has sony really overhyped the PS2 ??

here is a good forum that i found to close some bad mouths, you can realise from some pictures that " sony under promised and over delivered" while many of you don' t share the same point of view, check out the link and free your mind ;)

one of you guys told me in the other thread that i was wrong and the old man of the tech demo looked much better than faces in Silent Hill 3 (damn i can' t remember who) ... well anyway i guess now i have a nice back up Hush !


EDIT:

here is the link i forgot to past lol sorry guys

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=34741&page=1&pp=50&highlight=ps2+tech+demos

But we still can' t " jack into the matrix" the way Kutaragi promised

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

look,they showed a trailer of how getaway might look on ps3,that was 100% pre-rendered.

Only one buying it was the sony fanboys...


http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/getaway/screens.aspx?page=5

this is what ken promised with getaway to ps2,it was gonna be able to deliver London,with a unbelivble graphic...

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/getaway/screens.aspx?page=117

Apperently something happend in the development...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

first i don' t remember Ken said somethin g about The Gateway specialy when that game was annouced at least a year and half after Ps2 launch

secondly that' s the devloper' s fault and it happens so many times with all current and previous consoles well even next gen ( man just look at how Ea annouced Fifa 2006 on Next gen, you can see the grass and even sweat on players!! and how it looks now on xbox 360 ... that' s sad)

Sony overhypes. It' s a fact. Just look at what' s going on with Blu-Ray. Sony' s been telling us how it has a huge storage capacity and it will hold 100Gigs, yada, yada, yada... The truth- the largest functioning capacity for a Blu-Ray disc is 20Gigs. HD-DVD is even out doing that by 5 Gigs. Icould give many more examples of how Sony over hypes and down right lies to the consumers but it' s not worth it.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Sony has to over-hype to make up for their small products!

Videogaming is the contemporary interactive pasttime.

Of course they overhyped the ps2, remember when they said it would support Toy Story graphics? Now they are overhyping the ps3 showing cinematics and confusing simple minded Sony fanboys with words like real time and flops.

oh please i see there are lot of anti sony people around there, damn it' s like if this company didn' t bring anything to this industry and i remind you people that it' s because of the PLAYSTATION that video game is what it is today... in the forum that i gave you the link to, many many people shared my point of view it' s not like i' m a lunatic or something, most of people are " very" happy of what PS2 achieved ... yes sony exagerated i think but it wasn' t that bad, it delivered most of what it promised, shame to x box that is much more powerful and didn' t have many games to impress, even Gamecube that is less powerful has the most beautiful games...

Game Junkie, The one who said Ps2 can play Toy story in real time is " George Lucas..." starwars guy

Abasoufiane, I know it seems as though we are all Sony haters here, but that' s just not true. Most of us are gonna get the PS3 when it releases, and most of us own either a Playstation or PS2 (or both).

The fact of the matter is that Sony is getting a little too full of themselves for us gamers. They believe that gamers will follow them like lemmings, with whatever products they release. This HAS been the case thus far, however, I don' t think it will continue indefinitely. How often can you over-promise and under-deliver? I realize that they shoot for the moon, when it comes to technology, but at some point they need to step back and take a look at the big picture.

ooooh myy god i just can' t believe it!!! this is soooo funny and stupid frome me , well from the begining i thought i past the link but i actualy forgot !!! and you didn' t even notice , i bet you thought i' m a weirdo i' m talking about a back up but there was no back up in my posts lool all right i must have ate something

ok here is the link, the forum i was talking about !!! glad i noticed the mess

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=34741&page=1&pp=50&highlight=ps2+tech+demos

There' s one interesting bit about that discussion. The part about particles. I' m not entirely sure about the Xbox' s strengths in that department compared to the PlayStation 2 but I always found it kind of suspect that a number of developers easily flaunted the PS2' s capabilities in that department but I never got to see anything as impressive from the Xbox.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

I think it' s sad that so many gamers seem to be concerned with which next-gen console will be the most powerful, especially when the difference will be marginal (think Dreamcast/PlayStation 2). Don' t be fooled by Sony' s fancy tech demos. As the poster proved, there is a noticable difference in graphical quality between early tech demos and launch titles. Now imagine what Xbox 360 games will look like in a couple of years. They will like the same as PS3 games in that time, if not better. The only difference is that Microsoft has Xbox Live, which is much more exciting than Blu-ray.

