Sony Calls DS ' Gimmick'

Haha this is funny. First Sony says that the PSP is the competion to the DS and when it kicked it' s butt it says it' s the competition for the GBA and that week in japan the GBA sold more then PSPs (i' ll show you the hardware numbers to prove it). Now Sony is saying that the DS is not competition for the PSP. here is the quote

VP of studios Phil Harrison said this:
" With the DS, it' s fair to say that Nintendo stepped out of the technical race and went for a feature differentiation with the touch screen," Harrison says. " But I fear that it won' t have a lasting impact beyond that of a gimmick - so the long-lasting appeal of the platform is at peril as a direct result of that."

When it comes to discussing target audiences, it becomes painfully obvious why Harrison doesn' t believe Nintendo is competition. " Nintendo knows its target audience, because it has really narrowed that down; and it' s pretty much defined by a boy or girl' s ability to admire Pokemon," he says.

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Does Sony make it a hobby to hire loud mouth cocky people? Like someone said being #1 for this long has certainly inflated their ego way too much.

Hm...Sony also sued some internet sites spreading the PSP to europe,just because they dont want to lose some people on the paper even if they get the psp and buy games they want to count the number of sold psp into europe later to battle nintendo on some paper.

I dislike that quite much.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

Yeah i also sent Lik-Sang an email saying that it was wrong fo Sony to do that and why is it ok to import them here but not there and why now? Importing has been around since the beginning. THey emailed me back saying thanks for your support and that i made good points hehe.

Sony needs to have some sense knocked into them and spend some time in last place to humble them up some they really need it.

I am not trying to sound like a fanboy. Just they are annoying.

They doesnt care if they sell more PSP then DS,they only care if they sold more PSP on the paper and not about how much money they make or on how the consumers feel,they behaving like kids...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

The mud slinging between companies is starting to get old.

well it' s all sony i haven' t heard one thing Nintendo has said that was mean or like bashing to anyone. Before the DS came out they said that it wasn' t supposed to be competition because it' s totally different but then Sony is the one who said it was and now they are taking it back because they are getting their butts kicked hehe. Nintendo has outlasted lots of game machines and handhelds and even companies. I don' t see them going anywhere they had their time at the top and bottom now it' s time to go back up.

word of advice to Sony when you are at the top there is only one way to go. DOWN the law of gravity

Since Nintendo has been at the bottom the only way to go is up

Yes i am a fan of Nintendo because they have been around for 20 years and made tons of fun games they were the ones who rescued the video games industry in the 80' s when it was crashing down. Plus they make good durable hardware that lasts. THey also keep the game industry new and fresh with their new ideas.

well it' s all sony i haven' t heard one thing Nintendo

Nintendo has spewed enough crap over the past couple years also.

like what?

I' m way too lazy to find exact quotes, just let it be known I' ve been incredibly disgusted with some of the things Nintendo has said.

weird i don' t remember saying anything unless they were provoked and responded in defense.

Go read the latest article about Nintendo putting down Sony and MS on the front page of Kikizo.

Still, Sony needs to shut thiers mouths. It' s all because they are scared. they are blabbing all about the PS3 as the second coming of Christ because they see the 360 as serious competition to their number one spot. I don' t think MS will come out #1, but they are still gonna loose a lot of people to them this time around. With the PSP, the Japanese are already starting to hate the thing. They just want their handheld to play games. they could care less about it' s ability to go on google. They don' t like the PSP because it doesn' t have any good games and their really aren' t any good games coming in the near future. The PSP bombed and Sony feels the need to talk it up in the hope that people will fall for thier bluff...

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

None of the companies are better then the others,i already wrote that i feel abit betrayed about what MS delivered with 360.
And sony has promised alot and have a hard time keeping it,great PR stradegy but bad for us gamers.
Nintendo for ex showed last e3,how they sold more copies of their console then xbox,which was untrue seeing how xbox had sold more then,then now they never talked about the failure of GC sales,instead they talked about how GBA sold even more as much as Ps2...and was fighting vs ps2,just because they sold equal...
I thought GC was the competetioner to ps2,not GBA.

