You aren' t right but if you keep telling yourself that you may believe it. Oh too late. You already believe it.

Gameplay is important, yes, but it isn' t everything.

When did I say it was everything? I distinctly remember saying that graphics matter greatly. What you' re trying to tell me is that graphics are equally important as gameplay, which is not an opinion, it' s INCORRECT. The INTERACTIVE part is the core of the entertainment. You may or may not accept this. When games become more than half non-interactive, then what you' re saying will make sense. Until then...

Stop this nonsense! ;-)

Race Driver 2 looks utterly ace, that was the gist of my recent hands-on... and while I think it' s great to play too, whether or not the gameplay compares with de facto racers like GT4 (defacto-to-be, at least) I' ll leave for people who know the genre better to decide!

Of course gameplay f**g counts, of course other elements are important too! However if I were a marketeer for certain mainstream-centric publishers then yes I would argue that graphics are MORE IMPORTANT - because " our sales are driven foremost by visual/license appeal" . Of course, that' s a " horrible, evil" world we don' t want to think about, so we' ll stay true and argue it' s all about gameplay - but never shut out somebody who argues the importace of non-gameplay elements in a game, you never know where they might be coming from...

To me graphics don' t mean squat..I can play the crappiest LOOKING game that has awesome gameplay and have a much better time than with an awesome looking game with average-above average gameplay.

I still play Sega Master System games till this day.


For me, the most important parts of games are GAMEPLAY and MUSIC :D

Actually, I hate to disagree, but hear in the States, we all played Pokemon so we could beat eachother, and now that we look back on it, it wasn' t fun. Sure, winning was, but the game wasn' t. But Tetris crap? You' re goin to hell for that one. lol. Tetris has crap graphics and sound, but it is FUN. That is what makes a game NOT CRAP.

I agree with all of what the previous 3 posters said.

Therefore you just agreed with me lol

Anyway, I personally think Tetris is crap in every aspect. The only reason I play it anymore is because I' m bored in math class and I need something to pass the time. This is not the type of game you play all not long craving the next level like you would in Halo, or seeing the next big plot twist in a game like FFX. I mean come on. The game can be addicting but the pedistal you are putting it on to prove your point is far to high.

Your problem is that you started gaming too late in the revolution. You' re too young to understand the impact Tetris had on us chillins when it first came out. Same goes for games like Pong, and much later, Mario Bros. You call them crap, and it' s an insult to all of us who thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Notice that immortal said Tetris is NOT crap, and that everyone is saying that gameplay is most essential. It is, and always will be.

He said Pokemon was crap. Btw, Mario was my first game and I will always love it. I bought the Mario Bros. Delux edition for the GB just so I could play it again. That was an amazing game. I will always consider one of the greatest games of all time just because it is what started gaming. It is crap in both gameplay and graphics but it is still addicting. I' m agreeing that these games are great and I will say Mario had some excellent gameplay but the other two didn' t. They are all still great games though. Pong and Tetris for their addiction factor and Mario for the all around package. I might be younger than you guys but I can still appreciate older games. I' m 18 and I' m going into a specialized college for making video games. It' s not as if I don' t know anything about games. You can have your opinion but you don' t need to force it on me.

I' m not forcing anything, I' m trying to understand your viewpoint. One second you say the game is crap, the next you say that only certain elements are crap, but it' s addictive...but it' s still crap. But it' s not, it' s addictive. But it' s crap.

You' re bouncing back and forth so much, I don' t know WHAT to believe.

I' m saying all the elements of Tetris are crap oaky. But still people think it' s a great game. It' s simply addicting. The reason I play it is to pass time. It' s a good game for passing time.

Over all I agree gameplay is important. It' s very important, I' m just saying it' s not necassary for it to be immensely great for a game to be immensely great because there are other areas for a game to fall back on.

I have said I' m in the middle ground. I want it all for it to be considered a great game imo. A game can' t just have unbelievible gameplay for it to be a AAA title. If Halo was full of stick figures and and a green surface for the ground and a pitch blue sky I' ll straight out tell you I probably wouldn' t like the game. Graphics are important because they are initially what draw you in and often what keeps you hooked through the immersion factor. Many people complain when graphics become inconsistant it rips them out of the world the game is trying to put you in. I think the most important part of the game is the immersion factor. If I can' t get into the game and feel like I' m a part of it, well... stick a fork in it. I' m all about the atmosphere which is a combination of the graphics gameplay and sound.

Okay, I' ll make this really simple:

You will never " pass time" with a game that has terrible gameplay and wonderful graphics. And if you do, you' re not touching the controller. If the control is horrible, you won' t play it. If the graphics are horrible, you MIGHT play it...so long as the gameplay is great. The same could never be said of the opposite.

If your interaction with whatever is on screen is crucially flawed, there is absolutely nothing that the graphics can do to make the game playable. You talk about " immersion." You won' t be immersed in ANYTHING if you don' t have fun playing it. The environment only adds to the entertainment; it can' t CREATE entertainment on its own.

In your opinion. Your opinion isn' t always fact. You can become immersed in a movie and have no interaction. I see your point but you' re missing mine.

Heres a racing game I' m keeping my eye on simply because of the physics this company has developed. I love games that run on the lines of Burnout and stuff.

Neways the game' s called Flat Out, heres the link to there site.
http://www.bugbear.fi/flatout.htm

sorry from straying from the origional topic...

Damn, that' s a good looking game! What' s it being developed for?

PC Xbox and PS2

Nice.

In your opinion. Your opinion isn' t always fact. You can become immersed in a movie and have no interaction. I see your point but you' re missing mine.

You just proved my point, Rampage. GAMES ARE NOT MOVIES. Movies are non-interactive entertainment; games are INTERACTIVE entertainment. There is no getting " immersed" in a game with terrible gameplay...unless you can name me ONE time when you did?

This is NOT opinion. There' s nothing subjective about this. It' s just logic. If an entertainment venue is interactive, the interactive part IS the entertainment. There is no arguing that, by DEFINITION.

I already gave games that had crappy gameplay, namely falldown. You are giving your opinion, not fact. I' m not even going to bother posting bck to you because you can' t get past your ego. There people that consider graphics more important than gameplay which disporves you. As long as there are people like that you are wrong. If graphics make it fun for them, then it' s fun. You may hold the gameplay in the highest regard but not everyone does.

As long as people think that graphics are more important than gameplay (which apparently includes you), that " disproves" something?

So, if some people think that African-Americans are slower-witted than Caucasians, that disproves the scientific fact that they' re equal?

If some people think that the world is flat, it' s their opinion? Not everything is opinion, buddy. Not everything is a grey area. When something is a form of entertainment based on interaction, its simply not possible for a non-interactive aspect to be the most important. You said it yourself, with the movie distinction. That was perfect for " disproving" yourself.