It' s Sony' s own stupid fault for getting themselves in a position where everything they say is scrutinized.

I' ve said it heaps before, Sony needs to stop showing people " tech demos" . Tech demos are a load of crap to put it bluntly. It has no relevance whatsoever to games because in real world situations it simply isn' t possible.

EG: Sony' s PS3 " Lots of Ducks demo" . ZOMG The PS3 can create " mathematically correct" water!!!! What good is this to games if it takes 100% of the processing power to do so? It can never be included into a game so why in hell show it in the first place? If there' s no practical application to this " mathematically correct" water then why waste time with it?

Wow the PS3 can play 1000 movie files at once. What has this got to do with games? Is anyone ever going to watch 1000 movie files at once?

It' s the same with all the other tech demos they' ve shown. Here' s an idea Sony. Why don' t you show real games instead of marketing hype? This is where Sony really rubs me the wrong way. Please show me some " playable" games (keyword PLAYABLE) that have AI, Physics, High polygon counts, etc all working at the same time.

Sony of course always has and will tell the people only what they want them to hear - it' s the same with most companies - it' s just that Sony tends to blatantly bullshit and not care what people think. This is why people get the impression that they overhype things.

Its true that these console' s will be equal in strenght even though ps3 will be little stronger,and we will see that little advantage in games like FF13+MGS4+Gran turismo,Devil may cry 4 probably.
But then xbox360 gonna have halo3,gears of war,ng2 and pgr3 and hopefully lost odyssey to fight that.
And yes im getting ps3,sony is a bunch of liars,but when i saw mgs4+ff7 tech demo i was sold.
Square-enix+konami companies that never fails you.
And to unluckyone,please tell me what you saw from xbox360 for a year ago.
Nothing?
Atleast ps3 show something,and you know why? because SONY has such a big fanbase that a lot of people demanding to see things and want to see it before they even can get to play it,because people like me are intrested.
And seriously,mgs4 might come in like 2 years,arn' t you glad you atleast get to see it?
If not probably because you want to see ps3 to fail,and is not a mgs fan,but for us other it was great,and i would happily see some early pics of ff13+ lost odyssey too,even though its coming in 2007.
And even though it wont be playable untill end of next year sometimes.
Yes i know e3 was just a bunch of CG but atleast they tried to get a pic of what we might see at the end of this next gen.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Tech demos and CG trailers suck. Oh and MS did show off 360 stuff a year ago in the form of the XNA demonstrations. All the videos are here at Kikizo.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

ORIGINAL: QuezcatoL

And to unluckyone,please tell me what you saw from xbox360 for a year ago.
Nothing?
Atleast ps3 show something,and you know why? because SONY has such a big fanbase that a lot of people demanding to see things and want to see it before they even can get to play it,because people like me are intrested.
And seriously,mgs4 might come in like 2 years,arn' t you glad you atleast get to see it?
If not probably because you want to see ps3 to fail,and is not a mgs fan,but for us other it was great,and i would happily see some early pics of ff13+ lost odyssey too,even though its coming in 2007.
And even though it wont be playable untill end of next year sometimes.
Yes i know e3 was just a bunch of CG but atleast they tried to get a pic of what we might see at the end of this next gen.

Sigh. Where in my post did I say or even imply that I want Sony to fail? I simply made the point that Tech demos are not the most ideal way to promote your console or games - which is why most people think Sony overhype things. I don' t want Sony to fail because:

A: I am getting a PS3 - I have a PS2 and PSone at home - I like a lot of Playstation games
B: Competition is good for the consumer - lower prices, more innovation

So don' t shove words down my mouth. It' s ok if you want to be wowed by flashy lights and high polygon counts. Unlike you, I' d rather see something real than something fake.

Mgs4 was real time,so dont talk about showing something that " wowed by flashy lights and high polygon counts" when they showed the game in real time.
A gameplay of a game coming in 2 year how often do you see that? all they can show is the game in real time,not more what is the problem?
Wasn' t the trailer impressive? oh yeah,im sure the A.I and physics will make the cell tremble after learning it for 2 years further yeah right.
Please tell me what was fake in MGS4 video,when kojima stopped the game and showed it was real under TGS,please show me what was fake.
You know Lost odyssey shown at e3 was real time,was it fake too?