Companies involved with billions of money will twist and turn info as much as they can to make the fans feel safe and lured.
We know gameboy sold 100 million ex but why do a gameboy micro?
people laughed at e3,even the hardcore nintendo fans,they thought as i did that it was a joke,untill that guy started to talk like it was the real deal and they got very happy suddenly and thought it looked bad ass...

Also nintendo still claim cartridge was the best choice for N64,and that dvd was a bad move by this gen,they cant admit their faults,thats what i dislike about NIntendo,they can never say:hey look we made wrong this gen but now we gonna fix that and that" they still might not include DVD next gen,then we might see games that takes 5 gb on their console at max...
And their 3rdparties are leaving them,because of their bad timing with their games that outsource the others games they scare people away from their console.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

well technically the gamecube did sell more then the xbox worldwide. I wouldn' t doubt if the GBA sold more then the PS2. It' s a haldheld and those are sell more then consoles.

Nintendo has already annocied that they wil use DVD' s plus Nintendo has some of the best comrpession technology in the world. To them DVD is plenty of space. Plus DVDs are cheap to produce so i think that wa sa smart move to keep games costs down.

Yes by like 300.000 copies,xbox had come very close at that time,and sold a lot faster and was gaining on them,it was just like 1 month more or two before xbox would go over GC,and they did.
Xbox has sold more then GC now.
But remember you write that Sony was gonna fight NDS but then changed to GBA?
Well if GC was to fight off ps2 but coulndn' t, then suddenly talks like GBA is the counter vs ps2 then they do the same thing.

They doesnt wanna share numbers of GC,but they can with portables because they do well.
But then again just pokémon alone could sell off next portable machine for Nintendo.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

the Xbox is a way distant third in Japan and the rest of the world. The only place the xbox did good was in the US and i think decent in UK but world wide the gamecube did MUCH better. The xbox did not even sell half million in Japan.

Actually your wrong, xbox sold better worldwide especially in USA,and it sold " ok" in europe.
Remember this is number from may,and not from australia/eastern europe and some asia countries like KOREA but xbox sold better,my brother gaved me a pic + info before about that in june.

Anyway here is his pic from may...
Also here we can see that GBA sold as much as Ps2.
But we doesnt see sales from korea and china for ex.



What xbox lost in japan it took back in the states.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

interesting. although it' s funny how the PS1 sold better then the PS2 i did not know that. It' s also funny that the old GBA sold more then the SP and now they are releasing the micro which is basically the samr thing just more compact. I guess the reason for it is because people love their small cell phone and playing games on it so Nitnendo saw that as a challenge to jump on that bandwagon to make more money :-p i just hope we get the play-yan that is being bundled with it in japan. i' d buy it just for the play-yan then my ds will also play MP3' s and movie files just like the PSP. Plus to keep up my collection i have every incarnation of the gameboy so might as well keep up my collection

,and not from australia/eastern europe and some asia countries like KOREA

The Xbox did well in Australia too. It' s performance mirrored that of America. Just on a smaller scale

Well, this " gimmick" is beating Sony' s ass with a bat.... a wise-crack won' t sell more PSP' s, especially in Japan, where the love for Sony' s handheld is dwindling like leaves in autumn.


And Phoenixxx, Xbox has been, and is at the moment, owning the gamecube. Technical or not, Xbox is kicking GCN' s butt like there' s no tomorrow.

" Nintendo' s an innovator,
Sony' s an imitator."

Yet, for some reason, it' s Sony that gets all the credit.

Phil Harrison has a bad habit of shoving his foot deep down his own throat. This isn' t the first time he' s said something stupid and it won' t be the last.. I remember either he OR an EA official once saying: " If the Dreamcast sells one million units, I' ll eat my shorts." Sadly he never honored that after the Dreamcast smashed through the one-million mark several weeks after launch.

Last I read, the Xbox sold around 21-22 million units worldwide whereas the GameCube sold around 18-19 million units worldwide.

