSP. Both are very expensive hardware. I hope Nintendo will use the DS as much as possible. It would be cool to play an online game on the Revolution using the Rev-controller to control in game action, and the DS to control menus, status and such.

Well then rampage I guess that " 99" stands for your IQ.

I think the REV is being techically underestimated by some of you guys. Even if its only 2.5 times more powerful then the Gamecube the bottleneck will be deminished which in my opinion was the paltry amount of ram and the pathetic disc space 1.5GB of the gamecube. And like gangsta said if the rev aims for sd tv then it will be able to push more polygons then if it had hi def standard, meaning if you still have a sd tv the rev will give you more bang for your buck. I' m guessing the console will cost 250.00 to 300 cnd regardless of other price predictions as Nintendo usually does not like to subsidize their consoles like Sony and MS.

If Super Smash bros is good as I hope I might pick up a rev once the price drop to or below 250$ cnd.

ORIGINAL: ]GaNgStA[

Well then rampage I guess that " 99" stands for your IQ.

Think of that by yourself or did you get your mom to help?

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

So I guess gangsta is saying rampage has an average IQ...
I really love reading posts " by nine year olds who got hold of the password to mummy’s AOL account and regurgitated the arguments they’d read elsewhere."

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

Yeah I thought it was funny that he used having an average IQ as an insult. I have an IQ of 120 btw. At least that' s what I scored 3 years ago...

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

We' ll see...maybe if the ' R' releases for around $129...I might just get one then...

I must say that, with all those retro games that it will be able to play, that it could very well be worth as much as $199...if they package it right.

Videogaming is the contemporary interactive pasttime.

If it' s cheap and can play Gamecube games I' ll be happy. I' ll be even happier if the games are cheap and ace. Oh, and if Sonic appears in the new Smash Bros ^_^

Locopuyo I wonder if you actually saw anything like " it' s low IQ" in my post (and that rampage means that in previous posts I didn' t go as low as you trying to offend people.).

Guess those guys who don' t need their mommas AOL account should actually read a bit more careful plus relax a bit since they get excited so fast.

Think of that by yourself or did you get your mom to help?

rampage that' s actually what your mum said ...while I was bangin her.

And WOW , you know how to impress people , I bet they even told you that you' re one in a milion , but you' re just to shy to say.

Hehehehhe

hey, lets not turn this topic in a war between Gangsta and Rampage, just leave it and continue the talk with the rev.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

If it' s cheap and can play Gamecube games I' ll be happy. I' ll be even happier if the games are cheap and ace. Oh, and if Sonic appears in the new Smash Bros ^_^

Oh shit, if I saw Sonic in super smash I would go out and buy a rev on the spot. Anyone have any other characters they would like to see in super smash. I would like to see mega man and Diddy Kong (to compliment donkey kong).

PacMan
Nights (that strange character from the Saturn game Nights into dreams)

By the way, they should make a remake of Nights into dreams for the Revolution. It' s the perfect game for the Revolution controller. You who have played Nights will probably agree.

rampage that' s actually what your mum said ...while I was bangin her.

AH-HUHAHA!!

Check out this enlightening post from a poster named Arsynic at the Gaming-Age Forums.

" I think Ninty should keep the " Revolution" name. I mean, a next generation console with last generation technology...that' s Revolutionary indeed. [/sarcasm]

In an industry where Tony Hawk and Madden (the bastion of all that is wrong with this industry) still sell millions of copies, original games will fall by the wayside. Nintendo will learn this the hard way. Nintendo' s vision is too good for the industry as it stands now. If I were Nintendo, I' d just wait for the inevitable industry crash to hit and then revitalize it.

This industry works like a forest. The big trees form a canopy over the forest that doesn' t allow light to pass through and nurture the smaller foilage that the animals feed on. So they die. So the forest floor is left with dry, dead foilage that' s no good for anyone. Then a lighting storm comes, strikes a tree and the whole forest burns down. This revitalizes the forest and allows for new growth. The foilage comes back, the animals feast and all is good until the trees get too large again and the whole cycle starts again.

We have a few big trees like EA, Ubi Soft, Activision, Square-Enix, Namco, Konami, et. al. that steal all of the sunlight from the smaller developers who make the most revolutionary stuff. However, if it' s not Tony Hawk or Madden, it gets no advertising dollars and therefore no exposure and stays in the niche. However, the industry needs these new ideas to survive. However, these smaller devs are choked out and either close their doors or get on the cookie-cutter-shit bandwagon. Then the industry gets dry and stale and eventually collapses. That' s going to happen soon, I don' t know when, but soon. People are going to get sick of playing the same old shit over and over again.

Maybe Nintendo realizes this and Revolution could possibly ride out the eventual collapse of the industry and take it in a new direction. Fuck the establishment. Perhaps we' re all dead fucking wrong. Perhaps it has nothing to do with better visuals, better sound or better physics. Perhaps it has everything to do with game mechanics and ideas. Perhaps its the way we think about games that need to change. Nintendo' s vision is that the next generation has little to do with having better graphics. However, that' s how our jaded asses have been programmed to think over the years. Shit, if a console doesn' t have better graphics, better sound, and better physics then it' s not " next gen" in our view. However, the shit that we fail to realize is that the thing that seperates games from music and movies is that we " PLAY" them. It' s the interaction that distinguishes games from the other mediums. So why has graphics become the benchmark in a medium where GAMEPLAY is the unique identifier? Who knows. Graphics should be the benchmark for movies and sound should be a benchmark for music. How backwards have we become?