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Even tho this is really in the wrong section but we' re on the track of PS3 and I didn' t want to post rumors as facts. But I just got wind that the cell technology has been dropped because it couldn' t make the cut. Don' t know if it' s true yet. So, we' ll see.....<looks around wondering>

Games are your best friend as long as you don' t start talking to them.

Quez, I was referring mainly to the PS3 E3 presentation - and how disgusted I was with it. Sorry for any confusion. At E3 Sony basically spun huge amounts of excitement out of very little. Yes MGS4 is impressive and it' s good how it is real time. I hope to see more real time games now.

In regards to lost odyssey, I didn' t see Microsoft going around boasting that it was real-time when it actually was CG (ala Killzone). Again, that is why people have such high expectations of Sony. Because of the fact that lost odyssey was shown as CG it didn' t have much of an impact on me. I' m not waiting for this game with baited breath because I simply don' t know how it will really turn out. Same goes for any other pure CG stuff I' ve seen.

Understand that I' m not dissing the PS3 and saying cell is crap or anything like that. I personally just don' t like the way that Sony markets their games. It just seems to me like they take most gamers for gullible people. I would prefer the way Nintendo markets their games rather than the way Sony does any day.

edit: This is a quote from Gamespot in regards to the controversial Killzone demonstration at E3

So how does Sony respond to the allegations? Far from being evasive, it met them head-on. " Yes, it is real time," a rep told GameSpot.

First of all,if you ask me sony and ken is a bunch of liars k,however i dont trust ms 100% either too,they been acting very bad mannors to us europeans,i mean saying that they learned the price leason why it did not sell in europe and then give us in sweden a price of 550 dollar for premium wtf?!
And then the guy peter moore has the nerve to say they invested millions of own dollars into xbox live an thats why it will kick ass in xbox360 when it cost 70-80 dollar for one year in europe,wtf? i use my own 8 mb broadband to host my games,and they take money from me,and much more then they should,and then claim they invested own money into xbox live? they took our money ffs...
But i also think ps3 is gonna be a little bit stronger,but get a weaker 3rd card,but no i dont see xbox360 as a xbox 1.5,in fact im going xbox360 over ps3,yes im getting both but the xbox360 titles speaks more to me.
Second,yes i do belive 95% of what was shown at e3 was cg from sony,but i dont think ff7 tech demo shown at e3 was fake at all nor mgs4 at TGS was anything faked,its made by konami+square-enix and i trust them more then MS and SONY,and those videos blow me away,and they was real if you ask them.
Oh btw square-enix tech demos on ff6 to n64,and ff8 to ps2 was as the games looked like later but nvm..

Oh about gamespot/Sony,i made a topic in the community forum of gamespot,why they shared budget with sony,it said they co-worked and sony paid them,then the next day i was banned,but i still got my account," quezcatol" and when you click it,it says :" is this a person you really want to be associated with" or something like that WTF?!!!!

I seen greg written a post here,mayby he can answere me why they did this to me?!

Gamespot? i deserve a damn 5 paper long apology hand written,thats horrible,if you ask me gamespot can " BEEEEEEP" i loved the site,but i just wanted a question answered.
They get money from Sony but they hide it,so dont ever listen to them again.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

The MGS4 demo was in real time but that deosn' t mean it will look like that in game. Sure the cutscenes will have all they great dust going on and all those particle effects and huge amounts of things going on on-screen at the same time... but that' s not when you' re actually playing it. MGS2 and 3 both used the gameplay engine for their cut scenes but the cutscenes had boosted effects, higher poly counts, and plenty of other touch ups. As far as them freezing the movie and looking around, that' s still easy to do in a cut scene because the AI still is in, the physics still aren' t in, very few lines of code are running. It' s basically freezing a premade animation and looking around. While I trust MGS4 will look pretty damn close to that I can' t say it will be identical.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Hey it was me who said that old man was not that good as the tech demo - and it' s still the truth - the demo was showing complex facial expresions and that' s what I meant.

Killzone was such a big lie that only Sony could' ve gotten away with it(and even Killzone DEVS said it' s " what they want k3 to look like :) ).

MGS4 Realtime? Cool , but did you see a PS3 there somewhere?HEll maybe behind the desk Kojima had Xbox 360 playing it? :)

Kojima Actually is one of those people I trust - They showed MGS2 and then they delivered but realtime for now means realtime on workstations - and the same was with gears of war before more advanced devkits appeared.

Ken Kutaragi is a really big fuckin' liar and hypemaker and YES PS2 was a fuckin lie that faced the reality as soon as it was released.

Jaggies ,long loading times,framerate issues, worse visuals than GCN games (multiplatform titles) - that shit was daily bread.

We' ve heard 77 mln polys / s or 20 mln with effects and Nintendo said 6-12 mln in actual gameplay -and wow GCN is much more advanced it turns out.

MS said 100 mln polys/s but at least that shit was true.

Oh by the way anyone here remembers how PS2 were supposed to guide missiles and that' s why PS2 was " banned" in china?

All those hype stories and stuff won' t make fool out of me again - hell no.
They did great with PSX so no doubt I expected a lot from PS2 - and then I got a High Res PSX with some bonuses.

I wish PS3 ws as powerfull as they say - those games Sony " owns" are so cool no matter how they look.

I really hate those Sony fuckers and liars but I don' t feel that way about PlayStation.
Still it' s the only console I need to check serial number before buying (so many flaws in some models).

And Fanboys can say " That' s bullshit mine works fine" well then that' s just yours and you were lucky.Never before has any company done anything quite like it - Doesn' t matter if it was Sega , Nintendo , MicroSoft -those systems are good systems they don' t just BREAK.(please don' t point out that some percent of Xbox consoles was scratching DVD' s - that' s not comparable to so many years of flaws one after another)

Did you know that some people mod their ps2 slim only so it could last longer (sum0ne fix)?

From Tech point PS2 was WAAAAY overhyped and it had worse Online structure than DC (Sega.Net is actually what MS based Live on with Sega' s help) plus so many design flaws ...in fact just as many or more than PSX.

And BTW Gateway was the biggest PS2 lie and no it' s not devs fault that Sony said they have a game looking like a movie and posting real london photos.

We' ve heard 77 mln polys / s or 20 mln with effects and Nintendo said 6-12 mln in actual gameplay -and wow GCN is much more advanced it turns out.

MS said 100 mln polys/s but at least that shit was true.

Actually if i remember right it was 130 before release that they was aimin for,and not 733 mhz but 800 mhz...

Btw in PSM magazine they said killzone was real but running at 5 fps speeded up to 60... with alpha kit...
Remember that xbox360 alpha kit had problem playing cod2 good,it lagged and frooze at some part.
So we will see..
I dont belive they can deliver that great graphic with killzone2,i think they might at ps4,but they said 5 fps with alpha kit...and we all know how slow that is too though >_< but we will see..

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

What?! PSM is on F*cking crack.Guerilla themselves came out and said the video was prerendered CG. Guerilla didn' t even do it in house. They had their outside CG team do it.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

" I think it' s sad that so many gamers seem to be concerned with which next-gen console will be the most powerful, especially when the difference will be marginal (think Dreamcast/PlayStation 2). Don' t be fooled by Sony' s fancy tech demos. As the poster proved, there is a noticable difference in graphical quality between early tech demos and launch titles. Now imagine what Xbox 360 games will look like in a couple of years. They will like the same as PS3 games in that time, if not better. The only difference is that Microsoft has Xbox Live, which is much more exciting than Blu-ray."

Actually the ps2 was noticably more powerful then Dreamcast, the 360 and ps3 will be much closer then those two, the only real difference (not including games) is that ps3 has BR and 360 has supreme online support. I' m going with a 360, its coming out sooner and will have Huxley and oblivion (so far the only next gen games I want to pay for).

Yes xbox live kick ass,but its irratating that i have to pay 80 dollars for one year for it...when i myself is often the host of all games with my 8mb internet.
If sony took money from all their consumers for their online games they would manage to make something similiar but not as good,but also, a lot of those great ps3 titles suits more singel player.
And often i buy console games for SP not MP,however games like crimsonskies,halo2 and some sports games really kick ass over MP.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Btw in PSM magazine they said killzone was real but running at 5 fps speeded up to 60... with alpha kit.

Quezacotl you' re posting crap as " FACTS"

Killzone demo at 5 fps? on Alpha kits?

God what is wrong with you ? :)

Like Rampage said !!Guerillas!! said that it' s what they are !!aiming for!! with graphics and that it was a !!fancy video!!.Everyone knows it since E3.They even said which studio made the god damn !!movie!!.Sony keeps !!lying!! that it' s real and that' s just funny.
How can you believe all that crap - You should read more respected sites that tend to distinguish facts from fiction.

most of u are exagerating waaay too much

" And Fanboys can say " That' s bullshit mine works fine" well then that' s just yours and you were lucky.Never before has any company done anything quite like it - Doesn' t matter if it was Sega , Nintendo , MicroSoft -those systems are good systems they don' t just BREAK"

I agree with u that Gamecube is a solid console but man you screwed it up when u mentioned the X BOx as well. there are 3 models of the X BOx, the first two models have a shitty driver dvd, it' ll break after awhile and hat' s what happened to mine, my system doesn' t read anything anymore, checked out some forums for a solution and found out many people have the same problem. as for my playstation 2 which is moded (like my x box) well let me tell you it is very known that moded systems get there life reduced but anyway both systems have flaws in their Optical drives except for X box in the latest version...

For my X box i put it aside because first i can' t repair it and the only solution is to plug in a PC optical driver and secondly it' s not worth the 60$ since there no more interesting games at all

for my PS2, glad hat sony offers to sell Lens and so i just changed the dying one and all works fine.


Master Rampage you said " MGS2 and 3 both used the gameplay engine for their cut scenes but the cutscenes had boosted effects, higher poly counts, and plenty of other touch ups" you have no evidence and whiole i think you' re probably right but then i think that may be teh camera view is not close enough to see what you can see in the cut-scenes. if you had a look at the forum i want you to visit, snake look exactly the same in gameplay as in the cut scenes (at least for your plygons argument) ... so that' s what made me confused... anyway the game look good for a current gen... And rampage i think you' ve already played Halo 2, isn' t it the same thing for its cut scenes , graphics were " a lot" better than in Gameplay.


The most disapointing console i ever owned (and still own) is by any doubt " X box" ... Graphics are supposed to be " at least" 2 times PS2 (i' m just not really sure that it was 3 times accorfing to a graph that Microsoft published before its launch) , and after all i think Game cube has the most beautiful games at all, at least it wins just by picking up Resident Evil 4... i don' t see in any game what MS claimed years ago . what are the most impressive games in the X box ??

hmmm Dead or alive 3/ultimate does it look twice better than Tekken 5? hell no

hmmm Forza/ Gran turismo 4 well things get funny here...

The chronicles of Riddick was an impressive game to me

Ninja Gaiden ? i didn' t really like the graphics, the enviroment is so so and textures were low (but characters look outstanding) God of War on PS2 is awesome even if the quality is not as good as Ninja Gaiden' s but the overall game look absolutly more beautiful, i think it has to do with developers


here we have two conclusions that can be made: Either MS overhyped or PS2 was UNDERESTIMATED...

if X box was lacking on line i would dare say that X box is one of the worst systems ever created, I live in morocco and 95% are cracked (there is no officiel games in the market), i had the opportunity to play so many games in this current and previous Gen, on X box AAA titles are extremly rare i can count them with one hand... shame to MS


And let me repeat myself again, IF X box with that very low specs nowadays can run Far cry or dead or alive or whatever impressed you on that system, what would expect from X box 360 or PS3 which Specs are even more powerful than the most powerful Pc ?? i mean geeeez those are just consoles optimized for gaming i then expect Games like Killzone 2, Final Fantasy 7 demo tech, Gran turismo vision and Metal gear 4 or Gear of wars... Helloooooo THAT' s WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT from AAA titles!!

I have the old xbox version,and its use a dvd thompson,hans' t break down yet,got a few disc errors but not more,basically im fine with it.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

I have to agree about Gamecube - Metroid Prime , Wind Waker , Eternal Darkness , RE 1 , 0 Those games (doesn' t matter how made) are the most beautifull games of this generation.

I' ve never heard of xbox DVD flaws and there were 5 or 6 models not 3.
Anyway I don' t know about it but I have to admit that I don' t buy it - I' ve been through many forums (I modded my X as much as it can be modded) and never heard of it.

I don' t agree about Xbox graphics power - I have no doubts it outperforms PS2 in terms of hardware - but what you give examples for is DEVELOPERS TALENT and ARTISTIC APROACH that Xbox games (like PC games) lack.

Forza vs GT4? MAN have a one look at Rallisport Chellange 2 - the best looking racing game ever and one that is more fun than Sega Rally and collin together.
If you haven' t played RC2 for Xbox U' ve missed this generation - REALLY.


Doa 3 Vs TK5? those are huge arenas in DOA3 and very interactive plus they still look at least as good as TK5 (even though the art direction is very different)- no comparison.

