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First and foremost i just joined and i would like to thank tha staff for making this amazing wesite, i really haven' t found this much info on next-gen throughout the web like i have on kikizo.com. i must say i grew up with PS just like millions of other kids and there will never be nothing better than the Playstation line (i just love that PS logo). anyways i was surfing the web last night and found something rather interesting. It said that if 360 does good in the market, sony will have to work really hard to releasing PS3 by spring ' 06, on the other hand if 360 does rather bad chances are that PS3 could be held back until late ' 06 or even early ' 07. I just wanna know your opinion on why is sony doing this and do you think 360 has any chance on outdoing PS3?

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I just wanna know your opinion on why is sony doing this and do you think 360 has any chance on outdoing PS3?

Marketshare.

If the Xbox360 does well enough then Sony won' t wanna let them have the next-gen market all to themselves for too long. Nintendo was a bit complacent during the 16-bit era and paid for it with the Genesis taking half the market.

In Europe and the U.S. I think the 360 stands a good chance to challenging Sony' s dominance, Japan is a totally different story unfortunately.

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Since it cost $494 to manufacture PS3 for sony, what' s the possibility that PS3 will break the $400 barrier?

Depends on how much of a loss Sony is willing and able to take. While nothing has been officially stated, Ken Kutaragi has stated a few times that the PS3 isn' t going to be the cheapest thing ever. Sony also spent a mint on research and development of the Cell Processor (several hundred million dollars) so that too may force them to take less chances.

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Grew up with the Playstation, huh? Best system ever, huh?

Lets not talk.

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Grew up with the Playstation, huh? Best system ever, huh?

Lets not talk.

Easy enough. Just don' t respond to the thread next time.

As far as Sony' s next move, I heard that they WILL in fact take a big loss on the PS3. Maybe even more than Microsoft is on the 360!! To me that' s just crazy! They' re already not doing so well financially. I suppose if the 360 does well, they' ll have no choice.

I just like the fact that Xbox 360 fans were told to stay out which pretty much instantly makes this a fanboy thread. I don' t care though. to each his own. Anyway, I hope for the best with the PS3. I' d really like to see them get the system actually up and running.Hopefully the whole downgrade of the Cell processor to 2.4GHz won' t happen. I' m still really anxious to actually see someone playing the actual console.

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I have no problem with a guy thinking PS was the best system ever.
Metal gear solid,ff7-ff9,dragon quest7,gran turismo,tekken3,soulcaliber,nhl/fifa serie was outstanding under its period etc.
Chrono cross,crash bandicoot,parasite eve,castlevania:SOTN,silent hill,vagrant story,tony hawk and all other great titles.
PSX made games into mainstream,and its all thx to Ken Kutaragi,if anyone trashtalk his PSX and PSX you have to be a true fanby,what was not to love with the psx?
The control was superb too.
Hell,the late psx control had joystick+rumble pack.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

.... it' s all in the sales figures isn' t it?...

...i also think that the original Playstation produced far more quality game experiences than the Playstation 2 and Xbox combined.....

...also from where i am, 360 marketing and promotion seems to be as lacklustre and irrelevant as the original Xbox campaign was .... i doubt that there will be nearly as high a demand for 360' s in Europe and Japan like there was in the US ..... and Terry rightly pointed out in another thread that the current shortage in the US is most likely intentional.....

...I' m glad to see Microsoft trying harder for Sony' s crown though, it might give Ken and his buddies something to think about (like, if you could match Microsoft' s Live service you' d win this latest console war with one arm tied behind your back)....

.....i hope PS3 comes out sooner rather than later as this would force Microsoft to counter with a genuine killer app or a price drop! ... or both even!!

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Sony recently presented how the company was doing and 2005 was a very bad year for them. But they were optimistic and said that they were confident that they would be profitable in 2006/2007. Perhaps with the help of the PS3, meaning that it might be expensive. But since Sony is doing lots more than just PlayStation it' s hard to tell how the company plan to bring in the money. It' s easier with Microsoft since Windows is a sure bet. If Sony intends to making money with the PS3, they will sell it at a high price but that might cause a greater loss, since lots of people might not afford the console.
I think the success of the PS3 pretty much depends on its price tag. And what that price tag will say is hard to tell.

Easy enough. Just don' t respond to the thread next time.

Didn' t realize your name was Minde0511.....

I think the success of the PS3 pretty much depends on its price tag.

It' s a double-edged sword. They come in LOW with the price and keep their proposed specs, Sony' s gonna be bleeding money until they sell a truckload of PS3 games to cushion the blow. If they come in HIGH they won' t be losing as much but might scare off some of their marketshare. Most of Sony Computer Entertainment' s bread n' butter comes from mainstream gamers and I can' t imagine many within the casual/mainstream sector paying through the nose for a PS3.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

I think the success of the PS3 pretty much depends on its price tag.

It' s a double-edged sword. If they come in LOW with the price and keep their proposed specs for the PS3, Sony' s gaming department is gonna be bleeding money until they sell a truckload of PS3 games to cushion the blow. If they come in HIGH they certainly won' t be losing as much money on each unit sold but might scare off some of their userbase. Most of Sony Computer Entertainment' s bread n' butter comes from mainstream/casual gamers and I can' t imagine many within that sector paying through the nose for a PS3.

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that' s why i' m very worried about sony and their PS3, i don' t want sony to lose its crown to microsoft nor to nintendo.... Microsoft is scary , may be it' s just a cliché i don' t know... Microsoft is playing the nice dude because it' s not the leader, but i think it turns out to be N°1 in this industry things might get very nasty as with their Operating system today...

how excatly are microsoft bad becuase they are the market leader with the os? from where i am looking windows xp is a smooth fast os that allows me to do anything i want [games/movies/work] with ease.

Anyway, i am no microsft fanboy, sony or nintendo. But i do think ps3 will do well, i do think it will be sold at a loss at the start, they are making a fortune [200euro for a ps2 and a few games! [thats about 200 Dollars]. As the cost of production goes down they will start to make a decent profit, and games sales will rise.

I cannot understand why sony didnt do anything to damage the 360 launch, like dropping the price of the psp or ps2. but maybe they know all 360' s will sell out regaurless of what price the ps2 is and to lower the prices would cause a loss in revenue possible.

I answered my own question. Go me.

Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine.

Viva La Revolution! erm, I mean Viva La Wii!

how many MS haters out there ?? why ?? because they release buggy stuff that' s why, remember how Win98 gave nightmares to pc users, even xp now well it' s so much better than win98 thank god that' s the least thing but still it' s far from perfect... just look at Internet explorer isn' t it a shitty browser ooooh yes ... just have a look at opera and firefox both are free.. and for you much they sell their windows well expensive that' s because they monopolize the market , no serious competition

Sony has sold 175 millions consoles to its gamers,100 with psx and 75 with ps2.
Does anyone here actually think they will lose this war?
People say ps3 doesnt seem to have titles... lol

1) how many xbox360 titles did you know about like 8 months before release?
2) MGS4,New GTA game,FF13,GT4,Devil may cry4,heavily sword,Resident evil 5,VF5,dragon quest 9,warhawk,brother in arms 3,tales of serie and whatever tekken game it is now... these are just some announced,we gonna hear a lot more the futurer we come to release,and the year after launch of ps3 too.

I' m a xbox fanboy,but hell no am i missing the ps3.beam me up ken ;)

Xbox360 wont win this war,but it can be big enough to win the next after the 360.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

quezcatol to your information, sony has reached 100 million units PS2 just a couple of weeks ago in the total it' s 200 million of Playstations , that' s really big...

Abasoufiane,you dont actually think sony will lose their fans to a xbox360?
If some goes xbox360 they will get their ps3 too ofc.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

well i don' t think so, although the price might cause some issues to a lot of people believe me... and as you said many of those who choose to buy a 360 will buy ps3 ...
IMO revolution and PS3 might be the best combination for next years ... 360 is tempting as well and looks very promising but still i prefer PS3, i wish i could have them both or all three , oh may be i can after all...

Oh dear. I am not a Microsoft fanboy but when I see people using piss poor arguments to backup their " I hate Microsoft" fetish it really makes me laugh.

because they release buggy stuff that' s why, remember how Win98 gave nightmares to pc users, even xp now well it' s so much better than win98 thank god that' s the least thing but still it' s far from perfect...

Ok, I' ll be the first to admit that Windows isn' t perfect. Neither is any other piece of software on the market. A lot of people complain about Microsoft' s OS stability problems, stating Linux/Unix is better. Those people also dont realise or choose to forget that Microsoft as an OS company is just now becomming mature. When Unix was released it had a lot more problems than windows ever did. The difference between them now is that Unix has had more time to fix its problems.

If you look at the errors per lines of code relationship you' ll actually find that MS products are one of the lowest in the industry. (this relates to known and fixed errors prior product release - meaning their coding level is a lot higher to begin with).

The main reason why we see so many hacks and virii exploiting Windows is simply because it' s the most commonly used OS. If Mac OSX or Linux were the most predominant OS' s today, we' d see the same thing happen to them.

just look at Internet explorer isn' t it a shitty browser ooooh yes ... just have a look at opera and firefox both are free..

I mostly agree with you here. Internet Explorer is where I think Microsoft dropped the ball. I am using Firefox at the moment and I absolutely love it. The actual performance of Internet explorer is great and renders pages better than Firefox and Opera. However, the introduction of ActiveX controls didn' t seem very smart to me. I could see where Microsoft was coming from but they did it in the worst way possible - allowing almost anyone to have direct access to your computer.

Again, the main reason why we see so many problems resulting from the use of IE is because it' s the most commonly used web browser. If you' re going to write a virus, you want to get the maximum effect. If you check the Firefox changelog from version to version you' ll see that they' re fixing security holes and exploits just as regularly as Microsoft does with IE.

and for you much they sell their windows well expensive that' s because they monopolize the market , no serious competition

Never had any problem affording Microsoft products here. If you can afford a $3000 PC and buy games for $50 then I am sure you can afford to buy Windows XP for $100. For Microsoft office, just get the Student version for $120. They don' t ask you for any student verification.

Microsoft is the biggest because they provided what people wanted. It' s as simple as that. Basic everyday functions which people do on their PCs are things which people expect the OS to give them capability for. The capacity to de-integrate has only ever been the real issue, and that process is now a quite simple one for people who choose to use third-party tools rather than the included ones. They did it well, they got big, stop sniffling about it!

Internet Explorer has one important advantage over Firefox, it successfully streams Kikizo' s videos!!!1!

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

*stroking shiny new 2Ghz DP Apple G5* ......my sleek, sexy, virus free beauty.....

..... Bill Gates can kiss Steve Jobs' apple green a$$....

...hey Bogman, how about getting your web-masters to make your videos available to Safari users?.... and what' s with the site??, it like takes half an hour to load a page......

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Everyone who thinks that 360 will outsell and outperform PS3 has to be out of their mind. PS3 simply burries 360 will all its new and killer features, never before seen in a gaming console. Will it be more expensive, of course, a better system will has more expensive right. Just think about the 1080p output. even though 1080p is still expensive and in small demand, but imagine in couple of years when 1080p TVs will be on every shelf of every electronics store, PS3 will be there to take advantage of that 360 won' t. Besides having 2 video output with the same quality from one PS3, to that' s something unbelievable, you would need 2 360 to enjoy 2 player gaming like the PS3. what about 7 bluetooth controllers (which is a standard), i love football and settting up a monday night football game with 6 of my buddies for the whole season will be the most amazing thing ever. Not to mention the new eyetoy2. i mean doens' t matter if the PS3 will cost an extra 100-200 bucks, honestly just think about how long does it take you to save up an extra bill. I' m so confident that the overall gaming experience of 360 will not top PS3, and that' s just in the beggining, im not even talking about couple years down the road. 2-3 years later PS3 will be considered the top gaming console in the world no doubt!!!

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making an OS is not as easy as making any other program, first off. second, winxp is pretty good if u ask me. Next year we' ll be seeing Windows Vista (Longhorn originally), which is gonna be much better and a year after that we' ll see the new WinFS system, which will make browsing ur computer much much faster and give u many many more options, basically ur pc will work faster with that wndows file system.

I can stream videos with firefox here. took me a while to configure the multimedia settings and all, but i got it working. Try using FasterFox, it' s en extension that makes firefox surf websites faster, and it works, I have it.

Minde0511, how can u really say what you are saying. Yes ps3 is the market leader as of now, but you never know what might happen lately. The ps3 has dual outputs, but who' s gonna have 2 hdtvs set in one room, both supporting 1080p naturally. You' d have to be rich, and most gamers aren' t. You can connect 7 controllers, but how is that gonna look on a game where the more users u have the more the screen splits. how good are the games gonna look on a 7-split screen tv? for other games, like madden or something, then yeah, it' s a good innovation.

Will the ps3 be able to play pc games? NO, no way. the architecture is diff, diff processor, i dunno if current OS can support cell. remember, it took them a while before they were actually able to emulate a mac OS in the original Xbox, and that didn' t have all the features, and the Xbox is the only console closest to a pc, and the ps3 is something far from it.

Quezcatol, we have known about 360 games for a while, and if ur really a xbox fanboy u would' ve known this. If u want somekind of a list of the upcoming games for the 360, go to 1up' s website and they have it, not updated, as i' ve seen and know about more titles to be released on the 360, than that list says.

About the eyetoy thing. Don' t forget, 360 will have a camera, so I' m sure they can use that as an eyetoy.

Sony I think will put a lower price on the ps3 and lose money. I think that if they actually wanted to make some profit, they would have to price the ps3 a little too high, since it spent much more money on the ps3 than MS did on the 360. I don' t really know how they are doing economically, so it all depends on that. After all, console companies don' t make most of their profit, if not all of their profit, from the consoles, but they make the money from the games that are sold for that console. I also think ps3 will dominate this gen, but the next one, the ps4 might actually lose. To whom? that will be hard to tell as of now, but we' ll know later on.

**Update: I just read that CNN Money had published an article saying that Sony CEO Howard Stringer commented on the ps3 price to be between 300-400 dollars, and then apparently it removed the quotation since Stringer has not made any comments on the price so far. This probabily says that the ps3 will cost more than $500. Good websites to visit for this kind of info are ps3scene and gameinsudtry.biz

Since this thread is so much off topic, ill push it a bit further.

No offence Minde, but spreading hopeless proganda in this forum isnt really going to work, people seem fairly intelligent.

None of us really knows what the PS3 will be able to do, whether or not it will be more powerful than the Xbox 360. No games they have shown so far cant be made on the box as well, even MGS 4. Also remember, Sony says PS3 will run on a 10 year cycle, which means in 5 years, MS will release another Console, which will be faster and more advanced than the PS3, and thus burry it in the dust for the next 5 years to come.

I dont think Xbox360 will sell better than PS3, but i think it will outshine it, it will selll well simply because people buy Playstation, because they' v always had playstation!

Vx chemical , you ask minde to not spread faulse info basing on speculations but that' s what you did by the end of your message ... xbox360 will outshine PS3 ???
are u sure of that or is it another speculation ??

i agree with you lot of people will buy PS3 just because they had PS2 or PS1 but hey were these bad consoles, of course not ?? they will buy PS3 simply because sony didn' t disapointe people , playstation brand has awesome games do that console didn' t reach the top just because of its name , what kind of silly thought is that?? it' s because it has very good games that' s why it is now the leader ok??

also there is higher probability that PS3 will be at least as powerful as xbox360, sony is not stupid enough to release its console almost one year later (may be) and has less power or may be something equivalent ... that didn' t happen through the history why should it happen now???

the only ace card that xbox truly has is its x box live feature and i' m sure sony will implement something more or less equivalent

its the PS3 price that might make a major difference ...

Playstation never really had competition untill xbox appeared, but that was even way later when it had already sold millions. Nobody really wanted an xbox cause lets face it they are pretty much the same only each console had certain exclusive titles.
Now in the last year there have been more xbox consoles sold than ps2. why? cause most people already have ps2s.

Now microsoft have released their next gen console. a year earlier than ps3. This will hurt sony because by the time ps3 comes out in europe...dec probably with maybe 10 launch titles, the 360 would' ve had probably 100 titles already with the same quality graphics as a ps3. Plus the 360 price will be reduced. If you ask me microsoft have a good chance. I myself will not be buying a ps3 since final fantasy XIII, Dragon quest, resident evil 5, soul calibur IV are likely to see a x360 release too. But if I do buy a ps3 it would only be for Metal Gears solid.

Vx chemical , you ask minde to not spread faulse info basing on speculations but that' s what you did by the end of your message ... xbox360 will outshine PS3 ???
are u sure of that or is it another speculation ??

I clearly stated it was what i think. I think the repetoir of games in the xbox library is better than that of the playstation.

Regarding something similar than the live service, Sony has already stated that online services is up to the developers and not them.

I do think the PS3 will be a powerful console, and i didnt say i thought it would be less powerfull than Xbox, but little is known of the cell cpu, other than that its hell to code for, where is the XNA tools for the Xbox are heaven. And even Nvidia stated at one point that their GPU was less advanced than the GPU which is in the Xbox.

The PS2 outsold the xbox because it got on the market first, and because of Sony' s market advantage with the PS1, not because it had better games.

It all boils down to a matter of opinion, and what type of games you like. I like western games!

These are all my opinions, as iv stated before, but still its too late to say which console is best, and which will win the war!

Kutaragi wants games to be displayed in 120 FPS and 1080p - now that' s what HE said - the man who proved his " honesty" many times.Wait for it to come out if you want to know what it can do.

I don' t think 360 will beat PS3 but it may gain a better market share than X (PS is a HUUUUGE brand)).

I wouldn' t rule out Nintendo as easily as most of you but that' s just me.

I don' t think that OS that is used the most can have more bugs found in it - quite the opposite.If your OS is creating problems for many users it is easy to update it and repair some gliches (especially when you have a reporting option).

It' s not that it' s pushed so hard all over the wolrd that the bugs come out - the individual experience is what counts.

So if from 100 WinXP users 100 had at least one crash and some minor bugs and with MacOS 50 from 100 never had a problem - that means someone didn' t care enough and that someone is MS.

I totally agree that MicroSofts monopoly is the worst scenario.Having that said Sony is terrible as well - PS2' s are a great example of that.No monopoly is good.
Games are evolving thanks to competition.It will be even better for us when the market share is 50/50 (PS3/X360) - (Nintendo can also be 50% in that scenario-sice they aim for the " next to PS3/Xbox360" thing)

MS will help gamers a lot - it will make Sony care again - like with PSX when they fought for people and not the other way around.

That' s what I hope at least ...No one knows what will happen.

give me exemples of horrible things that sony did with its ps2

-Cheap components and short life of avarage PS2
-Dated technology (right from the start - less RAM than DC and much worse than GCN but still more expensive)
-False system performance statements
-Online
-Terrible games at launch

It has become a fantastic system over last 1-2 years - but it sold very good thanks to the PlayStation BRAND and hype (based on lies)- so many systems sold forced Devs to make games for it and eventually to make it a succesful system that it is today.
And yes it is the best system when it comes to games right now , cause graphics ain' t everything -plus some very pretty games come out lately.That said it' s not another PSX.