Do we judge a music album based on the music video? Hell no, that doesn' t make sense since it' s the SOUND that matters. Do we judge a movie by how good the soundtrack is? Hell no, that doesn' t make sense since it' s the VISUAL PERFORMANCE that matters. Do we judge games primarily by how good the GRAPHICS are? Yes we do. In a medium where graphics should take a backseat to interactivity, the majority of us have been trained like Pavlov' s dogs to salivate at graphics and put gameplay in the backseat. Case in point: The whole MGS4 " unveiling" (or the whole PS3 unvieling for that matter). Like little trained monkies we jumped up and down at these graphics and claimed that " The next generation is here!" That' s stupid. I' m stupid. We' re all stupid. We' ve all been duped. Now most of us are all but ready to write-off a console that could be just what this stale fucking industry needs just because it doesn' t meet our bastardized benchmark of what constitutes a " next generation" console, namely better graphics. We' re a bunch of marketing tools for lazy developers who' d rather get rich by just improving visuals, animation and physics while giving us the same gameplay experience as the Playstation.

That' s like McDonalds adding one more piece of bread to the Bic Mac and calling it the " Next Generation of Burgers." Then they brainwash consumers into believing that a real next generation burger is taller than the rest. No matter that it tastes the fucking same as the regular Big Mac...it just looks better. That' s the way the game industry has trained us. We now believe that next generation games are games that primarily LOOK BETTER than previous games. The evidence is that companies like Sony get away with showing reels and reels of game movie footage (whether or not they are real-time or not is moot) and we get excited as if graphics are the foremost benchmark of a next generation console. It' s a fucking joke and this thread proves it.

But then again, it' s called VIDEO games. So I guess the visual aspect of it all does play an important part. But should it be more important than the interactive aspect. It is called video GAMES, you know GAMES that are played on a video screen. However, it seems that Sony/MS main aim is to make game VIDEOS.

So I guess this is what seperates the next generation of consoles. We have Nintendo with it' s VIDEO GAME machine and Sony and MS with their GAME VIDEO machines. Let' s just agree to create that distinction so that we don' t confuse ourselves."

You can put your money on an industry crash if you want, but I don' t see it happening.

At least you used quotes when you regurgitated instead of pretending like it was your own.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

that' s cuz it' s not mine and it seems you really don' t get what the one who wrote it was saying.

Dunno where you came from with all that bitchin on me (and no , I don' t mean parts when you disagree) , still I couldn' t care less

Game Junkie, how about a Sega vs Nintendo Smash mele? Sega characters vs. Nintendo characters in the ultimate battle! Sonic vs. Mario, Akira vs Samus... even Alex Kid vs Link.

im buying a xbox 360 for sure, and if the rev is gonna cost less than 250 canadian, im gonna go buy it. the way i look at it is that if can spend 600 on xbox 360 (getting live also) and some games, then I can spend 2 bills for the rev, and it might just be very entertaining. the idea of playing old skool games on it makes me anxious to get my hands on it. I just hope the controller will feel right. maybe some third party will release an actual controller with triggers and joysticks, so that would be cool too cuz i can' t picture myself playing games like ninja gaiden 1, 2 and 3 with the " wand" , I need a dpad (even tho the wand has one but it won' t be same as having the d-pad on a gamepad).

Go Nintendo!

PS: stop talking about moms, it always gets ugly.

The revolution has also has a controller that looks the same as the gamecube' s.
Playing old school games is cool. The way it sounds they are just straight up emulations though.
It is really sweet playing the old school games on xbox live arcade. For all of them they added online scores and the ability to play with friends on xbox live.

"If you knew how good I am you would think I'm modest."

ORIGINAL: ]GaNgStA[

Locopuyo I wonder if you actually saw anything like " it' s low IQ" in my post (and that rampage means that in previous posts I didn' t go as low as you trying to offend people.).

Guess those guys who don' t need their mommas AOL account should actually read a bit more careful plus relax a bit since they get excited so fast.

Think of that by yourself or did you get your mom to help?

rampage that' s actually what your mum said ...while I was bangin her.

And WOW , you know how to impress people , I bet they even told you that you' re one in a milion , but you' re just to shy to say.

Hehehehhe

Wow... you are a really sad person. I don' t know how many times that joke has been over used. And to make things worse my mom recently had a severe accident and almost died so thanks for thinking before you speak. Enjoy hell.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

If you want me to feel sorry for you - you need to try harder cause I stopped believing your stories back in the days when you kept tellin' " I' m a developer listen to me" , and lately when you said " My IQ is 120" I still didn' t believe you.

Man if your mom had an accident it really sux that you put her like that on forum to defend your stupid posts.

And don' t thank me for thinking before I speak - the pleasure is mine - I just wish you did the same thing from time to time.

Once again, if you actually knew how to read you' d realize I never said I was a developer. I said I' m in school to make videogames, which definately gives me an edge over you when it comes to this stuff whether you want to believe it or not. I' m actually going to meet some of the devlopers of Splinter Cell 4 on monday. I' ll take pictures if you want proof. But of course, you probably have much better sources for your information. You can think I' m lying all you want but it really doesn' t matter you' ve proven your bias and stupidity on more than one occasion. As far as the IQ thing, go argue with the people that tested me in highschool.

I' m not using my mom to defend my post. I' m just easily irrateted when it comes to people making fun of my mom after she nearly died. If you don' t believe that, again, I' d have no problem showing pictures of her arm that was almost completely severed by a wood splitter (In a PM of course. The rest of the members don' t need to see that type of stuff.). So for future reference don' t talk about my mom. That way I won' t have any reason for bringing her up.

And don' t thank me for thinking before I speak - the pleasure is mine - I just wish you did the same thing from time to time.

Well isn' t that just magical. I' m starting to wonder when you' re going to produce an original comeback.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "