Betrayed! Damn you Nintendo

Does anyone else besides me feel betrayed by Nintendo? Let me tell you a little story.
Once upon a time there was a game. A game called Sonic Mega collection. This was a wonderful game and it was exclusive to Nintendo Gamecube, something that made the Gamecubes owners proud! Especially since they lacked exclusives worth buying.
But then came the dark times as money became more importand that loyalty. The once so trusty Sega betrayed Nintendo by releasing the game for Xbox and PS2 as well but with MORE features than the original! And since Nintendo failed to keep Sega loyal, they failed their fans as well.
But this was not all, see, Sega have betrayed Nintedo twice! The game called Super Monkey Ball, a great game indeed, exclusive to Gamecube was released for the Xbox and PS2 after some GC exclusive time! And this time it was called Super Monkey Ball DELUXE to make clear that this was truly a better version than the GCs!
And the latest betrayal and also the greatest, was not made by Sega but Capcom. I believe you have all heard this tale. A tale of a legendary game RESIDENT EVIL 4. At first it was exclusive to the GC, and we Gamecube owners were so happy to finally have a game you could use as an example when you wanted to prove Nintendo has great 3rd party support. I know every GC owner felt something speciall in their hearts when they knew only they could play it.
But one day the greatest evil in the empire, the Capcom stock-holders, demanded that the loyal Shinji Mikami (who said he would cut his head off if the game was ported) and his team to make a PS2 version. This they did, and not only did they port it, but they made great improvements as well making the GC version seem obsolete! And thus the last pride off the GC owners vanished, as well as their loyalty to Nintendo.
My point is, man do I feel stupid buying RE4 and the other games for the full price when they are released half a year later as improved versions!
I don' t have anything against PS2 or Xbox but Nintendo common! What the he-l are you doing!

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Sega are a money making company as all other big companies around the world are,they really doesnt care about how nintendo is doing,and also they rather see more profit then to help their former enemy.
Btw i dont see games as GTA serie as multiformat,even though they came to xbox,because they came so long before to ps2,same with those GC games you said,i mean you doesnt want to wait extra months for great games now do you?
When basically is the same graphic and control.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Super Monkey Ball Deluxe is inferior to both the Gamecube Super Monkey Balls.

Console elitism is all well and good for those who don' t own all the consoles. When you do it becomes pretty pointless. Basically I think it' s a good thing Sega have brought out other games for other platforms. It means the maximum amount of people get to see them. As for Rezi 4, I think the Gamecube version is supposed to be technically superior to the PS2 version and everyone who wants it for the cube has got it. Why keep it on a console like that when porting it to PS2 means more people can enjoy the thing?

Sega is a THIRD-PARTY developer, there' s no such thing as betrayal when it comes to that.

If I had my way there would be absolutely NO such thing as 3rd party Exclusive games. I' ve ALWAYS despised the notion 3rd party exclusive games. Third party games would hit all viable platforms at the same damn time.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

But...square-enix and their sony support :O without them ps3 will lose the game and its soul.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

In my opinion, Square-Enix lost it' s way after Sakaguchi left. Things stopped becoming special and became pretty generic.

Hmm, ok.
Sega is a company, yes, but so are Nintendo. My point is NOT that Sega has betrayed Nintendo. My point is that Nintendo has betrayed their fans buy not making good bussiness. If they would have made a deal with Sega, the games would have been exclusive, that' s what business is all about!
And exclusive titles are extremely important as buyers often decide their console of choice based on the games released/to-be-released for the console. And if Xbox and PS2 has great exclusive 3rd party titles, then the GC would appear a bad investment for a gamer. When I bought GC I was expecting Nintendo to keep good relations with 3rd party companies bringing me great games that would make the GC worth investing in but this has not been done, thus they have betrayed the GC buyers by making the GC a bad buy.
Also I think there is a difference between the GTA series and the RE4 regarding the multiformat issue. GTA wasn' t improved much most noticably a little graphics boost for the Xbox. This made the PS2 version seem almost as good. But RE4 for PS2 contains 20 extra hours of gameplay as well as new weapons, areas and costumes!!! This really makes the GC version look pretty underwhelming, especially since the PS2 version almost has the same level of graphics. This makes you think " damn I should have bought a PS2" . Even though you can afford both, or even have both consoles, this makes the GC less valuable.
As a gamer I like everyone to be able to play most of the great games regardless of which console they own, of course, but still, exclusive titles are NECESSARY in order to keep THREE consoles alive. If all games would be released for all consoles then everyone would simply buy the most powerfull console and the other two would fade away!
Xbox has Ninja Gaiden, DOA, Fable, Shenmue etc.
PS2 has Final Fantasy, Virtua Fighter, Gran Turismo etc.
GC has... not many 3rd party exclusives worth buying... I know there are some, just can' t think of them right now... SEE!

Ideally, 3rd party games shouldn' t be exclusive, leaving the exclusive stuff to 1st and 2nd party developers to make.. When it comes to 3rd party games I' d like think that gamers who own whatever platform will have the opportunity to check out a certain kickass game. They shouldn' t be punished just because they could only afford that one console.

I' d REALLY REALLY love it if the gaming industry finally reached the point where the only determining factor for buying one console over another was based entirely on the strengths of the first and second party offerings.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

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I' d REALLY REALLY love it if the gaming industry finally reached the point where the only determining factor for buying one console over another was based entirely on the strengths of the first and second party offerings.

I agree with you, Terry, but as we know, this is getting further and further from reality. With the consoles becoming so vastly diffent, as far as architecture and developement goes, we seem to be slipping away from that idea. I mean, every generation there seems to be a growing divergence between the platforms. It was pretty pronounced this past generation as far a capabilities go, and this generation it seems to be happening more-so in the developmental process.

I think we' ll probably see more console exclusives from third parties this time around, except from the HUGE development houses (such as EA and Ubisoft), who can afford to spend time porting games from one system to another or working on two or three versions at once.

I' m just waiting for EA and Ubisoft to release their jointly developed console! Their top selling game will be Tom Clancy' s Madden. Stealth football at it' s best!

Holly shit ...man ...That' s a mad mans talking - " Nintendo betrayed me , Sega betrayed me ..."

Sega never had any kind of exclusive relation with Nintendo , and you say they could keep them " loyal" if they wanted to?

When it comes to Capcom it' s a different story but it' s hard to blame them.

You should know that most of exclusives are TIME exclusives though- nothing more.

Still I have to agree with you that N is not getting cool 3rd party exclusives and that' s just lame cuz they can easily afford it.

Terry Bogard - I totally disagree - when you make a game for all 3 systems it' s quality becomes the quality of the least powerfull system , slightly upgraded for the other 2 - we' ve seen it this generation.I think it sux.It' s great when they make games like Splinter Cell that actually are different on X and PS2 but then again GCN owners got a port of PS2 (lacking) version even though their system could' ve handled much more.

You end up having a powerfull system and playing PS2 games on it.

Terry Bogard - I totally disagree - when you make a game for all 3 systems it' s quality becomes the quality of the least powerfull system , slightly upgraded for the other 2 - we' ve seen it this generation.I think it sux.It' s great when they make games like Splinter Cell that actually are different on X and PS2 but then again GCN owners got a port of PS2 (lacking) version even though their system could' ve handled much more.

You end up having a powerfull system and playing PS2 games on it.

That' s not always the case. With some titles in the past it was easier to develop the game around the specs of the most powerful console and just trim out / downgrade the stuff for the other consoles. From what I read, It' s easier to downgrade than upgrade game graphics. If all three platforms were equally viable and profitable then I think we' d see more of that, but it' s no surprise at all to me that developers would develop some multiplatform titles around the PS2 hardware since it has the biggest install base.


And like Chee Saw said, if a company has the resources then the problem of porting or splitting development isn' t so much a problem anymore.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

Maybe I am mad...
Ok, Sega didn' t really betray Nintendo since Nintendo never had an exclusive deal. BUT, Nintendo COULD have had it if they would have made good business offering Sega something. But they don' t seem care about the people who by the GC so they didn' t!
I mean, Virtua Fighter 4 is PS2 exclusive (I don' t count the arcades) and Otogi, as well as Panzer dragoon Orta, are Xbox exclusives. Those games have until today been exclusives and it doesn' t look like they will become " time-exclusives" . So a deal between Nintendo and Sega shouldn' t have been impossible.

Should only 1st and 2nd party titles decide the buyers choice of console? I don' t think that is a realistic idea since there aren' t enough games from those developers to motivate buying a technically inferior console. Unless, for example, Nintendo, use more money for developing games but that will harm the console development team as well as other parts of the company. That might force companies like Nintendo to go the Sega way, to quit the console development.
I know huge development houses have more money and can afford to develop games for all platforms. But that requires more time, manpower, planning and knowledge. This will hurt the industy as fewer games will be released as development costs and the time needed will skyrocket. And unique abilites in each console system will be taken less advantage off.
This also makes it harder for smaller development houses, who can' t afford to port games, to make a name for themselves.

Would you like to have an industry where there are only two development houses who take forever developing their games and doesn' t use each platforms unique abilities?
I love Nintendo and most of what they do. But business and caring about their customers are things they need to improve.

With the sales performance of their Xbox exclusives, Sega should have had their porting department on immediate standby, ready to port those suckers over to the PS2 and GameCube.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

Hehe, yeah maybe. But the Sega games for the Xbox aren' t really mainstream games. I think it would have probably been hard to sell them regardless of which console they were released for.
The Sega games for Xbox are more suited for the japanese market imo. And since the Xbox isn' t doing well over there, the games might have been doomed right from the start. If they would have been released for PS2 or GC a broader group of the japanese gaming population would have had the chance to buy the games.

Just have to add:
Even though they didn' t sell well, the games were very important to Mircosoft as they have for a long time been trying to make the japanese more interested in their Xbox consoles.
Both Sega and Microsoft probably knew that the games wouldn' t become best-sellers, but I think Microsoft really wanted an exclusive deal so that the other two consoles lacked the appeal that the games gave Xbox.
Maybe Microsoft wanted the japanese to think " Hmm, if Xbox had those great exclusive games, then maybe I should buy Xbox360 in case Microsoft makes the same move again because those are great games!"
This is the reason for why console exclusivity is important! It helpes certain trademarks to become stronger in specific markets. In this case, Microsoft must have appealed to the japanese public.

Why don' t japanese ppl like xbox?? I always wondered. Anyways, this gen we will see more exclusivity cuz of the differences in console architectures and everything about them. Microsoft is trying to create a monopoly by doing what they' re doing (i dun really care since i love xbox and im sure ill love 360 even more), Sony and their Blu-Ray discs....how r developers gonna make a 15 gig game for ps3 and then port it to 360 or vice versa. Don' t even get me started on stupid Nintendo and their remote control...GC fanboys r gonna get bigger biceps and forearms and look funny, especially if they play some hack and slash game like Ninja Gaiden (no offence).

I think 360 is gonna have support from more developing studios this time around since production costs will be lower compared to ps3. This is proven by the fact that even square enix (who i personally thought would never make a xbox Final Fantasy game) is gonna make games for them (not that i really care about FF series). Wait until u start seeing MGS coming to 360 (the newer versions i mean cuz i kno MGS 2 Substance is available for xbox) or grand turismo. I' m leaving Rev out since they decided not to spend too much money on their hardware to make it a truly next-gen console. No one is gonna make games for them, except for small japanese studios im sorry to say.

Nintendo doesn' t have enough money to sign a exclusivity contract w/ Sega for ex. They' re not doing as good as the other two.

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Lack of RPG' s.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Wow, next-gen speculations. I will not try to figure out the outcome , I' ll just see it in the future.
But Revolution seems to have interested a lot of 3rd party developers.
You say that it isn' t truly a next-gen console... have you seen the specs? If you haven' t than take back what you said and wait for some official word from Nintendo. I am pretty sure however that the graphic power will be far less than of Xbox360 or PS3 but I don' t care about graphics that much. I am actually more impressed by the visuals of Resident Evil 4 or Metroid Prime than of DOA4, or any other 360 game so far, thanks to the great design in RE4. And design is what counts imo.
Japanese doesn' t like Xbox because it lacks appealing games. It is known that japanese gamers prefer gameplay over graphics and since Xbox was only known for its graphical powers it just didn' t get the japanese interested. Throw in that big plastic thing the call controller, a huge ugly chassi and the fact that there are few japanese games and you have a loser.
The produciton costs for the 360 will probably be lower than for PS3 as you say, but Revolution will have even lower production costs. This is attracting smaller developers to Revolution. A small developer doesn' t have to be a bad developer, as a lot of people seem to think. And once thay get a hit and become big they might wanna stay with Nintendo.
I doubt Gran Turismo is going to be seen on 360, because the developers work to closely with SCEJ.
You are saying that Nintendo is making less money than Sony and Microsoft? You are probably wrong, if we only count what they are making from the console sales. Microsoft is actually losing money on Xbox and Sony is losing lots of money because of ripped games and expensive technology. Nintendo, however, have low production costs which is paying off for each sold console and games for their consoles are difficult to rip.
You clearly show in your post that you have your opinions ready before you have even try stuff:
You say that you are going to love 360 more even though you haven' t played it.
You say that the Rev-controller is stupid when you have never tried it (a lot of people who have says its fun). If you think the controller will give us bigger forearms then you are stupid, not the controller.
You say that porting games from 360 to PS3 will be difficult when you have no knowledge about the techniques of porting (Porting a 15 gig game from PS3 will however require several Xbox game discs making games possible on PS3 quite impossible on the 360, assuming the Blue-Ray thing will work.)
I probably sound like a Nintendo fan-boy, but you are without a doubt a Xbox fan-boy.

honestly man, nintendo needs to make more mature games, and their GC controller is not better than the S Controller so don' t talk about the controller.

The rev controller might be fun for a week, but i can' t possibly see how fps or third person shooters will be made to accomodate the controller. Plus, if u will wanna play for 4 hours straight, won' t ur arm get tired????

It is true that a lot of small game studios will probabily team up with nintendo and that will be good for the industry cuz they will get a chance to make some money and expand, make some good games and stuff like that.

About the porting thing, i dun think they gonna make 5 dvd games for xbox (exaggerating here) from ps3. Plus, porting will not be as easy cuz of the way the 360 cores r set up. anyways, u can' t really call me a xbox fanboy cuz i actually also own a ps2. And I know microsoft is losing money on every xbox they sell, but that doesn' t hurt them one bit cuz they get a sh**load more money from software and stuff, don' t forget, it' s a a multi-billion dollar company, they got money to throw around.

im guessing the japanese market didn' t really like xbox cuz it was american, and cuz it barely had any rpg games. and what r u talking about when u say they don' t have a good library of games. dude, they do have a good library of games, don' t make me start naming them...

neways, u have ur opinions and I can' t change ' em. i' m just expressing my view of things, I might be wrong, who knows what happens, all i know is im buying all three consoles and if i don' t like any, ill just trade it in at EB Games for some games.

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Nintendo doesn' t have enough money to sign a exclusivity contract w/ Sega for ex. They' re not doing as good as the other two

Well that' s BS and noone here will bother to explain why since we believe people posting things know what they are saying

I agree about Xbox - those few good games are not a library.
Owning a PS2 is not enough proof of not being a fan boy it is a common sense these days (and I don' t have one yet hehe)

I own only an Xbox but I consider it less cool than PS2 and GCN , but it has it' s moments.

Still saying your opinions about revolution and dissin' FF series means something you know.

Albogino! Nintendo does have mature games, it' s just that their marketing has been really strange, and that PS2 and Xbox are marketing them selves as consoles with lots of mature action games. If you look carefully at the GCs library you' ll notice that they have lots of mature games but that they are equal in numbers compared to other games. The PS2 and the Xbox however, have got " mature" games in abundance.
And what the hell is an " mature" game? Can' t a game be fun and mature just because you aren' t blowing up a building or shooting someone in the head? Do you have some system where the amount of blood in a game decides how mature it is? I think it is the gamers who needs to mature, not Nintendo.
You' re saying that the GC controller is not any better than the Xbox S controller. HAHAHA that' s BS! The S controler is better than the normal controller but it is still uncomfortable and boring. The GC controller has been praysed for it' s incredibly ergonomic design. It truly becomes a part of you hands. I' d say it is the most comfortable controller ever made!
Even though MS have money to throw around, they won' t throuw around forever if there' s no profit. And I doubt Japan will be a profitable market for them which gives PS3 and Rev a big advantage.
People think you will get tired in the arms if you use the Rev controller but listen, did anyone say you have to keep your arm straight out in the air like som retard? No! Just hold it close to the body as usual and waye with it a little. Next time you play a game with a regular controller, look carefully how much you wave aroud with it. You' ll be supresed to see that it is probably as much as you need to use the Rev controller.
XBox does not have a good library. They have a few exclusive games that are worth bying. The rest are just PC ports and multiplatform games.

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You' re saying that the GC controller is not any better than the Xbox S controller. HAHAHA that' s BS! The S controler is better than the normal controller but it is still uncomfortable and boring. The GC controller has been praysed for it' s incredibly ergonomic design. It truly becomes a part of you hands. I' d say it is the most comfortable controller ever made!

It' s probably just a matter of preference, but I disagree. I think the GC controller looks like a 7 year old made it. The buttons just seem slapped on in random fashion. Also, it probably would be comfortable, if I had smaller hands (think Japanese), alas, I do not. Trying to use that stupid little yellow stick for FPSs gives me hand cramps to no end. The original Xbox controller suited me fine. The S controller is better because of the placement of the black and white buttons, but WORSE because of the placement of the back and start buttons. It looks like the 360 controller will suit me just fine.

ORIGINAL: ginjirou

XBox does not have a good library. They have a few exclusive games that are worth bying. The rest are just PC ports and multiplatform games.

Once again, it' s just a matter of preference, but I think the Xbox library kills both of the others, especially Nintendo. The only game I played extensively on my GC was Metroid Prime. I tried out several other " top selling" games and found that the demographic for the GC must not include me, because I didn' t enjoy them at all. On the PS2 I did play the hell out of FFX and God of Way, but that' s about it. There are a couple more titles that I' m interested in though.

As far as the Xbox having PC " ports" , that is true because only the Xbox can give a comparable performance to a pc game. Having a PS2 and PC only game wouldn' t happen unless you' ve got a Pentium II computer. Also, I don' t like the use of the word " port" as many of the games that are exclusive to both the PC and Xbox release at about the same time, or on the Xbox first. I also believe that this is a good thing, since I don' t play games on my computer, so it doesn' t really matter if it came out on PC first, as it would still be new to me.

call me a fanboy, I don' t care, LoL. Xbox does have a good library of games dude, really. okay, the top-selling or most popular games r made for the 3 platforms anyway. After that we talk about games that r made only for 2 platforms, and they usually r ps2 and xbox. then come the EXCLUSIVE titles for consoles and I think there is where the diff. is. Chee Saw is right when he says it' s a matter of preference but honestly man, how can u say xbox sucks. Just cuz it didn' t do well in Japan, that doesn' t mean anything. And don' t think that they' re gonna be losing money with the 360 either. I think more ppl r actually gonna buy more 360s this time around. Their library seems to be broadening too, so u can' t say their library sucks now. They' re even gonna have arcade games for u.