I still find it a little amazing how Japan seems to have absolutely NO love for the Xbox, thank goodness in a situation kind of similar to that of the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive, the Xbox may be floundering in Japan but is doing well elsewhere.. The Genesis/Mega Drive got its ass kicked good and hard in Japan by the PC Engine and Super Famicom but did more than well enough in the U.S. and Europe to help carry the slack for Japan.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

It' s all cause Sega started as an american company. they just hate us trying to sell our stuff over there

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

The only two reasons that X-Box did not sell well in Japan...It' s not Nintendo or Sony. Simple as. Hence the reason it has done well in America and Europe and other territories. Maybe Japan is a little too, for want of a better word, " Up-Themselves" when it comes to entertainment products. They like home grown stuff and dislike anyone else treading on their patch.

Nah...
I seen a lot of post' s where people claim japanese people are racist and thats why they doesnt buy xbox.
But i think its about ps2+gc had more games that suited them,also they rather have the nr1 console for them in their own homeland,for the fastest releases and treats, then by be treated as a 2nd/3rd market by usa.

I mean...just look at the top most-wanted games by famitsu,or the games that sells in japan,a lot of those top sellers is games we(Europe) here wouldn' t even poke with a stick on.
Just look at Lost odyssey and Blue dragon,when i ask people which do you prefer? Almost every friend i got here in sweden/europe says the same " lost odyssey ofc"
so does i,but in the top20 most wanted games list by famitsu its not even on the list but Blue dragon is like on the 14th place now.
However if thats has to do with that its the same people behind chrono trigger and that Akira who done the art for:Dragon quest8 and dragonballz doing it for blue dragon with FF creator " sakaguchi" is not something i can say for sure.

Anyway does that make us having better taste,that we like a more serious rpg with FF look then a cartoon style liked game with big inspiration from japense manga and fantasy?! ofc not,its just about diffrent tastes,and xbox didn' t deliver games that suited japan market.
Was it MS fault? or the developers in japan that did not take a chance?!
That is something i dont know,but it seems to be worked out now with xbox360,ofc i still belive ps3 will win big over xbox360,but i think we might see;3-8 millions xbox360 there now.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

If the Xbox had Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games in Japan then it would have sold well no doubt, so it wouldn' t need to be either Nintendo or Sony.

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

The question is then,how easy/hard will it be to make those games multiformat?
We already heard Wada said its possible that he make them multiformat for 2 or more next gen console' s and no diss for Nintendo...but if they dont go DVD i doubt they can fit the game FF13 for their console.


" EDIT" i forgot to add that Terry is right about those titles and how they can convince people to leave their old station(as with nintendo),quite simple they sold psx alone.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

they are already going DVD they confirmed that at E3. Plus they mention a dual layer which can hold upto 9gigs and with Nintendo' s compression utility (which cis some of the best in the world) that is ALOT of space, look what they put on the small N64, GC, and DS' little cards capacities.

they are already going DVD they confirmed that at E3.

Nice.

Plus they mention a dual layer which can hold upto 9gigs

Yeah thats how xbox will do too,9gb sounds more then enough.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

You can say that MS sold a bit more consoles than Nintendo , but u need to realise that it' s not that hard to " sell" something cheaper than it' s worth.And Xbox was way cheaper than it cost MS to produce.

GameCube on the other hand was a very profitable system and much closer to Xbox power than to PS2' s.

Nintendo saing bad things about competitors? Is it " mean" for them to say that it' s hard to sell " sequel" to something that was totally unpopular?

I find Nintendo to be the most " fairplay" company in the industry.
They' re not perfect (to few games, no online and obvious lack of space resulting in heavy compressed movies) -but when they talked about GCN they said it woul push around 10 MLN polygons in game enviroment , while Sony and MS gave all sorts of technical numbers.
Now it' s clear that PS2 is nowhere near the performance of GCN and it was a fact for most that it would be the other way around.

DS Vs PSP? well I own a Pure White NDS (I luv it) and I can' t imagine a portable system with 3-4 h battery life or mediocre controller - like the PSP' s analog " stick" .
What' s more I found great innovation in Yoshi' s Touch and GO - mostly because I didn' t expect it to last 60h - I luv it just the way I luv Crazy Taxi for the DC.

METEOS is another story :) it rox!

And I still play FF Tactics and Super MArio Bros 3 on it yeah ! :)

I dissagre and agree with you Gangsta,Ms lost money on every sold console which could consider as a failure,but i agree with MS and the others.
The reason for it was to get in to the buisness they had to do something to get the attention from gamers,but at the same time GC sells almost as little as a xbox game today in sweden.
In fact i seen GC being sold in stores for less,and they started their extrem low price drop before xbox started it,and after it was known xbox went with lose for every machine.
It seemed Nintendo wanted really to sell out their GC or...the stores feelt like they did not want the machines at them anymore...atleast here in sweden it was so.
I bought my gc+mario for ca ~ 180 euro,then gc wasn' t so damn cheap though.
But the price was very nice indeed.

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

That' s true - GCN is not selling well , and there aren' t many games for it to be released.But with Nintendo systems it' s different.N64 wasn' t juz selling at fixed rate - Zelda sold more than 1mln systems and so on.Same is seen here - new zelda will sell lots and lots of Cubes - and as we all know it' s software that gives profit not hardware.For know GCN Vs Xbox sales are pretty comparable in overall.
Zelda might clarify the winner.

But the most important thing is that ever since N64 Big N is fighting for the second spot next to your primary system (I' d love for them to be be No 1) and that' s quite smart and dumb at the same time :)

While Xbox Vs PS2 is a decision most people make , getting a GC (which is very cheap and has some of the best games made this generation) as second system seems to be a perfect solution.

It' s X360 that I think will heavily outperform Revolution sales , because Xbox has become a very respected brand.
Still Revolution will sell great and bring lots of paper to our old good Nintendo and gamers will be able to get it next to their X360 or PS3 thanks to lower price.

There' s a need for someone like N to exist - we need their innovations - u might say eye toy is an innovation but does it affect everything u' ve known so far ? like analog stick? or Rumble pack?

I wish the Big N all the best and hope for awesome games on each platform since sooner or later I' m gonna get them all :)

ORIGINAL: ]GaNgStA[
.For know GCN Vs Xbox sales are pretty comparable in overall.
Zelda might clarify the winner.

No, because that' s not fair to MS. By the time Zelda comes out for the GC the 360 will be on th market. Once the 360 is on the market there is no longer a reason to buy the Xbox. Basically once the 360 comes out you can' t compare how many consoles were sold because the rival console is out of the loop. MS won this generation against Nintendo. When the 360 comes out we' ve hit next gen and the cycle starts over again.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

Plus isn' t Microsoft halting manufacturing of the Xbox console around the time the 360 hits?

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

Remember that Perfect dark+Kameo was moved from xbox to xbox360...

Even if you break 2 legs from a crab it still runs!
What you gotta do is find its weak spot and do massive damage at it.

ORIGINAL: Terry Bogard

Plus isn' t Microsoft halting manufacturing of the Xbox console around the time the 360 hits?

I believe so.

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "

MS has achieved one thing - build an Xbox brand - it didn' t sell those consoles it almost gave them away loosing lots of bucks.That is not what winners do.Winners are the one who get to sell lots of consoles and be profitable I think.

It will change with 360 I think ,but for now if they (MS) keep " wining" like that they won' t be able to stay in the industry.Especially since there' s a huge competitor in the windows area emerging.

i miss Sega... =(

ORIGINAL: Saohesc

i miss Sega... =(

LOL!

Yeah, I think we all miss the OLD rivalry.

Yeah, I think we all miss the OLD rivalry.

Which one?
Sega of Japan VS. Sega of America?
OR
Sega vs. Nintendo?

Terry Bogard - currently the most Unhelpful member of the Kikizo forums.

ORIGINAL: Terry Bogard

Yeah, I think we all miss the OLD rivalry.

Which one?
Sega of Japan VS. Sega of America?
OR
Sega vs. Nintendo?

Neither of those, silly! I' m speaking of 3DO vs. Jaguar of course!

F that, Atari vs. Poverty and World Hunger!!!

XBL Gamertag: Rampage99

" Basically, pollute the air all you want, your just speeding up the inevitable. Our future generations are f*cked as it is and there' s really nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day "