Riddick? Check Doom 3 :)

NG had some awesome and some mediocre places so I can' t argue here.

Gangsta i didn' t say that tekken look better than DOA !! i just said that DOA doesn' t look twice more beautiful than tekken 5... say DOA 10/10 and tekken 5: 8/10

yes i missed rally sport challenge and that' s because i don' t like rally games but according to many pros, forza is the best looking racing game on x box, could the be wrong??

i forgot about doom 3 in x box but that' s because i get it only on pc but and yeah i agree doom 3 (xbox) looks better in terms of quality than reddick on (xbox)

We' re debating which console had the best graphics this generation now? You guys honestly think Metroid and RE had the best graphics?! RE4 was definately one of the best but Metroid definately wasn' t. Best graphics by far this generation= Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. Hands down. There is no arguement. It is simply the best graphics availible on any console to date. It actually rivals games that are coming out next gen.

Oh, and Abasoufiane, you' re completely right about the Halo2 cinematics thing. They looked better than gameplay even though it was ht in game engine. It' s easy to spiff up character models,enviroments and effects during a cut scene because no other code is really in use which greatly frees up system resources. That' s what Kanomi does in there games. MGS4 will definately be close to what they showed at TGS but my guess is it will be toned down when you are actually controlling Snake.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Best graphics this generation: Namco Museum Battle Collection!!

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

RE5 was definately one of the best but Metroid definately wasn' t.

Resident evil 4...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

My mistake...

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

I would have to say yes and no to the question.

No, because up until recently it was pretty far from what it was said to be able to do. But, none the less it made it I guess.

Yes, because it took a while to actually meet its claims.

If any console showed what could eventually be done then Im sure the choice of console would be a bit harder. I would much rather see what Im gonna be getting myself into at the start, rather then what I get to do in a few more years.

My opinion is just that opinion, I really have no facts behind what I just said, maybe Ill look later and revise it.

SC 3 is awesome and has incredible effects , sharp Textures and awesome lights ,but it didn' t look better than Metroid Prime .The world they created on Tallon IV was so real yet so unreal at the same time - like Chozo Ruins.I just like that kind of artistic aproach.

But yes it' s hard to argue that when it comes to Effects and stuff SC3 is closer to next generation then this one and I totally understand when you say it' s the prettiest game - it' s just not what I think.

About RE4 - I don' t know if you played the game long enough, but it was cool at the begining and then the quality dropped a bit - and it was clear that PS2 can handle it at that point.

I don' t care how it works if it' s fresh and gorgeus (Metroid,Viewtiful Joe,Wind Waker,F-zero).
Style over " quantity" for me.

Forza is no match Graphically - RC2 - have a rent or something and you will like Rally games and it' s in 60fps :). - Really man just try it to see how good a game can look.

And YES you don' t have to take press comments that serious.I think GT4 surpasses Forza in a few levels.

Tekken Vs Doa? The difference between 10 and 8 is huge - it' s not like you' ll have tekken 5 graphics and real , lifelike people in Doa - It' s not that big of a difference in hardware.The difference is 4 times bigger arenas , clean look (FULL SCENE antialiasing) , sharp textures , lightning technique and other touches that make you go " 10/10"

But It is true that the last gen of PS2 games is really a big step forward over previous graphics for the system (DMC3,T5,GoW).It' s amazing at some point (GoW).
Still if you want me to buy PS3 for the power - make sure I get that " power" sooner than 5 years from launch - cuz you know that Xbox is going to be there kicking ass since day one.

And Rev might even have a better looking games than Sony' s baby for the first year.

I guess this is more of an attack from beyond the grave then anything else.
When the ps2 was in development to dethrone the dreamcast, there were little white lies of promised power, or in dreamcast standards unachievable power.
But like i said all along, and some people are starting to realize, hardware can be pimped for all the merits it doesn' t have, because the software can hide all it' s faults.
So, imagine what the dreamcast would be doing right now if sega were still in hardware?

Yeah Shenmue ,F355 and so many others just ruled back then - when I got a PS2 I felt like it' s a step backward - but since MGS2 I kinda realised it' s not all crap :)
I wonder which one really is more powerfull.I know DC had more Ram , but that might have been his only advantage.

you think DC can run games like God of war? Metal gear 3?? Gran turismo 4?? resident evil 4?? ...

I wonder which one really is more powerfull

that question is really silly from you Gangsta