Honestly man, I' ve played GC at my buddy' s house and the controller just doesn' t feel as comfortable as the S controller. Xbox' s PC ports r sick games man, what r u talking about. U don' t like far cry, doom, fable or whatever else is there. I could give u a huge list of good games for xbox but that would take too much time. anyways, the fact that they' re getting support from a lot more japanese game studios for the 360 should tell u something dude. If u look at the 360, it doesn' t just have " more power" but a lot more functions too. it really is an entertainment system. Can even connect to the PC. We' ll see how they do, all i kno is im getting one for sure.
*I just can' t see how u gonna play FPS games on the Rev.

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Hoooold it! I never said Xbox sucks, please, I enjoy playing games on the Xbox, it is a good console. And I think the 360 will be an even better console. I just prefer the other two. As you said, it is a matter of preference.
The thing is that people are constantly saying negative stuff about the GC that I just can' t agree with. So I try to show people my view of the other consoles so that they can see why I like the GC.
I still think Nintendo is bad at making good 3rd party exclusive deals!
Almost everyone I' ve talked to dislikes the Xbox controller and loves the GC controller (except for fighting games). And this is what I have read in several videogame magazines. But I don' t have any actual statistics on that. Maybe we should make a poll so people could vote or something?
So what if the GC controller looks like something a 7 year old made? Spray paint it or whatever. The buttons are placed perfectly to fit most games (except fighting games). Maybe it looks like a Fisherprice Toy (purple really was a bad choice of color!) but it is functional and comfortable. But if you have big hands and find the Xbox controller more comfortable then I guess I can' t argue with you.
Most people have a PC. Why play PC games on the Xbox when they are more fun on the PC?
Please, give me that huge list of good Xbox games and I' ll give you an even bigger list of good PS2 or GC games! And I' m talking exclusives here!

u won' t agree with that " HUGE" list (which i never said it was huge btw, it would just take me time to make it, there' s no point)

umm, y play pc games on the xbox when on the pc they r more fun ???(partly agree about this last part, depending on what game ur playing) cuz with pcs u have to continuously upgrade, and it becomes too expensive.

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Hmm. You got a point there, PCs are expensive to upgrade. But I do think that there are to few PC games that become available for the Xbox to motivate someone to buy a Xbox. Half-life 2, Doom 3, and Far Cry are good games, but sadly they are all in the same genre and those three games are pretty much the only PC games worth buying for the Xbox. Considering they each cost about 300-500 dollars per game (depending on which country you are from) for the console while they are much cheaper for the PC (after a very short while), you can save all the money for the upgrade! And I' d prefer to play one of the games on a PC, than to play all three of them on the Xbox. But that' s just my opinion, I understand if you feel differently about that. It' s about what you prioritate, quality, or quantity.

Almost everyone I' ve talked to dislikes the Xbox controller and loves the GC controller (except for fighting games).

Actually I LOVE the GameCube controller for all types of games Including Fighting games! Like I said before, as far as current generation 1st party controllers go, the Nintendo Wave Bird and I are gettin married ;).. The only real problem I have with the Xbox controller(s) are the two buttons on the lower right of the controller. I almost always forget that they' re even there and often times have to look down at the controller while playing a game that utilizes those buttons. The Xbox 360 controller is pretty much a godsend. So soft, so ergonomic. Microsoft definitely did their homework.. My problem with Sony' s controller is the D-pad design which is a HUGE problem to me. I can' t even put into words how much I hate that controller because of the D-pad!! lol.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

I agree completely. There is nothing more to say. Thank you for your words of wisdom.

Oops, I made a big mistake. I wrote 300-500 dollars. It' s supposed to be 30-50 dollars :P